So... I didn't watch the matches from the other regions, and mostly the LOUD and EG games (aside from the Brazilian teams), but to be honest, I felt that the teams were relying much more on firepower and the mistakes of their adversaries than on proper strategies.
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trembolonaRage [#3]America is still fucking bad except for LOUD
All of the top6 EMEA teams would smash EG/C9/NRG in any given day
Will this be enough to people outside Brazil recognize saadhak as the greatest player of all time? (not talking about most talented, you know who im referring to)
We brazilians have been saying this for atleast half a year and people for some reason keep mentioning Chronicle????????
Chronicle
Good flex player (went -27 in today's BO5 btw)
2nd at Champions
1st at Master
1st at LOCK-IN with the most talented lineup ever (no merit on this/lucky win)
2nd at EMEA's League
Saadhak
Can basically play any agent, any role, WHILE CALLING
1st at Champions
2nd at Masters
2nd at LOCK-IN (started 2-0, threw a 11-3 lead, far better team overall)
1st at Americas League
Created 2 teams from scratch with unknown players and led them to the top
Saadhak is the GOAT of valorant so far
trembolonaRage [#3]America is still fucking bad except for LOUD
All of the top6 EMEA teams would smash EG/C9/NRG in any given day
Holyyy W. NAVI would run Americas. LOUD and NAVI would run through everyone
Ailed [#4]Will this be enough to people outside Brazil recognize saadhak as the greatest player of all time? (not talking about most talented, you know who im referring to)
We brazilians have been saying this for atleast half a year and people for some reason keep mentioning Chronicle????????
Chronicle
Good flex player (went -27 in today's BO5 btw)
2nd at Champions
1st at Master
1st at LOCK-IN with the most talented lineup ever (no merit on this/lucky win)
2nd at EMEA's LeagueSaadhak
Can basically play any agent, any role, WHILE CALLING
1st at Champions
2nd at Masters
2nd at LOCK-IN (started 2-0, threw a 11-3 lead, far better team overall)
1st at Americas League
Created 2 teams from scratch with unknown players and led them to the topSaadhak is the GOAT of valorant so far
Thats true
If you think that then you’d call the champs of Pacific “No Brain Aim duel gods”
No it clearly wasn’t all dependant on Aim bro, a lot of it came down to defaulting and reads since lotus,ascent and haven were played which are super default heavy maps which require a shit ton of reads by the team.
Nrg and Loud both are two of the best strat heavy teams in the game other than emea giants and some top pacific teams, they do rely on strats you might see them at surface level
Yessirskiiii [#5]Holyyy W. NAVI would run Americas. LOUD and NAVI would run through everyone
💤💤💤💤💤💤
🦅 forever
Ailed [#4]Will this be enough to people outside Brazil recognize saadhak as the greatest player of all time? (not talking about most talented, you know who im referring to)
We brazilians have been saying this for atleast half a year and people for some reason keep mentioning Chronicle????????
Chronicle
Good flex player (went -27 in today's BO5 btw)
2nd at Champions
1st at Master
1st at LOCK-IN with the most talented lineup ever (no merit on this/lucky win)
2nd at EMEA's LeagueSaadhak
Can basically play any agent, any role, WHILE CALLING
1st at Champions
2nd at Masters
2nd at LOCK-IN (started 2-0, threw a 11-3 lead, far better team overall)
1st at Americas League
Created 2 teams from scratch with unknown players and led them to the topSaadhak is the GOAT of valorant so far
hard disagree. Chadhaak's teams have always been better than Chronicle's up until FNC. Don't think you can really call LOCK//IN a lucky win considering how mentally boomed FNC were and how much LOUD were thriving at 11-3 up. The mental resilience to make that comeback is immense - especially already being down 2-0 in the series, saying that LOUD are a far better team overall is... extrapolating, for sure.
re: 2 teams with unknown players... not really. Except for tuyz, all of the players he has played with have been top players in Brazil since aspas & friends was a thing
Either way, don't think Chronicle is the goat even though he is the most accomplished player. He is the best flex player for sure - rated top2 EMEA up until this grand final, but I'd have to argue more for Boaster or Derke being the goat.
Cresp [#8]EG’s playstyle is to punish other teams playstyles.
If you think NRG’s playstyle is dependent on firepower idk what to say tbh.
Loud is kinda both very good tactically but also does like to take duels.
C9 is also kinda both but they are very good at reading and being proactive.
- But with Demon1, anything is possible brother
- Agreed
- They almost threw Fracture after saadhaak's 1v3 ace - he got hyped on adrenaline and started calling rushes every round which almost threw the match. Shows a tiny chink in their armor - if he gets revved up, he'll make abrupt calls
- I think with more time, C9 have potential to be number 1. Playoffs was the first time they got challenged and they got mentally boomed in a few of those matches they lost
1cameh [#13]
- But with Demon1, anything is possible brother
- Agreed
- They almost threw Fracture after saadhaak's 1v3 ace - he got hyped on adrenaline and started calling rushes every round which almost threw the match. Shows a tiny chink in their armor - if he gets revved up, he'll make abrupt calls
- I think with more time, C9 have potential to be number 1. Playoffs was the first time they got challenged and they got mentally boomed in a few of those matches they lost
I think yesterday less was calling
Cresp [#14]I think yesterday less was calling
Saadhack say Less was calling in some moments he never said Less was calling the whole match.
brahianv [#15]Saadhack say Less was calling in some moments he never said Less was calling the whole match.
Oh ok
Cresp [#14]I think yesterday less was calling
Even still, that is a chink in their armor. A less experienced (no pun intended) caller will always make mistakes at some point even if they make great calls sometimes. Not saying LOUD is bad by any means - just saying they're not indefatigable like a lot of people say they are
1cameh [#11]hard disagree. Chadhaak's teams have always been better than Chronicle's up until FNC. Don't think you can really call LOCK//IN a lucky win considering how mentally boomed FNC were and how much LOUD were thriving at 11-3 up. The mental resilience to make that comeback is immense - especially already being down 2-0 in the series, saying that LOUD are a far better team overall is... extrapolating, for sure.
re: 2 teams with unknown players... not really. Except for tuyz, all of the players he has played with have been top players in Brazil since aspas & friends was a thing
Either way, don't think Chronicle is the goat even though he is the most accomplished player. He is the best flex player for sure - rated top2 EMEA up until this grand final, but I'd have to argue more for Boaster or Derke being the goat.
ye the fact that loud lost a map 5: 11-3 comeback IN BRAZIL is just not something that should ever happen. Lowkey not something that happens before Sacy and Pancada left.
miniature [#19]ye the fact that loud lost a map 5: 11-3 comeback IN BRAZIL is just not something that should ever happen. Lowkey not something that happens before Sacy and Pancada left.
i don't disagree that some more veteran presence would've pushed them through, but we cannot discredit the fact that FNC accomplished that after being up 2-0, choking to 2-2, and being down 11-3
Asuna_Yuuki [#17]NRG is one of the best strategic teams itw lil bro
EG is also very strategic and anti-stratty
common NRG fan W
1cameh [#20]i don't disagree that some more veteran presence would've pushed them through, but we cannot discredit the fact that FNC accomplished that after being up 2-0, choking to 2-2, and being down 11-3
In no way am I intending to nor do I truly think I am detracting from their massive comeback; BUT a team does usually have to lack the ability to close in order for a comeback to be possible. Now, how DEEP that problem is determines how hard another team has to work to achieve the comeback; Loud aren't weak.
But perhaps Sacy/Pancada added an element they no longer have and they have to figure out how to compensate to maintain their position internationally.
trembolonaRage [#3]America is still fucking bad except for LOUD
All of the top6 EMEA teams would smash EG/C9/NRG in any given day
wait isn't ur whole personality hating on loud?
Americas top 4>any other top 4
Americas top 2>APAC top 2 but <EU
Americas top 1>=APAC but < EU
I'd also say they're 7-8th best teams are so much better than that of EMEA and APAC. 100T or SEN would likely be much better than BBL, TH, RRQ and GES.
So they are definitely in debate for the number one team
funny_prank [#23]wait isn't ur whole personality hating on loud?
He's in the rebellious phase apparently
miniature [#22]In no way am I intending to nor do I truly think I am detracting from their massive comeback; BUT a team does usually have to lack the ability to close in order for a comeback to be possible. Now, how DEEP that problem is determines how hard another team has to work to achieve the comeback; Loud aren't weak.
But perhaps Sacy/Pancada added an element they no longer have and they have to figure out how to compensate to maintain their position internationally.
They have the potential to be better than the previous iteration. tuyz has a very high peak already for such a young, relatively unmolded player, and cauanzin has a higher skill ceiling than aspas IMO, which says a lot, but he's nowhere near as versatile as Sacy and is not an S-tier initiator utility-wise. But for both of them, that'll come with time
This LOUD roster could be the undisputed #1 with a mental coach, but I feel the same about C9, Liquid, NAVI, and DRX. Just a matter of time before one of them invests more heavily in that and becomes the pinnacle of VAL
Completely unrelated - what do you think TGRD's chances of making it to Champions League are? I think they are favorites for NA Challengers, and they have a bit of international experience, but getting mentally boomed seems to be their most significant gripe currently
1cameh [#11]hard disagree. Chadhaak's teams have always been better than Chronicle's up until FNC. Don't think you can really call LOCK//IN a lucky win considering how mentally boomed FNC were and how much LOUD were thriving at 11-3 up. The mental resilience to make that comeback is immense - especially already being down 2-0 in the series, saying that LOUD are a far better team overall is... extrapolating, for sure.
re: 2 teams with unknown players... not really. Except for tuyz, all of the players he has played with have been top players in Brazil since aspas & friends was a thing
Either way, don't think Chronicle is the goat even though he is the most accomplished player. He is the best flex player for sure - rated top2 EMEA up until this grand final, but I'd have to argue more for Boaster or Derke being the goat.
Gambit roster clears any other roster possible. The reason why they failed in 2022 was no org support and d3ffo scoliosis(unlucky for him tbh, hope he gets better soon), EMEA finals had 3 Gambit players, and if you swap soulcas with sheydos lulquid would have reached the finals way easier, because unlike soulcas sheydos doesn't shit his pants under pressure(not saying that soulcas is bad, he just needs a psychologist because his aim is easily suygetsu/sheydos level).
1cameh [#27]They have the potential to be better than the previous iteration. tuyz has a very high peak already for such a young, relatively unmolded player, and cauanzin has a higher skill ceiling than aspas IMO, which says a lot, but he's nowhere near as versatile as Sacy and is not an S-tier initiator utility-wise. But for both of them, that'll come with time
This LOUD roster could be the undisputed #1 with a mental coach, but I feel the same about C9, Liquid, NAVI, and DRX. Just a matter of time before one of them invests more heavily in that and becomes the pinnacle of VAL
Completely unrelated - what do you think TGRD's chances of making it to Champions League are? I think they are favorites for NA Challengers, and they have a bit of international experience, but getting mentally boomed seems to be their most significant gripe currently
I think mental isnt the direct issue i think nobody has the courage to take that team a step further than they are naturally as far as what they can bring to the Valorant Server.
Josh is a VERY vigilant coach
edit: im just sayin shit, josh is my boy Im just pulling old opinions back to light. theyve been doing alot behind the scenes
miniature [#29]I think mental isnt the direct issue i think nobody has the courage to take that team a step further than they are naturally as far as what they can bring to the Valorant Server.
Josh is a VERY vigilant coach
edit: im just sayin shit, josh is my boy Im just pulling old opinions back to light. theyve been doing alot behind the scenes
Who u got in them vs M80?
moatz [#30]Who u got in them vs M80?
thats the exact matchup id say they have to take a step in an alternate direction bc they will prolly not win if m80 does their due diligence
Sareo [#25]Americas looks pretty good, especially teams like LOUD and NRG but they do not stand a chance against the likes of Fnatic, DRX and EDG. Give them a few years and I can see Americas dominating the scene, but I wont be expecting much this year.
what reasoning do you have for putting EDG up with Fnatic and DRX? last international tourney they lost to 100T
Itsover [#28]Gambit roster clears any other roster possible. The reason why they failed in 2022 was no org support and d3ffo scoliosis(unlucky for him tbh, hope he gets better soon), EMEA finals had 3 Gambit players, and if you swap soulcas with sheydos lulquid would have reached the finals way easier, because unlike soulcas sheydos doesn't shit his pants under pressure(not saying that soulcas is bad, he just needs a psychologist because his aim is easily suygetsu/sheydos level).
We're extrapolating to say they clear any other roster. D3ffo was a consistent liability in matches - they had great strats, consistency, and teamplay, but mechanically, he was a massive hole. Compare him to any other top duelist - Derke, aspas, leaf, ardiis, Sayf, demon1 - he just wasn't up to snuff back then, and he most certainly isn't now.
I don't disagree on the Sheydos point, he's fucking cracked, but realistically, any roster from 2022 would not be able to compete with teams now. Maybe if Gambit stuck around until now they could've, but Gambit 2022 would not compete with LOUD, NRG, FNC, Liquid, DRX, PRX 2023
miniature [#29]I think mental isnt the direct issue i think nobody has the courage to take that team a step further than they are naturally as far as what they can bring to the Valorant Server.
Josh is a VERY vigilant coach
edit: im just sayin shit, josh is my boy Im just pulling old opinions back to light. theyve been doing alot behind the scenes
What do you believe the direct issue is, then?
Fair point
Surprised you say M80 would cream them, M80 have fallen off from their peak in Split 1 IMO. They don't look more refined and they've been struggling, although competition has skyrocketed. Moist look incredible with bonkar on the coach role, I could easily see them winning things too, esp since bonkar has EU anti-strat experience
1cameh [#34]What do you believe the direct issue is, then?
Fair point
Surprised you say M80 would cream them, M80 have fallen off from their peak in Split 1 IMO. They don't look more refined and they've been struggling, although competition has skyrocketed. Moist look incredible with bonkar on the coach role, I could easily see them winning things too, esp since bonkar has EU anti-strat experience
ok im ngl i just said that word cuz i was overstimulated prescrim, i think koalagokill.exe is very effective if you are allowed to know everything a team is gonna do.
miniature [#35]ok im ngl i just said that word cuz i was overstimulated prescrim, i think koalagokill.exe is very effective if you are allowed to know everything a team is gonna do.
he has an insane peak, all of m80 do, I think they have a higher skill ceiling than TGRD but aren't showing it this split
completely unrelated, but do the names recky, dVeen, or clone mean anything to you? used to play with them back in ESEA and I swear I recognize your name from those days
Cresp [#8]EG’s playstyle is to punish other teams playstyles.
If you think NRG’s playstyle is dependent on firepower idk what to say tbh.
Loud is kinda both very good tactically but also does like to take duels.
C9 is also kinda both but they are very good at reading and being proactive.
If EG are given time to cook, they Can win against any team (except Loud, Saadhak is just too op)
Schizophrenic_Brazil_Fan [#37]If EG are given time to cook, they Can win against any team (except Loud, Saadhak is just too op)
Loud is hard to anti because if they are on fire you literally cant do anything.
Danny [#32]what reasoning do you have for putting EDG up with Fnatic and DRX? last international tourney they lost to 100T
they looked really good in FGC act 2, definitely improved after the 100T match in lock in
1cameh [#36]he has an insane peak, all of m80 do, I think they have a higher skill ceiling than TGRD but aren't showing it this split
completely unrelated, but do the names recky, dVeen, or clone mean anything to you? used to play with them back in ESEA and I swear I recognize your name from those days
i forget who clone played for im not bros with any of em but yea i know them. TGRD imo have a higher full 5 skill peak, but i think M80 just got lazy lowkey.
Sareo [#41]they looked really good in FGC act 2, definitely improved after the 100T match in lock in
They didn’t even flawless the tournament and it’s in china☠️
Fnatic would legit 13-0 them
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