why are people saying they dont want any changes to the roster? this roster as it is is just horrid. there are no callers and the roles are not good at all. marved tried to igl but he just is not a great caller. their attack halves were always shit. besides that one bind game against 100T. also, why would they ever get rid of sacy and pancada? they have contracts until 2024. ive even seen some people call pancada shit which is crazy. he was frying on cypher and viper every time he would play one of them. idk. johnqt is a 100% need to pick up. and tenz needs to stop playing duelist altogether. he just isnt that good at it unless hes playing yoru. so maybe put tenz on content creation and pick up nismo or just keep him on secondary initiator. his kayo isnt even that bad. but either way, marved is probably leaving. his contract ends this year anyway.
i dont understand sen fans (possible allat)
Bonkbonk201 [#3]i mean if u never let a roster become good and mould then yeah shocker the roster will always be trash
they had 2 months to do something but they had like 1 strat on attack. marved just isnt a great caller man. not only that, but they need a dedicated experienced sentinel player. pancada looked meh all season because he wasnt playing his role. making 1 or 2 roster changes is not a bad thing. at the very least they will still have the core of zekken, sacy, and pancada/marved
TrialRunnr [#2]I was gonna make a similar thread but I wasnt in the mood to deal with Sen fans today.
yea. some are blinded by the fact that we have 5 great aimers. (we also have about 2.5 strats)
michaelisupset [#9]yea. some are blinded by the fact that we have 5 great aimers. (we also have about 2.5 strats)
Adding different players to the team will change strats????
Pengu12 [#10]Adding different players to the team will change strats????
yea having a proven igl will make their calling (and strats) better. there is no denying this. how is this a hot take for you??? marved is a good player but man he cannot call on attack. sen had 2 months to cook up strats and it looked like they cooked nothing.
cboomer [#12]because the same issues happen if u just bring another 2 new guys lol
no. bringing in a real igl who can actually play sentinel will help them. pancada looks horrid on kj. he has all season. so either him or marved stays to play smokes and boom, thats on huge problem solved. nismo coming in is just if sen dont want to keep tenz as the dedicated secondary initiator.
Not against “any” changes, but I’m against changing the whole roster including coaching staff. Rebuilding the entire roster to get instant success is just unrealistic. If they can’t afford the roster than sure, but a few changes at a time and keeping some sort of core has been proven to work better by EG, Fnatic, EDG, PRX etc. than cycling rosters like you’re trying to win the lottery or something
michaelisupset [#11]yea having a proven igl will make their calling (and strats) better. there is no denying this. how is this a hot take for you??? marved is a good player but man he cannot call on attack. sen had 2 months to cook up strats and it looked like they cooked nothing.
Calling and modrounding will improve but an igls job isn’t to cook up strats, that’s what u have competent coaching staff for
77_sTuna [#14]Not against “any” changes, but I’m against changing the whole roster including coaching staff. Rebuilding the entire roster to get instant success is just unrealistic. If they can’t afford the roster than sure, but a few changes at a time and keeping some sort of core has been proven to work better by EG, Fnatic, EDG, PRX etc. than cycling rosters like you’re trying to win the lottery or something
i agree, i dont want a huge rebuild. but i do think they need to get rid of 1 or 2 players. specifically marved or pancada (more likely marved cause his contract end this year) for johnqt so the team has a real igl and a real sentinel player. i only mention nismo because of tenz's contract ending this year. also i really dont think tenz should be on duelist.
michaelisupset [#13]no. bringing in a real igl who can actually play sentinel will help them. pancada looks horrid on kj. he has all season. so either him or marved stays to play smokes and boom, thats on huge problem solved. nismo coming in is just if sen dont want to keep tenz as the dedicated secondary initiator.
i like johnqt and nismo but the only good argument you have is that Kaplan already coached him. The reality is that beign a good igl doesn’t mean your team will play good valorant. There’s plenty of good igls on teams that play nasty val
While teams like PRX can be composed because they are well coached, nismo is cool but he’s a good tier 2 player doesn’t mean much until it’s proven in tier 1
I wouldn’t sign anyone you never know what chemistry is like
michaelisupset [#9]yea. some are blinded by the fact that we have 5 great aimers. (we also have about 2.5 strats)
more of it just comes down to them being blinded by Tenz, Sen fans refused to notice the underlying issues caused by him and hop back on his dick once he has 1 good game.
Pengu12 [#15]Calling and modrounding will improve but an igls job isn’t to cook up strats, that’s what u have competent coaching staff for
a change needs to be made either way. pancada has looked meh all season because he was on sentinel. theres a reason why his performance jumped up when he played viper.
TrialRunnr [#18]more of it just comes down to them being blinded by Tenz, Sen fans refused to notice the underlying issues caused by him and hop back on his dick once he has 1 good game.
yea. i just really feel like if he does stay on the team, he needs to go to a different role. he just isnt good on jett anymore except for the occasional good map where he can actually op. which has been spotty.
TrialRunnr [#18]more of it just comes down to them being blinded by Tenz, Sen fans refused to notice the underlying issues caused by him and hop back on his dick once he has 1 good game.
Genuinely explain what he does wrong instead of saying he causes issues
michaelisupset [#19]a change needs to be made either way. pancada has looked meh all season because he was on sentinel. theres a reason why his performance jumped up when he played viper.
I agree w that, I think this team needs an IGL fo sure
michaelisupset [#7]they had 2 months to do something but they had like 1 strat on attack. marved just isnt a great caller man. not only that, but they need a dedicated experienced sentinel player. pancada looked meh all season because he wasnt playing his role. making 1 or 2 roster changes is not a bad thing. at the very least they will still have the core of zekken, sacy, and pancada/marved
Give them time, you aren't going to expect outcomes instantly bro. EX: Look at Potter, she didn't accomplish anything till this year and the reason is cause it takes time to build synergy and you need that.
Pengu12 [#21]Genuinely explain what he does wrong instead of saying he causes issues
Flexibility.
Jett: His Jett is bottom 3 in Americas league
Kay/o: He looks good on Kay/o but has only played 2maps on it so we dont know how consistent he can be
Yoru: He was frying but it was against 100t so take it with a grain of salt.
His decision making is awful, the amount of time he does his braindead push while getting no results is truly fascinating and he has had 3years to improve on everything and you guys still want to give him time.
also atm, with the competition around him, I just dont see a player with his skillset be on a championship winning roster.
There is a good player in there somewhere but he is not gonna come out if he keeps on getting the golden boy treatment
TrialRunnr [#24]Flexibility.
Jett: His Jett is bottom 3 in Americas league
Kay/o: He looks good on Kay/o but has only played 2maps on it so we dont know how consistent he can be
Yoru: He was frying but it was against 100t so take it with a grain of salt.His decision making is awful, the amount of time he does his braindead push while getting no results is truly fascinating and he has had 3years to improve on everything and you guys still want to give him time.
also atm, with the competition around him, I just dont see a player with his skillset be on a championship winning roster.There is a good player in there somewhere but he is not gonna come out if he keeps on getting the golden boy treatment
his decision making was good in LCQ positive on FB/FD on every agent
the Jett thing might be true he’s definitely not that high due to consistency but his entry is clean the awping is the cursed part
Sentinels definitely could make his agent pool bigger though with some basic thought just by expanding comps
babi [#23]Give them time, you aren't going to expect outcomes instantly bro. EX: Look at Potter, she didn't accomplish anything till this year and the reason is cause it takes time to build synergy and you need that.
the team doesn’t even have an igl or a real sentinel player. i can give time to the zekken, sacy, pancada/marved core but that’s it. they need a real igl and a real sentinel player
StutterSt3p [#26]They just lack a solid igl, which Marved could be, but he needs more time to develop as an igl. On paper this roster is insane and one line of thinking is just that if Marved can become the igl they need, this roster is set.
the igl thing isn’t the only issue. pancada isn’t good on the sentinel role.
michaelisupset [#27]the team doesn’t even have an igl or a real sentinel player. i can give time to the zekken, sacy, pancada/marved core but that’s it. they need a real igl and a real sentinel player
lil bro is so impatient
first none of the players are leaving they joined for MONEY loud was perfectly fine
second rob moore is a clout farmer and this roster is an infinite clout glitch
igling is less important than team synergy and instilling the gameplan into the individual players. Calling is so much easier when the team knows how to play and that takes time 😭
michaelisupset [#7]they had 2 months to do something but they had like 1 strat on attack. marved just isnt a great caller man. not only that, but they need a dedicated experienced sentinel player. pancada looked meh all season because he wasnt playing his role. making 1 or 2 roster changes is not a bad thing. at the very least they will still have the core of zekken, sacy, and pancada/marved
u didnt watch the games
michaelisupset [#28]the igl thing isn’t the only issue. pancada isn’t good on the sentinel role.
Pancanda obviously isn't an amazing sentinel but I don't think he played that bad. He's a serviceable sentinel imo, especially with more and more time to practice he'll get better. And with the roster they have, they don't need a world-class sentinel player.
cboomer [#29]lil bro is so impatient
first none of the players are leaving they joined for MONEY loud was perfectly fine
second rob moore is a clout farmer and this roster is an infinite clout glitch
igling is less important than team synergy and instilling the gameplan into the individual players. Calling is so much easier when the team knows how to play and that takes time 😭
“impatient” they had two months and they still looked horrid. it’s not like they JUST got out aimed or anything. they had no strats
name a single team which is winning and doesnt have a core which has played for more than 6 months.. changing and chopping players wont get you results. team is good enough and needs time together to get better.
Also picking up M80 players is braindead. They lost a tier 2 tournament, replacing them with world champions and major winners is just braindead
manwhat [#30]u didnt watch the games
you are blinded by clout. this team won’t do anything if they make no changes.
michaelisupset [#32]“impatient” they had two months and they still looked horrid. it’s not like they JUST got out aimed or anything. they had no strats
you are just a low iq vlr dweller
fnatic had boaster and derke for 3 years and Alfa for a year and a half
EG gave potter forever
LOUD is the only team in Valorant HISTORY to ever get that good that fast
They now have 4-5 months until next season and can scrim champs teams at LA there’s no reason to change shit
cboomer [#17]i like johnqt and nismo but the only good argument you have is that Kaplan already coached him. The reality is that beign a good igl doesn’t mean your team will play good valorant. There’s plenty of good igls on teams that play nasty val
While teams like PRX can be composed because they are well coached, nismo is cool but he’s a good tier 2 player doesn’t mean much until it’s proven in tier 1
I wouldn’t sign anyone you never know what chemistry is like
you don’t think having good midrounding and attack side strats will make the team better? i don’t know if you just weren’t watching but on pearl attack sen had 1 strat. having an igl who can midround and play sentinel will help tremendously. also nismo is just a what if. tenz’s contract is ending so picking him up could be good. also it’s crazy how much you underrate tier 2 talent
michaelisupset [#36]you don’t think having good midrounding and attack side strats will make the team better? i don’t know if you just weren’t watching but on pearl attack sen had 1 strat. having an igl who can midround and play sentinel will help tremendously. also nismo is just a what if. tenz’s contract is ending so picking him up could be good. also it’s crazy how much you underrate tier 2 talent
Their postplants were the reason they lost 100t was playing site and losing it anyways
like I said PRX have NO igl and have amazing midrounds; why, because their players know how to default because the coach drilled it into to them
Learning fancy techniques and strats don’t mean shit and that’s what sen did they need basics like fnatic eg and PRX got
cboomer [#35]you are just a low iq vlr dweller
fnatic had boaster and derke for 3 years and Alfa for a year and a half
EG gave potter forever
LOUD is the only team in Valorant HISTORY to ever get that good that fast
They now have 4-5 months until next season and can scrim champs teams at LA there’s no reason to change shit
if you really think that sentinels
-without a real igl
-without a good sentinel player
-without good roles
-with a player who is never consistent (tenz)
then you are just dumb. marved cannot call. that is what has been shown. get a grip.
cboomer [#38]Their postplants were the reason they lost 100t was playing site and losing it anyways
like I said PRX have NO igl and have amazing midrounds; why, because their players know how to default because the coach drilled it into to them
Learning fancy techniques and strats don’t mean shit and that’s what sen did they need basics like fnatic eg and PRX got
I think you are actually stupid. not only did their post plant suck, but all of their calling sucked. they cannot midround. they had good ideas on fracture defense but they do the same shit every round on attack. i do not understand how you think this roster will do well just because they have 5 good aimers
kskm [#33]name a single team which is winning and doesnt have a core which has played for more than 6 months.. changing and chopping players wont get you results. team is good enough and needs time together to get better.
Also picking up M80 players is braindead. They lost a tier 2 tournament, replacing them with world champions and major winners is just braindead
if you think the players on m80 aren’t franchise worthy then anything else you say is stupid
CanadianLegend [#37]I think your missing a huge problem in SEN, it’s that they are extremely momentum based which means they are extremely inconsistent, they need some confidence and a mentality coach I feel like
or they need actual strats and good midrounding and a sentinel player who can play on the sentinel role without going double negative
michaelisupset [#40]if you really think that sentinels
-without a real igl
-without a good sentinel player
-without good roles
-with a player who is never consistent (tenz)
then you are just dumb. marved cannot call. that is what has been shown. get a grip.
a lot of teams don’t have a real igl moron it’s just a term. Sacy was reported to be vocal actually leading loud despite saadhak calling
Less has shit stats on KJ too is he a bad sentinel? Pancada plays very well on cypher and viper the KJ shit is just an outlier
The roles work great it’s not like any of the players are playing out of comfort at all..
Tenz was their second best player at lcq and had shown the most improving on sentinels from reg season to LCQ
Every single point you make is garbage just stop
michaelisupset [#41]I think you are actually stupid. not only did their post plant suck, but all of their calling sucked. they cannot midround. they had good ideas on fracture defense but they do the same shit every round on attack. i do not understand how you think this roster will do well just because they have 5 good aimers
this team could have FNS and they’d still look shit because FNS doesn’t know how these players function lmfao he can’t just manage 5 randoms he’s used to crashies and Victor that’s how CORES WORK you need synergy
michaelisupset [#43]or they need actual strats and good midrounding and a sentinel player who can play on the sentinel role without going double negative
Ok sure but that doesn’t change the fact if they lose their momentum they completely shit the bed, they even have 3 Veteran players and still they are momentum base, they need a mentality coach
cboomer [#44]a lot of teams don’t have a real igl moron it’s just a term. Sacy was reported to be vocal actually leading loud despite saadhak calling
Less has shit stats on KJ too is he a bad sentinel? Pancada plays very well on cypher and viper the KJ shit is just an outlier
The roles work great it’s not like any of the players are playing out of comfort at all..
Tenz was their second best player at lcq and had shown the most improving on sentinels from reg season to LCQ
Every single point you make is garbage just stop
you are actually brain dead lmfaoooo. your brain is mush. watch them keep the same roster then lose everything next year
michaelisupset [#42]if you think the players on m80 aren’t franchise worthy then anything else you say is stupid
bruh u dont know the first thing about competitive play with ur stupid takes. M80 did decent in Tier2 cause of the core players from Ghost gaming who were playing together for a while. Same goes for the Guard. Literally every tier 1 team that has done decent has a core group which has played together for a while - NRG, LOUD, EG and even other regions such as Fnatic and PRX. If you were expecting SEN to beat any of these, you are delusional. They cannot do it with 2 months of prac when the other teams have been together for ages.
M80 lost a T2 event. no one on that team deserves to replace major and champion winners, if you cannot comprehend that, then anything you say is stupid.
Ullyr [#49]The craziest thing is sen can find instant success if they fire everyone and get all of m80. But tenz my king BatChest
Wrong best way to they can win is learn Chinese and buy EDG
michaelisupset [#47]you are actually brain dead lmfaoooo. your brain is mush. watch them keep the same roster then lose everything next year
they could add two bums who lost ascension tho and it would fix everything right right
i think tenz stays as the secondary initiator as he looked very good on it. I think marved def retires cause he's opening a business and proll gonna devote all his time to that. also is nismo that much better than tenz that it outweighs tenz clout and also the talent he has cause tenz looks good on this role and even he said that he prefers this role over his entry. also you gotta take into consideration that m80 consist of a core and there are chances that the players may look better than they are due to the chemistry
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