Do you think teams like LOUD, DRX, NAVI got a little complacent and egotistical? It feels like they let the others catch up to them while they kept thinking they were too good to focus on the lil things. They've got some of the best players we've ever seen yet, almost all of them winning some tournament, and played so great in their leagues but just a few weeks later bomb out like this? All props to EG and EDG, but at least give them a fight?
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LOUD: Didn't lock in, losing fights and rounds that they should never lose. They'll be back in form for Champs.
DRX: Trolling themselves with the 6 man roster
NAVI: Has not been good since they lost Ardiis, inflated 4th placing from farmers league, were obviously not Masters caliber and shouldn't have been here (imagine giving EMEA 4 slots for a 1 team region)
Golemaxxx [#2]Yep but Na'vi will come back, too much firepower in this team
aspas and less are probably top 10 players itw on their WORST days too
babysasuke [#3]LOUD: Didn't lock in, losing fights and rounds that they should never lose. They'll be back in form for Champs.
DRX: Trolling themselves with the 6 man roster
NAVI: Has not been good since they lost Ardiis, inflated 4th placing from farmers league, were obviously not Masters caliber and shouldn't have been here (imagine giving EMEA 4 slots for a 1 team region)
4 people from NAVI have won a masters in dominating fashion and the replacement for ardiis they picked up beat prime gambit to win champs. What do you mean not Masters caliber?
babysasuke [#3]LOUD: Didn't lock in, losing fights and rounds that they should never lose. They'll be back in form for Champs.
DRX: Trolling themselves with the 6 man roster
NAVI: Has not been good since they lost Ardiis, inflated 4th placing from farmers league, were obviously not Masters caliber and shouldn't have been here (imagine giving EMEA 4 slots for a 1 team region)
ardiis was carrying fpx fr then decided to come to a region that suited his talents better
babysasuke [#3]LOUD: Didn't lock in, losing fights and rounds that they should never lose. They'll be back in form for Champs.
DRX: Trolling themselves with the 6 man roster
NAVI: Has not been good since they lost Ardiis, inflated 4th placing from farmers league, were obviously not Masters caliber and shouldn't have been here (imagine giving EMEA 4 slots for a 1 team region)
stop spitting facts daddy
terribletyranny [#4]aspas and less are probably top 10 players itw on their WORST days too
except for that EG game tho. I don't think Less' igling suits aspas very well, nor does Neon as an agent
terribletyranny [#5]4 people from NAVI have won a masters in dominating fashion and the replacement for ardiis they picked up beat prime gambit to win champs. What do you mean not Masters caliber?
bro is living in the past? They looked bad all split in EMEA, they looked bad in playoffs, they looked bad in groups.
Happy for their win last year, but this team is no FPX. Shao and Suygetsu are not the players they were on FPX, cNed is NOT the player that won Champions, and Ange1 and staff are not reading the meta as well as previously or reading other teams as well as they used to.
Nachtel [#10]except for that EG game tho. I don't think Less' igling suits aspas very well, nor does Neon as an agent
Idt less was fully igling, hes just secondary calling and he eventually wants to igl.
Cresp [#16]Idt less was fully igling, hes just secondary calling and he eventually wants to igl.
I read somewhere that Saadhak IGLs every map but Less recently started igling on fracture since Saadhak feels uncomfortable igling on that map
babysasuke [#13]bro is living in the past? They looked bad all split in EMEA, they looked bad in playoffs, they looked bad in groups.
Happy for their win last year, but this team is no FPX. Shao and Suygetsu are not the players they were on FPX, cNed is NOT the player that won Champions, and Ange1 and staff are not reading the meta as well as previously or reading other teams as well as they used to.
NAVI went 3-0 in LOCKIN groups, 7-2 in the split (beat liquid), looked good in the playoffs before playing yoru vs FUT. Almost everyone when not biased rate most of these players as incredibly gifted and amazing. On their best days they can overperform what they used to do on FPX. By saying they're not masters caliber youre not making sense because EMEA gets 3 slots anyway and if NAVI dont troll they end up qualifying regardless.
terribletyranny [#20]NAVI went 3-0 in LOCKIN groups, 7-2 in the split (beat liquid), looked good in the playoffs before playing yoru vs FUT. Almost everyone when not biased rate most of these players as incredibly gifted and amazing. On their best days they can overperform what they used to do on FPX. By saying they're not masters caliber youre not making sense because EMEA gets 3 slots anyway and if NAVI dont troll they end up qualifying regardless.
Fluke tournament, beginning of splits in all leagues were a dumpsterfire as teams were trying to mesh/figure out roles/establish a meta, Liquid is ass
almost everyone when not biased rate most of these players as incredibly gifted and amazing.
Only EMEA fans do this because theyre holding on to the last time EMEA won a tournament that mattered
On their best days they can overperform what they used to do on FPX.
Playoffs and groups would have been the time to show this, obviously its not that simple.
if NAVI dont troll
How long can you say they're "trolling". Its been 6 months, they just aren't top tier anymore.
babysasuke [#26]Fluke tournament, beginning of splits in all leagues were a dumpsterfire as teams were trying to mesh/figure out roles/establish a meta, Liquid is ass
almost everyone when not biased rate most of these players as incredibly gifted and amazing.
Only EMEA fans do this because theyre holding on to the last time EMEA won a tournament that mattered
On their best days they can overperform what they used to do on FPX.
Playoffs and groups would have been the time to show this, obviously its not that simple.
if NAVI dont troll
How long can you say they're "trolling". Its been 6 months, they just aren't top tier anymore.
my god. are you stupid? You first claim their performance in the split and its playoffs looked bad, and when it got countered your response is to call it a fluke? If the tournament is a fluke, then their performance in it is irrelevant and you shouldn't be able to use their performance in the tournament as evidence in the first place. "Fluke tournament" "tournament that matterred" do you ever talk any sense other than subjective perspective? everything you just said was ad-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias
im the stupid one to engage in conversation with fucking babysasuke
LOUD: Bleed scrims broke em + genuine shocked on how good/improved EG and other region (China) have keep up to them.
DRX: 6 man problem, foxy9 not upto international standard, Termi/Stax clash on handling starting 5 and stax ability to midround IGL, PRX broke em, and loss of unity as a team
NAVI: "Oh shit we have an actual problem", this zmjjkk guy hitting ALL his OP shots. U can see the face of Suygetsu when Kang Kang kill him so many times. Wouldn't say complacent, but been put on backfoot by a surprising opponent and resulted in an exit loss.
terribletyranny [#32]my god. are you stupid? You first claim their performance in the split and its playoffs looked bad, and when it got countered your response is to call it a fluke? If the tournament is a fluke, then their performance in it is irrelevant and you shouldn't be able to use their performance in the tournament as evidence in the first place. "Fluke tournament" "tournament that matterred" do you ever talk any sense other than subjective perspective? everything you just said was ad-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias
im the stupid one to engage in conversation with fucking babysasuke
What are you on about lil guy
LOCK IN was a fluke, EMEA VCT they got dismantled, Masters groups they got embarrassed (on a global stage btw!)
You can keep coping about them trolling, or bad bracket, or waiting for them to "overperform" but the reality is that FPX was good because Ange1 was reading other teams and adapting on the fly, Ardiis was a reliable anchor on the chamber, and Shao and Suygetsu were clutching and pulling off insane rounds when all else failed.
None of that is happening anymore. The team has lost its identity and replaced it with "well fuck, maybe cNed can pop off" and "I guess we'll play Yoru, it works in ranked"
babysasuke [#34]What are you on about lil guy
LOCK IN was a fluke, EMEA VCT they got dismantled, Masters groups they got embarrassed (on a global stage btw!)
You can keep coping about them trolling, or bad bracket, or waiting for them to "overperform" but the reality is that FPX was good because Ange1 was reading other teams and adapting on the fly, Ardiis was a reliable anchor on the chamber, and Shao and Suygetsu were clutching and pulling off insane rounds when all else failed.
None of that is happening anymore. The team has lost its identity and replaced it with "well fuck, maybe cNed can pop off" and "I guess we'll play Yoru, it works in ranked"
agree to disagree with a stupendous moron
terribletyranny [#20]NAVI went 3-0 in LOCKIN groups, 7-2 in the split (beat liquid), looked good in the playoffs before playing yoru vs FUT. Almost everyone when not biased rate most of these players as incredibly gifted and amazing. On their best days they can overperform what they used to do on FPX. By saying they're not masters caliber youre not making sense because EMEA gets 3 slots anyway and if NAVI dont troll they end up qualifying regardless.
Bro they played vs Team secret kru and leviatan
All mid to bad teams
Nachtel [#18]I read somewhere that Saadhak IGLs every map but Less recently started igling on fracture since Saadhak feels uncomfortable igling on that map
Let me correct that for you, a lot of brazilians misinterpreted what saadhack said. Less is giving some call-outs and pointing out enemy positions and sometimes what he thinks they'll do. Saadhack still the full igl, thats the whole reason why hes on the team, he literally bottom frags most maps. Less just turned 18, saadhack knows thats too young to be a igl
terribletyranny [#35]agree to disagree with a stupendous moron
Can't believe these peasants are saying LOCK IN was a fluke just because their team didn't win it
loloscum [#39]Let me correct that for you, a lot of brazilians misinterpreted what saadhack said. Less is giving some call-outs and pointing out enemy positions and sometimes what he thinks they'll do. Saadhack still the full igl, thats the whole reason why hes on the team, he literally bottom frags most maps. Less just turned 18, saadhack knows thats too young to be a igl
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