Yay and Marved were our best shot. Americas is deepest region, but no one except Crashies approaches these players. Top 8 in terms of just actually being good at the game:
These guys are a cut above everyone else. HM's are: Nats, Suygetsu, Crashies, Jinggg, Sayf, Sacy, Optic Yay and Marved, Kangkang. I think Zekken can make this list, but he has to win something.
iamtheh [#3]I cant tell if this is supposed to be bait with HM: yay and Marved. bro still living in pre-franchising
yay was the best player for a year, i cant not include him. i could take out marved tho
Asuna_Yuuki [#7]s0m clears mako lil bro
s0m at the very least is top 6 in the world
Why do so many people underrate him
Demon1 is also god player
spawned w upvote, mako wud never throw that round on pearl lmao
calabasa [#8]demon1 is just new cryocells w flickier aim, he doesnt have goat potential
what is that comparison how is he like cryo
greedeetv [#9]derke at 7 is wild to me, imo hes the best player on fnc and in the world. also if ur living pre franchising then surely yay and marved make this, but if ur not, then where are any of the eg or nrg players
he is the 4th best player on fnatic. initiators are the hardest and most impactful role and leo and chronicle are the best itw at that. alfajer is just bs w how he's been playing past 6 months. derke used to be the best on fnatic but times have changed. thats why I put yay in HM, obv he's not even top 30 now
DABEAST [#14]if s0m performs in champs he deserves to be on the list
s0m hasn't won jack shit. he is consistent, but hasn't pulled NRG through to a win yet. Marved peak was clearly better. I am open to the possibility but he hasnt proved anything yet
calabasa [#11]spawned w upvote, mako wud never throw that round on pearl lmao
S0m has objectively been the best controller in the world this year
Mako is slowly becoming overrated, just look at his stats compared to s0m
s0m is the best controller of the franchising era
Also whats wrong with upvoting yourself?
turkey [#10]the mako and shao wankage is crazy, plus optic marved and yay don’t exist anymore. top 4 should be all FNC players and then we go from there
Shao is as good as Leo on initiator, and is as flexible as Chronicle. He is also clutch af and has better aim than either of them, altho probably worse decision making than Leo. He could be best itw but Navi is playing like shit rn. Mako is the most consistent player of all time. 1.20+ rating on all controllers over all time.
turkey [#10]the mako and shao wankage is crazy, plus optic marved and yay don’t exist anymore. top 4 should be all FNC players and then we go from there
Shao can singlehandedly win games on his own on initiator or smokes. It takes smoggy-zmjjkk, entirety of DRX, whole pre-franchise PRX to stop him. Just because NAVI is shit doesn't mean Shao is shit, just like chronicle from last year.
turkey [#13]what is that comparison how is he like cryo
he is the new hotshot Jett/Chamber/duelist. Cryo in 2022 was as hyped as Demon1. Everyone thought Cryo would dominate but he hasn't. EG went on a super hot run when they were shit before. They do look to be really good, but the only teams that have been consistently amazing are Fnatic, Optic and Loud, and maybe DRX. Demon1 has to be good for way longer to make my HM list
Asuna_Yuuki [#17]S0m has objectively been the best controller in the world this year
Mako is slowly becoming overrated, just look at his stats compared to s0m
s0m is the best controller of the franchising era
Also whats wrong with upvoting yourself?
Just becoz of one lan huh
Where was som in all other lan events
calabasa [#16]s0m hasn't won jack shit. he is consistent, but hasn't pulled NRG through to a win yet. Marved peak was clearly better. I am open to the possibility but he hasnt proved anything yet
What the fuck did mako win
Asuna_Yuuki [#17]S0m has objectively been the best controller in the world this year
Mako is slowly becoming overrated, just look at his stats compared to s0m
s0m is the best controller of the franchising era
Also whats wrong with upvoting yourself?
if it were like reddit which auto upvotes urself its fine. but u have to actively click that little + button. it shows no belief in urself or ur opinions, and it shows that u care too much about these stupid points, when ur opinion should stand by itself. in short, ew
NoOne_ButMe [#22]Just becoz of one lan huh
Where was som in all other lan events
Unfair comparison
S0m’s old team was not good and he used to be a duelist player
He recently picked up the controller role and has been much better than mako on it for sure
SigmaMale [#23]What the fuck did mako win
DRX has been top 4-6 for 3 years and Mako is by far the best player on that squad. s0m has performed well at one LAN, and he threw a super crucial round
calabasa [#24]if it were like reddit which auto upvotes urself its fine. but u have to actively click that little + button. it shows no belief in urself or ur opinions, and it shows that u care too much about these stupid points, when ur opinion should stand by itself. in short, ew
I don’t really care though, you think I have no belief in my opinions?
It’s just a habit to upvote good takes, it’s not something I actively think about
You’re diving too deep into this upvoting yourself situation when it really isn’t that deep
Obviously I have belief in my opinions which is why I post them
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]I don’t really care though, you think I have no belief in my opinions?
It’s just a habit to upvote good takes, it’s not something I actively think about
You’re diving too deep into this upvoting yourself situation when it really isn’t that deep
Obviously I have belief in my opinions which is why I post them
okay fair, i respect u for defending urself
Asuna_Yuuki [#26]Unfair comparison
S0m’s old team was not good and he used to be a duelist player
He recently picked up the controller role and has been much better than mako on it for sure
See thats why som atleast needs 2 or more lan to prove that he is among the best controlers
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]I don’t really care though, you think I have no belief in my opinions?
It’s just a habit to upvote good takes, it’s not something I actively think about
You’re diving too deep into this upvoting yourself situation when it really isn’t that deep
Obviously I have belief in my opinions which is why I post them
okay fair, i respect that u defended urself
NoOne_ButMe [#25]Consistency
S0m’s old team was bad, it’s not his fault
Now he is on a much stronger team than DRX
Asuna_Yuuki [#33]
- Leo
- Alfajer
- Chronicle
- Less
- s0m
- Derke
- Aspas
- Crashies
- Demon
- Mako
nvm I still dont fuck with the self upvote cringe af. Something and Demon1 too new. I accept Crashies as top 10
calabasa [#27]DRX has been top 4-6 for 3 years and Mako is by far the best player on that squad. s0m has performed well at one LAN, and he threw a super crucial round
Everyone makes mistakes, that round isn’t why the lost.
It was just one bad round.
Remember, it was like a 3v5 and he had to get like 3 kills to even make it that close.
Other than that, he was by far the best non FNC player at the tournament
NANNE [#38]no one except Crashies
damn Americas is indeed doomed if Crashies is your best player
Bro s0m is better
calabasa [#16]s0m hasn't won jack shit. he is consistent, but hasn't pulled NRG through to a win yet. Marved peak was clearly better. I am open to the possibility but he hasnt proved anything yet
By that logic, Zombs > Mako bc he has more wins
calabasa [#35]nvm I still dont fuck with the self upvote cringe af. Something and Demon1 too new. I accept Crashies as top 10
You right about something
I also forgot to add less in my original list
Asuna_Yuuki [#37]Everyone makes mistakes, that round isn’t why the lost.
It was just one bad round.
Remember, it was like a 3v5 and he had to get like 3 kills to even make it that close.
Other than that, he was by far the best non FNC player at the tournament
it was a pretty bad mistake, and also the best non FNC player was Kangkang. s0m is just not a hard carry, or hyper impactful like these other players, he is great for sure, but I'm talking about top 10 all time. s0m is nowhere close to proving that. he is consistent, but he hasn't shown me that he can drag NRG through to a win. I'm not talking about lucky clutches like on Icebox yellow, but consistent impactful decision making throughout the game. He does his job very well, but Marved's amazing timing lurks were definitely more impactful and hard carry than anything s0m has shown.
Asuna_Yuuki [#37]Everyone makes mistakes, that round isn’t why the lost.
It was just one bad round.
Remember, it was like a 3v5 and he had to get like 3 kills to even make it that close.
Other than that, he was by far the best non FNC player at the tournament
it was a pretty bad mistake, and also the best non FNC player was Kangkang. s0m is just not a hard carry, or hyper impactful like these other players, he is great for sure, but I'm talking about top 10 all time. s0m is nowhere close to proving that. he is consistent, but he hasn't shown me that he can drag NRG through to a win. I'm not talking about lucky clutches like on Icebox yellow, but consistent impactful decision making throughout the game. He does his job very well, but Marved's amazing timing lurks were definitely more impactful and hard carry than anything s0m has shown.
calabasa [#42]it was a pretty bad mistake, and also the best non FNC player was Kangkang. s0m is just not a hard carry, or hyper impactful like these other players, he is great for sure, but I'm talking about top 10 all time. s0m is nowhere close to proving that. he is consistent, but he hasn't shown me that he can drag NRG through to a win. I'm not talking about lucky clutches like on Icebox yellow, but consistent impactful decision making throughout the game. He does his job very well, but Marved's amazing timing lurks were definitely more impactful and hard carry than anything s0m has shown.
I’m not talking about all time rankings, I’m talking about right now.
If we were talking all time, yay and marved would be in top 10.
Right now, you can’t deny that s0m is by far the most impactful controller
Asuna_Yuuki [#39]Bro s0m is better
you are on crack if you think s0m is better than crashies all time.
Asuna_Yuuki [#39]Bro s0m is better
you are on crack if you think s0m is better than crashies all time.
calabasa [#46]you are on crack if you think s0m is better than crashies all time.
Bro I’m not talking about all time
I’m talking about RIGHT NOW
If we were doing an all time list, yay and marved would be top 10
aylez [#44]s0m was the best controller at tokyo and deserves to be top 10 itw atm, but u guys arent ready for that convo
let bro perform more than 1 lan. all the mention people have proven themself multiple times
Asuna_Yuuki [#45]I’m not talking about all time rankings, I’m talking about right now.
If we were talking all time, yay and marved would be in top 10.
Right now, you can’t deny that s0m is by far the most impactful controller
He is very good but he is not a transcendent talent. Shao is, that's why on an off role like controller, he still is a more impactful controller than s0m. Nats is also better if you count Viper, and if you're counting Viper then Chronicle also clears. Mako is definitely still better, DRX is just going through a slump.
Asuna_Yuuki [#48]Bro I’m not talking about all time
I’m talking about RIGHT NOW
If we were doing an all time list, yay and marved would be top 10
crashies played shit for one LAN, that's too small a sample size for me to say he's worse even rn.
calabasa [#50]He is very good but he is not a transcendent talent. Shao is, that's why on an off role like controller, he still is a more impactful controller than s0m. Nats is also better if you count Viper, and if you're counting Viper then Chronicle also clears. Mako is definitely still better, DRX is just going through a slump.
No way you think s0m is a worse controller than shao 💀
Actual delusion
Also s0m doesn’t play viper bro, stop spouting nonsense and comparing him to viper players. FNS is the viper player
naTs is a sentinels and chronicle is a flex
Shao is not an impactful controller. Him being on controller has cost his team games, and deeply worsened his stats
Asuna_Yuuki [#52]No way you think s0m is a worse controller than shao 💀
Actual delusion
Also s0m doesn’t play viper bro, stop spouting nonsense and comparing him to viper players. FNS is the viper player
naTs is a sentinels and chronicle is a flex
Shao is not an impactful controller. Him being on controller has cost his team games, and deeply worsened his stats
Shao controller stats past 60 days: 1.18
S0m: 1.135
Shao is good on controller, he's bad at KJ. He is just much much better on initiator, and the team roles just get fucked by Cned playing Raze. Just sayin if this guy's secondary role is better than s0m, and s0m has only performed for one LAN, how can u glaze him so hard.
calabasa [#4]i pretend my pillow is kyedae sometimes
I do the same thing but with Tarik as my pillow ^_^
calabasa [#53]Shao controller stats past 60 days: 1.18
S0m: 1.135Shao is good on controller, he's bad at KJ. He is just much much better on initiator, and the team roles just get fucked by Cned playing Raze. Just sayin if this guy's secondary role is better than s0m, and s0m has only performed for one LAN, how can u glaze him so hard.
Bro s0m was much better in Tokyo
Don’t compare domestic stats with international stats
Shao was playing much weaker teams than s0m in EMEA as well
You are glazing shao way too hard without looking at all of the variables
kirito5133 [#49]let bro perform more than 1 lan. all the mention people have proven themself multiple times
if u wanna make a list for top 10 atm, shao mako shouldn't be there
say what u want but s0m outplayed mako individually at tokyo, he was better, no argument lmfao
gotta be some EG players in the top 10 demon1 c0m were top 10 players at this event easily even Ethan could be in top 15
calabasa [#27]DRX has been top 4-6 for 3 years and Mako is by far the best player on that squad. s0m has performed well at one LAN, and he threw a super crucial round
wow congratulations to mako for the 4-6th place award!!!!
cboomer [#56]if u wanna make a list for top 10 atm, shao mako shouldn't be there
say what u want but s0m outplayed mako individually at tokyo, he was better, no argument lmfao
gotta be some EG players in the top 10 demon1 c0m were top 10 players at this event easily even Ethan could be in top 15
yeah in this event i agree som was great com was great but i dont think this is a top 8 atm that why even marved in included in hm
Manaphy [#60]If this is a list for right now why are Yay and Marved even being mentioned?
were our best shot
dapada [#61]were our best shot
He also put them in HM. Even assuming they were our best shot they wouldn't make it to HM this year imo.
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#63]Alfajer is 2x better player than Shao and Mako's combination
the weird thing is you already know that
He is also the best player in the world rn
calabasa [#21]he is the new hotshot Jett/Chamber/duelist. Cryo in 2022 was as hyped as Demon1. Everyone thought Cryo would dominate but he hasn't. EG went on a super hot run when they were shit before. They do look to be really good, but the only teams that have been consistently amazing are Fnatic, Optic and Loud, and maybe DRX. Demon1 has to be good for way longer to make my HM list
Not when he has Derrek, Stellar, Bang, and Asuna on his team. Do you see how well cryo performs
calabasa [#15]he is the 4th best player on fnatic. initiators are the hardest and most impactful role and leo and chronicle are the best itw at that. alfajer is just bs w how he's been playing past 6 months. derke used to be the best on fnatic but times have changed. thats why I put yay in HM, obv he's not even top 30 now
the reason i put derke so high is his impact to the team. he literally does everything, from bringing up the teams mental to getting his entry with or without good initiator utility. hes also very very consistent with few bad games even in major tournaments on the biggest stages
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