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BrenCasts: "Chamber meta was good for the game"
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BayArea [#6]in what way was the chamber meta good for the game
he says it raised the requirement for how players had to think about the game and play around the map, with such an oppressive agent ppl basically had to be more careful and deliberate about their actions bc if they took a stupid peek or pushed ahead of their util they would be punished way harder than they are now
V0sotros [#7]he says it raised the requirement for how players had to think about the game and play around the map, with such an oppressive agent ppl basically had to be more careful and deliberate about their actions bc if they took a stupid peek or pushed ahead of their util they would be punished way harder than they are now
Goes both ways tbh. He's too OP that it's boring to watch him dominate but at the same time it's fun because of the fun comps that are being played to counter Chamber.
Simp4S0m [#8]Goes both ways tbh. He's too OP that it's boring to watch him dominate but at the same time it's fun because of the fun comps that are being played to counter Chamber.
watching two good chamber players go against each other was incredible, but seeing a team with a good chamber and another with a bad chamber was pretty awful to watch
V0sotros [#10]watching two good chamber players go against each other was incredible, but seeing a team with a good chamber and another with a bad chamber was pretty awful to watch
Watching Yay's Chamber was fun asf ngl
Simp4S0m [#9]Sliggy did say Chamber is still the best agent in the game in his opinion. Chamber meta back in champs?
saying best in the game is pretty far, especially with how versatile skye is and how good jett is on both rifle and awp
V0sotros [#7]he says it raised the requirement for how players had to think about the game and play around the map, with such an oppressive agent ppl basically had to be more careful and deliberate about their actions bc if they took a stupid peek or pushed ahead of their util they would be punished way harder than they are now
the same could be said for the astra meta
BayArea [#13]the same could be said for the astra meta
rarely a good take by gamr... but he's actually correct here. The same explanation can be provided to any overpowered agent meta, it'll force teams/players to be more careful in certain situations in order to counter whatever that overpowered ability is and think of new ways to tactically approach the game. (astra viper post plant meta is indeed a good example)
I understand what Bren is trying to say there, but it's kind of a stupid take by him.
V0sotros [#12]saying best in the game is pretty far, especially with how versatile skye is and how good jett is on both rifle and awp
your forgetting kj bud
zidmz [#17]i went from bronze to plat during chamber meta. i didnt learn anything. my game sense and rifle aim stayed stagnant. once chamber was nerfed, it took me months to figure out how to actually play the game.
they're pretty obviously talking about the top tier of play not our mid level ranked lobbies bro
JJfriends [#16]your forgetting kj bud
kj isn't overpowered, and neither is skye. they just happen to be the only possible choices in a meta where other sentinels are extremely weak and no other initiator can both flash and get info
BayArea [#21]kj isn't overpowered, and neither is skye. they just happen to be the only possible choices in a meta where other sentinels are extremely weak and no other initiator can both flash and get info
overpowered doesn't necessarily have to mean best in the game.
Skye's versatility with her ability to get both info and flash as well as use her dog to clear sites and extremities, and her ult to clear out entire areas of the map or confirm where a hit is going or if a fake is happening makes her a top 3 minimum agent in the game.
KJ's pure stopping power with her alarmbot/molly combos to essentially stop any non-dive agent from hitting a site and splitting the push in two as well as her ability to get passive info with her alarmbot and turret as well as the retake potential with her ult makes her the top tier sentinel, no other senti can stop a push like she can
Jett's dash ability for entry and fast disengages makes it one of the best abilities in the game, and her smokes make non-dash disengages easy, as well as allowing her to live on site for longer on entries. Combine this with the maneuverability with the updraft and the eco round potential of her ult makes her the best duelist.
None of those three are overpowered per se but they are clearly the best in their class, the only agents where there isn't a clear #1 is controller
Netero [#25]We won't be watching if chamber meta comes back 🥱🛌 It's literally impossible to miss with headhunter or tour de force
so true mister netero, i really agree with your opinion
he is technically right since the comps got stale during chamber meta leading to teams playing the game more like counter strike since everyone knows each other's strats. so teams became better at dealing with AWPs and angle holders which they couldnt if chamber wasnt abused. But it wasnt good for the game, the views were going down and interest in pro scene was slightly declining. A good indicator is the amount of interest in LOCKIN// & the comps in it, masters tokyo, even challengers (which most franchised coaches are watch partying) for new ideas. This is all due to the chamber nerf. I also like that they buffed slightly to make him more viable.
V0sotros [#27]overpowered doesn't necessarily have to mean best in the game.
Skye's versatility with her ability to get both info and flash as well as use her dog to clear sites and extremities, and her ult to clear out entire areas of the map or confirm where a hit is going or if a fake is happening makes her a top 3 minimum agent in the game.
KJ's pure stopping power with her alarmbot/molly combos to essentially stop any non-dive agent from hitting a site and splitting the push in two as well as her ability to get passive info with her alarmbot and turret as well as the retake potential with her ult makes her the top tier sentinel, no other senti can stop a push like she can
Jett's dash ability for entry and fast disengages makes it one of the best abilities in the game, and her smokes make non-dash disengages easy, as well as allowing her to live on site for longer on entries. Combine this with the maneuverability with the updraft and the eco round potential of her ult makes her the best duelist.
None of those three are overpowered per se but they are clearly the best in their class, the only agents where there isn't a clear #1 is controller
I’d argue viper is that controller. Simply because no other controller can smoke and set up like a controller as well. She’s very good on bind, lotus, Pearl, icebox, and breeze. She’s also usable on split and fracture. Running her with another smoke to compliment is too good and she’s the only controller that can do that
Netero [#25]We won't be watching if chamber meta comes back 🥱🛌 It's literally impossible to miss with headhunter or tour de force
netero with the extremely common W
crashhacker1 [#29]he is technically right since the comps got stale during chamber meta leading to teams playing the game more like counter strike since everyone knows each other's strats. so teams became better at dealing with AWPs and angle holders which they couldnt if chamber wasnt abused. But it wasnt good for the game, the views were going down and interest in pro scene was slightly declining. A good indicator is the amount of interest in LOCKIN// & the comps in it, masters tokyo, even challengers (which most franchised coaches are watch partying) for new ideas. This is all due to the chamber nerf. I also like that they buffed slightly to make him more viable.
I don't think it's necessarily true that the chamber meta was what caused lower interest in VCT, through the 3 years we've had so far of international play, the peak viewership was achieved in Champions 2022 GF, and Champions 2022 also had the highest average viewership, which was when the chamber meta was slightly falling but still high with 67%. Copenhagen 2022 had the lowest average and peak viewership, but a dip in viewership is consistent with the other years, where the 2nd tournament (Berlin 2021, Copenhagen 2022, and Tokyo 2023) had lower viewership numbers than the others. Reykjavik 2022 did haver fewer viewers than Reykjavik 2021, but that's an unfair comparison imo; Reykjavik 2021 was the first time that valorant had an international tournament, and the novelty of this probably inflated the numbers. I also believe a similar thing to Lock/In, the novelty of the format as well as the idea that EVERY partnered team was at this event, including the fact that this was the first event of the franchising era probably inflated the hype much more than it would have if it was a normal tournament.
chimpy [#30]I’d argue viper is that controller. Simply because no other controller can smoke and set up like a controller as well. She’s very good on bind, lotus, Pearl, icebox, and breeze. She’s also usable on split and fracture. Running her with another smoke to compliment is too good and she’s the only controller that can do that
idk if viper is by far the best agent bc it's tough to run her by herself. you can run solo KJ, solo Jett, or solo Skye and still be equally as effective as a double senti, double dive, or double initiator comp, but solo Viper is very difficult due to how rigid her setups have to be. On CT side it's not as bad, her walls covers so much space and she still has the orb that the need to setup these things isn't terrible, but on T side it's an absolute nightmare to go solo viper. You have to preset her wall, and when you throw her wall then you are almost telegraphing exactly which site you are going to try to end and you have little flexibility in terms of fakes or if you want to dynamically take map control off a midround call. When you place her wall, you are putting all your chips on the table and there's very little you can do to back out of it.
brobeans [#32]fun to watch. sick chamber plays and teams learned how to use flashes to clear angles
doesn't hold up in ranked tho
in ranked there's always going to be broken agents, reyna is one of the best ranked agents but is pretty awful in pro play, it's just what happens bc of the lack of coordination and communication in ranked games
He's not entirely wrong.
The amount of teams unable to play this meta well is shocking, it's honestly a shame because it is a pretty diverse meta.
Chamber for me felt like playing chess with just the queen + king + pawns, it allowed teams to simplify the game down a little bit more.
There's more individuality in this meta but also the game has progressed and people are approaching the game in more ways.
Simp4S0m [#37]Oh so he not that dude that went 0-16?
don't forget that one guy who made an alt called ''owen16'' 💀
V0sotros [#35]in ranked there's always going to be broken agents, reyna is one of the best ranked agents but is pretty awful in pro play, it's just what happens bc of the lack of coordination and communication in ranked games
awping is op in ranked
capital_d_colon [#38]He's not entirely wrong.
The amount of teams unable to play this meta well is shocking, it's honestly a shame because it is a pretty diverse meta.Chamber for me felt like playing chess with just the queen + king + pawns, it allowed teams to simplify the game down a little bit more.
There's more individuality in this meta but also the game has progressed and people are approaching the game in more ways.
more teams can play this meta it's just that some chambers forgot how to entry and lost their role on a team
honestly feel like valorant as a whole besides for fnatic is super level atm could see teams like T1 upsetting the huge favorites besides FNC at champs
chamber = whoever wins a first duel wins unless you're prx
cboomer [#44]more teams can play this meta it's just that some chambers forgot how to entry and lost their role on a team
honestly feel like valorant as a whole besides for fnatic is super level atm could see teams like T1 upsetting the huge favorites besides FNC at champs
chamber = whoever wins a first duel wins unless you're prx
It might feel more visible because of the vct league format but there are some teams that generally struggle.
Some of these lcq games are generally a chore to watch.
A lot of the games are won based on making less mistakes than the opponent instead of outplays.
Chamber i agree was pretty boring though, especially with how long he dominated for.
V0sotros [#7]he says it raised the requirement for how players had to think about the game and play around the map, with such an oppressive agent ppl basically had to be more careful and deliberate about their actions bc if they took a stupid peek or pushed ahead of their util they would be punished way harder than they are now
that's a great argument tbh, though i still prefer it without the broken chamber
RedditGGGB [#48]Probably one of the most stupid takes from plat chat
plat players what do you expect 🗿
koromast [#24]only mfers who enjoyed chamber meta were chamber players, everyone else were screaming out of their lungs to remove that from the game
lmao
capital_d_colon [#38]He's not entirely wrong.
The amount of teams unable to play this meta well is shocking, it's honestly a shame because it is a pretty diverse meta.Chamber for me felt like playing chess with just the queen + king + pawns, it allowed teams to simplify the game down a little bit more.
There's more individuality in this meta but also the game has progressed and people are approaching the game in more ways.
True but when I watch old vods, it's so stupid how Chamber can just get away in a lot of situations. He peek from the most unexpected spot, get on with the op and get out. Kinda stupid tbh
Simp4S0m [#51]True but when I watch old vods, it's so stupid how Chamber can just get away in a lot of situations. He peek from the most unexpected spot, get on with the op and get out. Kinda stupid tbh
agreed.
chamber was ridiculously punishing and almost unpunishable.
He was literally the queen on the chessboard.
dayyaan1 [#52]for pro play it was honestly the most fun to watch but ahving to deal with a good chamber was so annoying in ranked
just peek him and 1 tap 🗿
V0sotros [#33]I don't think it's necessarily true that the chamber meta was what caused lower interest in VCT, through the 3 years we've had so far of international play, the peak viewership was achieved in Champions 2022 GF, and Champions 2022 also had the highest average viewership, which was when the chamber meta was slightly falling but still high with 67%. Copenhagen 2022 had the lowest average and peak viewership, but a dip in viewership is consistent with the other years, where the 2nd tournament (Berlin 2021, Copenhagen 2022, and Tokyo 2023) had lower viewership numbers than the others. Reykjavik 2022 did haver fewer viewers than Reykjavik 2021, but that's an unfair comparison imo; Reykjavik 2021 was the first time that valorant had an international tournament, and the novelty of this probably inflated the numbers. I also believe a similar thing to Lock/In, the novelty of the format as well as the idea that EVERY partnered team was at this event, including the fact that this was the first event of the franchising era probably inflated the hype much more than it would have if it was a normal tournament.
I agree, maybe the player count avg pre and post nerf could give us better statistics but I think the nerf was healthy to the game overall. Similar to the A41S nerf in CS, that was the big one which brought back a lot of players to CS and it made the tournament viewers after the nerf a bit higher than avg. It was a good change imo.
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