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Old Loud vs Lock in Fnatic
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Shidoh [#10]fnatic would get demolished by the old loud roster
no lol
bronzillians making excuses why they lost
"oH wE woUlD hAvE iF wE hAd oUr olD roStEr!!"
Luck_ [#12]no lol
bronzillians making excuses why they lost
"oH wE woUlD hAvE iF wE hAd oUr olD roStEr!!"
Capppp eg owns shitnatic. Old Loud would actually put up a good fight against eg.
sentinelmain377 [#8]lock in Fnc easily
tf is this question
im with you on this one bro we have to fight off the delusinal bronzillians together!
Luck_ [#12]no lol
bronzillians making excuses why they lost
"oH wE woUlD hAvE iF wE hAd oUr olD roStEr!!"
bro your superteam almost lost to saadhak + 4 kids
2 rounds away btw
Shidoh [#7]obviously old loud
Chronicle vs Sacy/Saadhak: 2-0
Chronicle/Boaster/Derke/Leo/Alfajer vs Pancada: 1-0
Chronicle/Boaster/Derke/Leo/Alfajer vs Less/Aspas: 1-0
Luck_ [#16]im with you on this one bro we have to fight off the delusinal bronzillians together!
are you 8yo or what
Shidoh [#17]bro your superteam almost lost to saadhak + 4 kids
2 rounds away btw
stop coping mr bronzil fnatic won the match. if it wasnt for caunazin they wouldnt have even made top 4 btw so be humble because the two newbies are great.
Lock In Fnatic.
Reasons:
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Leo is an upgrade over Sacy (Insane utility and aim)
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Chronicle offers everything Pancada does but with every agent in the game.
(200 ACS average on every agent is not a JOKE in tier 1 Valorant + Internationals) -
Derke was a top duelist but he truly elevated above Aspas after being able to play more aggressive and his style without worrying about Magnum or Doma dying in the first second of the game.
sentinelmain377 [#18]Chronicle vs Sacy/Saadhak: 2-0
Chronicle/Boaster/Derke/Leo/Alfajer vs Pancada: 1-0
Chronicle/Boaster/Derke/Leo/Alfajer vs Less/Aspas: 1-0
“Individual matchup stats will show them🤓🤓🤓🤓”
Shownu [#21]Lock In Fnatic.
Reasons:
Leo is an upgrade over Sacy (Insane utility and aim)
Chronicle offers everything Pancada does but with every agent in the game.
(200 ACS average on every agent is not a JOKE in tier 1 Valorant + Internationals)Derke was a top duelist but he truly elevated above Aspas after being able to play more aggressive and his style without worrying about Magnum or Doma dying in the first second of the game.
exactly these bronzillians are so dumb lmao
coping so hard
Luck_ [#24]exactly these bronzillians are so dumb lmao
coping so hard
I'm not even trying to be biased. Lock has proved that Boaster, Derke and Alfajer can match Less, Aspas and Saadhak. Adding Leo who is better than Sacy no debate and Chronicle the best flex itw is easy pickings.
Shownu [#21]Lock In Fnatic.
Reasons:
Leo is an upgrade over Sacy (Insane utility and aim)
Chronicle offers everything Pancada does but with every agent in the game.
(200 ACS average on every agent is not a JOKE in tier 1 Valorant + Internationals)Derke was a top duelist but he truly elevated above Aspas after being able to play more aggressive and his style without worrying about Magnum or Doma dying in the first second of the game.
I think 3 is probably more related to chamber vs Jett, Jett just allowed him to be more aggressive. The upgrades def added support tho.
Luck_ [#12]no lol
bronzillians making excuses why they lost
"oH wE woUlD hAvE iF wE hAd oUr olD roStEr!!"
Oce fans should be really commenting on this Topic?
G2Mimi_Is_Mommy [#26]I think 3 is probably more related to chamber vs Jett, Jett just allowed him to be more aggressive. The upgrades def added support tho.
Nope. Derke got fully unlocked now that he can trust his teammates to not have to play his life and 1v9
Shownu [#25]I'm not even trying to be biased. Lock has proved that Boaster, Derke and Alfajer can match Less, Aspas and Saadhak. Adding Leo who is better than Sacy no debate and Chronicle the best flex itw is easy pickings.
mhm. they are tring to argue that if they had sacy and pancada they would have won but really the fnatic players clear them too. they are dissing their new player bro these bronzillians cant decide. one minute they are calling sacy a $nake, next one they are saying they want him back. fuckers are forgetting nrg would have beat them and missed out on top 4 if it wasnt for cauanzin yet they shittalk them anyway lmao
fuck bronzillians are retarded
firefirefirefire [#27]Oce fans should be really commenting on this Topic?
this has nothing to do with my region lil bro. i have a set of working eyes to see that all 5 of the fnatic players are better than loud and they won the match, sgtop crying and cope that you lost
SANEST_TENZ_FAN [#29]Leo > Sacy
Saadhak > Boaster
Pancada == Chronicle
Aspas == Derke
Less > Alfa
fr0d height > mini
Get real tho aspas > derke. If it wasnt for loud playing jett on every map super dominantly, then derke would be better but aspas on jett just always fucking works.
Luck_ [#31]this has nothing to do with my region lil bro. i have a set of working eyes to see that all 5 of the fnatic players are better than loud and they won the match, sgtop crying and cope that you lost
cope with what lol, i dont give a fuck a about that Mickey mouse tournament
Shownu [#21]Lock In Fnatic.
Reasons:
Leo is an upgrade over Sacy (Insane utility and aim)
Chronicle offers everything Pancada does but with every agent in the game.
(200 ACS average on every agent is not a JOKE in tier 1 Valorant + Internationals)Derke was a top duelist but he truly elevated above Aspas after being able to play more aggressive and his style without worrying about Magnum or Doma dying in the first second of the game.
But even with tuyz and cauanzin on Loud, FNC almost lost lol
pugz [#34]But even with tuyz and cauanzin on Loud, FNC almost lost lol
They were about to 3-0 demolish them in Brazil. Momentum is huge and it shifted and got them 2 maps back to back.
Shownu [#35]They were about to 3-0 demolish them in Brazil. Momentum is huge and it shifted and got them 2 maps back to back.
They still went to ot in map 5? Still wouldve gone either way? That doesnt change anything it happens, the best teams are able to pull off comebacks. Fnatic was better form that day they won.
BrotherMan [#13]that one would be close but id say optic cuz bias
Why is it close vs Optic but LOUD slams them? Optic and LOUD on same level bro
Shownu [#35]They were about to 3-0 demolish them in Brazil. Momentum is huge and it shifted and got them 2 maps back to back.
Sorry but this is a stupid argument
I can say too that Loud lost their best map(Ascent), if they have won that, it would have been 3 - 1 for them aswell
And maybe with sacy and pancada they could have closed Icebox
firefirefirefire [#33]cope with what lol, i dont give a fuck a about that Mickey mouse tournament
then wtf is the problem? also nice funcrew flair 😹
Simp4S0m [#37]Why is it close vs Optic but LOUD slams them? Optic and LOUD on same level bro
Old Loud ceiling > optic ceiling. Everyone on old loud was cracked out of their mind, not everyone on optic was cracked (fns). Obviously doesnt mean loud is better is just that on good days loud would look way more unstoppable.
Luck_ [#39]then wtf is the problem? also nice funcrew flair 😹
i love their logo, first i thought it was a :skull: only to see that cute panda
firefirefirefire [#41]i love their logo, first i thought it was a :skull: only to see that cute panda
LOL W
Cresp [#40]Old Loud ceiling > optic ceiling. Everyone on old loud was cracked out of their mind, not everyone on optic was cracked (fns). Obviously doesnt mean loud is better is just that on good days loud would look way more unstoppable.
bro no fns = no optix x-x
SANEST_TENZ_FAN [#29]Leo > Sacy
Saadhak > Boaster
Pancada == Chronicle
Aspas == Derke
Less > Alfa
fr0d height > mini
Chron clears pancada, he's a way better fragger.
Luck_ [#16]im with you on this one bro we have to fight off the delusinal bronzillians together!
I hate Brazilians as much as the next guy but old LOUD would win lmao
Cresp [#40]Old Loud ceiling > optic ceiling. Everyone on old loud was cracked out of their mind, not everyone on optic was cracked (fns). Obviously doesnt mean loud is better is just that on good days loud would look way more unstoppable.
Yay, Marved, Crashies: Victor creating a ton of space: Fenis with his goat igling
Just having good aim is not enough. SEN is a good example of that
Both teams were at the same level. Both teams would also 26-0 FNC on a good day
Nilonesia [#44]bro no fns = no optix x-x
I know but his ceiling is just lower than the other players. His calling is probably the best in the game but sometimes when everyone is on point and you keep getting shut down it just happens. Fns is my goat igl (after boostio) but he has his weakneses.
moatz [#47]Yay, Marved, Crashies: Victor creating a ton of space: Fenis with his goat igling
Just having good aim is not enough. SEN is a good example of that
Both teams were at the same level. Both teams would also 26-0 FNC on a good day
Both teams have amazing players, dont get it twisted. But loud’s mechanical ceiling was much higher which allows the team to have much better days than optic. Also sadhaak is a great igl loud isnt all aim, it just has better aimers overall which allows them to outperform optic’s ceiling.
Cresp [#32]Get real tho aspas > derke. If it wasnt for loud playing jett on every map super dominantly, then derke would be better but aspas on jett just always fucking works.
How is aspas>derke when derke has better stats in every tournament they played together
GreyDaze [#50]How is aspas>derke when derke has better stats in every tournament they played together
Derke had easier games in lock/in aspas became the goat this year not the last.
Cresp [#51]Derke had easier games in lock/in aspas became the goat this year not the last.
Lol how. Fnc arguably had the toughest run. Faced a then touted to be super team(sen),a top 4 if not top 3 team in americas(furia), considered to be best na team by many b4 lock in(100t) and a now top 4 team itw(navi). Compare that to loud who had only nrg and drx as their tough opponents. Also I am not only talking about lock in but also Copenhagen and Istanbul where derke had better stats than aspas
Cresp [#51]Derke had easier games in lock/in aspas became the goat this year not the last.
it doesnt matter who had harder games tf
Cresp [#49]Both teams have amazing players, dont get it twisted. But loud’s mechanical ceiling was much higher which allows the team to have much better days than optic. Also sadhaak is a great igl loud isnt all aim, it just has better aimers overall which allows them to outperform optic’s ceiling.
100% agree but just to drift a bit.. Bro, why doesn't NRG literally just take some time to improve their, like if we were rating teams just off of playing together/strats/anti-strats. NRG is would be top 2 if not 1 but it feels like the only thing that ever goes "wrong" for them is their mechanics. Not that they are bad just that everyone else in the league is just so indidvually skilled so even if they do have an insane strat someone can just out-aim them and it all goes to waste.
It feels like when i watch NRG, they always get out-aimed in crucial but never do they out-aim their when they really need to on an eco. Obviously aim is not the end all be all obv, but I feel like they have everything else going well for then, so why not just then put a little time for the individual weaker players to improve their aim to get upto par with everyone else in the league. Just like how they scrim and improve strats and teamwork, i feel like they can improve their aim aswell? I honest to GOD think thats the only that's really "holding" them back to hit their peek. As soon as they do that they are good because their teamwork and strats are alr S+tier I feel like.
Big NRG Fan here btw.
GreyDaze [#54]Lol how. Fnc arguably had the toughest run. Faced a then touted to be super team(sen),a top 4 if not top 3 team in americas(furia), considered to be best na team by many b4 lock in(100t) and a now top 4 team itw(navi). Compare that to loud who had only nrg and drx as their tough opponents. Also I am not only talking about lock in but also Copenhagen and Istanbul where derke had better stats than aspas
Last year aspas wasnt as good, this year he is the goat. Also aspas had to play drx which has always beaten navi, and play an nrg who looked better than 100t by miles. Even a geng which actually looked competent. We all know how bad sen is and was, and how mid furia is lil bro.
acels2 [#56]it doesnt matter who had harder games tf
More rounds = worse stats. Farming worse players = higher stats lil bro.
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