People are mad china gets 3 slots despite just being 1 country
But none of you NA clowns complained that NA got 3 slots for champions 2022 despite being 1.5 countries at half the population size
b-b-b-bUt FaRAaDay, ChiNA iSNt aS gOod As oTHeR rEgIOns
NA had only 1 team for pre franchising that was actually good enough to win, why did NA get 3 instead of just 1 for optic
If you EMEA or smth then go off ig but NA ppl shouldn't have an opinion
Pubba [#4]sen won iceland and 100t beat prime gambit and acend. a rookie 100t beat a good fnatic and xset beat fpx (not the turret game) .not saying theyre the best region but give credit where its due
Yeah sen won the first tournament in VCT and after that did nothing
Post first tourney of VCT NA did nothing
100T beat gambit in groups, not a actual win
ACEND are flukes
This also happened in 2021
Pubba [#4]sen won iceland and 100t beat prime gambit and acend. a rookie 100t beat a good fnatic and xset beat fpx (not the turret game) .not saying theyre the best region but give credit where its due
sen won iceland and did fuckall afterthat ...100t beat gambit and acend then imploded after that ...other than optic na teams in 2022 were guard bombed out of iceland wthout a win xset bombed out of copenhagen without a win ....100t got grouped at champs....xset improved a lot though and got 5-6 at champs but that was it from NA at most in 2022 they were 1.5 team region
anay [#10]sen won iceland and did fuckall afterthat ...100t beat gambit and acend then imploded after that ...other than optic na teams in 2022 were guard bombed out of iceland wthout a win xset bombed out of copenhagen without a win ....100t got grouped at champs....xset improved a lot though and got 5-6 at champs but that was it from NA at most in 2022 they were 1.5 team region
Blud talking like EMEA was good last year excepting FPX.
Blazieboy [#11]Blud talking like EMEA was good last year excepting FPX.
better than NA at least
EMEA - Gambit, Acend, FPX, and NAVI/FNC
NA - SEN (Reykjavik) and OPTIC
MuZe [#13]He was slightly incorrect yeah, it's mostly OCE complaining about china slots
the two aussies there just said China won't win, nothing about it being right or wrong?
What are you talking about
Warlordwibz [#15]China will have their own franchise next year anyway, good way to introduce them in Champions no?
Also RIOT treat every region equally with slots, no extra western slots nepotism like CS.
You're fucking deluded if you think CS has any nepotism. It's actually the most deserving teams around the world, and most of them are western. If Asia wasn't dogshit in CS, they'd get more slots.
If anything, nepotism exists in Valorant, when China with 0 achievements, gets as many spots as EMEA, simply because Riot is owned by Tencent. That's fucking nepotism and you better learn the meaning of the word.
dapada [#12]better than NA at least
EMEA - Gambit, Acend, FPX, and NAVI/FNC
NA - SEN (Reykjavik) and OPTIC
My arguments were about last year though. Overall I agree that EMEA > NA.
hekzy [#16]You're fucking deluded if you think CS has any nepotism. It's actually the most deserving teams around the world, and most of them are western. If Asia wasn't dogshit in CS, they'd get more slots.
If anything, nepotism exists in Valorant, when China with 0 achievements, gets as many spots as EMEA, simply because Riot is owned by Tencent. That's fucking nepotism and you better learn the meaning of the word.
the idea is to give everyone equal opportunity of growth, China is a year behind if u give them less spots they'll never catch up to everyone else. To get all region equal u should give them equal spots. If not the term minor/major region will rise again and NA complaining they only get 5 spots in Americas cause they get treated equally with South American counterpart.
hekzy [#16]You're fucking deluded if you think CS has any nepotism. It's actually the most deserving teams around the world, and most of them are western. If Asia wasn't dogshit in CS, they'd get more slots.
If anything, nepotism exists in Valorant, when China with 0 achievements, gets as many spots as EMEA, simply because Riot is owned by Tencent. That's fucking nepotism and you better learn the meaning of the word.
valve is dogshit
hekzy [#16]You're fucking deluded if you think CS has any nepotism. It's actually the most deserving teams around the world, and most of them are western. If Asia wasn't dogshit in CS, they'd get more slots.
If anything, nepotism exists in Valorant, when China with 0 achievements, gets as many spots as EMEA, simply because Riot is owned by Tencent. That's fucking nepotism and you better learn the meaning of the word.
In league of legends, a taiwanese/korean/chinese team has won the world championship every year since season 2(season 1 only EU and NA teams were invited). That is every single year since 2012, over a decade. Despite that, for the majority of league of legends history, NA and EU have enjoyed the same number of slots that korea/china received(3) with korea/china only getting a single extra slot in recent years.
I've been watch pro league of legends since 2011. I can guarantee if riot wanted to make the most competitive tournament they could in that game with the most "deserving" teams, they would invite 6 korean teams, 8 chinese teams and maybe throw EU/NA a single slot each. But have they ever done that? No. Will they ever do that(in the forseeable future)? No. Why? Because their e-sports are primarily global marketing exercises for their games.
People cry nepotism china this nepotism china that without actually using their brains. It's insufferable. It's just about $$$ and identifying untapped viewership wherever it may be found.
Selex [#20]In league of legends, a taiwanese/korean/chinese team has won the world championship every year since season 2(season 1 only EU and NA teams were invited). That is every single year since 2012, over a decade. Despite that, for the majority of league of legends history, NA and EU have enjoyed the same number of slots that korea/china received(3) with korea/china only getting a single extra slot in recent years.
I've been watch pro league of legends since 2011. I can guarantee if riot wanted to make the most competitive tournament they could in that game with the most "deserving" teams, they would invite 6 korean teams, 8 chinese teams and maybe throw EU/NA a single slot each. But have they ever done that? No. Will they ever do that(in the forseeable future)? No. Why? Because their e-sports are primarily global marketing exercises for their games.
People cry nepotism china this nepotism china that without actually using their brains. It's insufferable. It's just about $$$ and identifying untapped viewership wherever it may be found.
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Selex [#20]In league of legends, a taiwanese/korean/chinese team has won the world championship every year since season 2(season 1 only EU and NA teams were invited). That is every single year since 2012, over a decade. Despite that, for the majority of league of legends history, NA and EU have enjoyed the same number of slots that korea/china received(3) with korea/china only getting a single extra slot in recent years.
I've been watch pro league of legends since 2011. I can guarantee if riot wanted to make the most competitive tournament they could in that game with the most "deserving" teams, they would invite 6 korean teams, 8 chinese teams and maybe throw EU/NA a single slot each. But have they ever done that? No. Will they ever do that(in the forseeable future)? No. Why? Because their e-sports are primarily global marketing exercises for their games.
People cry nepotism china this nepotism china that without actually using their brains. It's insufferable. It's just about $$$ and identifying untapped viewership wherever it may be found.
I'm not a riot shareholder, so why can't I complain about riot's disregard for fairness just to make more money? are you riot shareholder? If not, so why is it insufferable to you?
Faraday [#23]#5
Isn't New Zealand apart of the Oceania region?
Edit: I just realized bro said aussie, on me
monitar [#24]I'm not a riot shareholder, so why can't I complain about riot's disregard for fairness just to make more money? are you riot shareholder? If not, so why is it insufferable to you?
It's your right to cry. It's absolutely futile but it is your right. I just wonder hypothetically if in 5 years you'd cry if china was dominating valorant as korea/china do in LoL but they were still "unfairly" receiving the same slots as all the lesser "undeserving" regions.
And it's insufferable because people are bitching and moaning while attributing the decision just to nepotism. It annoys me when people are stupid and don't understand things. I guess that kinda makes me an asshole, but i guess i also have the right to bitch and moan.
Warlordwibz [#18]the idea is to give everyone equal opportunity of growth, China is a year behind if u give them less spots they'll never catch up to everyone else. To get all region equal u should give them equal spots. If not the term minor/major region will rise again and NA complaining they only get 5 spots in Americas cause they get treated equally with South American counterpart.
Difference is South America is hard diffing them right now, so they can't complain. It's ACTUALLY FAIR.
Selex [#20]In league of legends, a taiwanese/korean/chinese team has won the world championship every year since season 2(season 1 only EU and NA teams were invited). That is every single year since 2012, over a decade. Despite that, for the majority of league of legends history, NA and EU have enjoyed the same number of slots that korea/china received(3) with korea/china only getting a single extra slot in recent years.
I've been watch pro league of legends since 2011. I can guarantee if riot wanted to make the most competitive tournament they could in that game with the most "deserving" teams, they would invite 6 korean teams, 8 chinese teams and maybe throw EU/NA a single slot each. But have they ever done that? No. Will they ever do that(in the forseeable future)? No. Why? Because their e-sports are primarily global marketing exercises for their games.
People cry nepotism china this nepotism china that without actually using their brains. It's insufferable. It's just about $$$ and identifying untapped viewership wherever it may be found.
Thanks for admitting Riot cares about marketing/money/outreach over competitive integrity (and before you say "oh it's a company what'd you expect", i'd like to remind you that they are incredibly profitable and are just fucking greedy). Thanks for admitting Val esports is a fucking circus too, just clout and nothing else. That's why Val is dying, because FPS players actually give a fuck about competitive integrity. Viewership will continue to decline as long as Riot think this is some sort of WWE type of event.
soraol [#19]valve is dogshit
boohoo cry me a river, at least I don't have to pluck my fucking eyes out watching dogshit teams. If that's your taste, it's your problem, go watch FGC.
Aladeeen [#29]Aussie chinese spotted
Opinion rejected
I'm not chinese or aussie
south african kiwi, better luck next time dumbass
hekzy [#30]Thanks for admitting Riot cares about marketing/money/outreach over competitive integrity (and before you say "oh it's a company what'd you expect", i'd like to remind you that they are incredibly profitable and are just fucking greedy). Thanks for admitting Val esports is a fucking circus too, just clout and nothing else. That's why Val is dying, because FPS players actually give a fuck about competitive integrity. Viewership will continue to decline as long as Riot think this is some sort of WWE type of event.
Yea. You're exaggerating. No one's gonna take you seriously when you say such alarmist bs. Valorant will be fine. Just like league of legends is fine. Also, not tapping into china would be a serious mistake. In league of legends, china alone brings in more profit for riot than all the other regions combined. I want you to really think about that last statement for a moment. Alone china does that. Call them greedy if you want, but assuming they have the same aspirations for valorant, they would be insane not to preempt and support chinese valorant as much as possible.
Selex [#33]Yea. You're exaggerating. No one's gonna take you seriously when you say such alarmist bs. Valorant will be fine. Just like league of legends is fine. Also, not tapping into china would be a serious mistake. In league of legends, china alone brings in more profit for riot than all the other regions combined. I want you to really think about that last statement for a moment. Alone china does that. Call them greedy if you want, but assuming they have the same aspirations for valorant, they would be insane not to preempt and support chinese valorant as much as possible.
No eSport has ever survived or been taken seriously without the west. And valorant is already dying in EMEA/LATAM/BR. It's dead in CIS. Literally the last bastion of Western Valorant is NA, and they are very quick to abandon games. Once NA leaves, which is inevitable because they always do that, we'll be singing kumbayah.
The viewership is constantly declining, the eSport cannot survive without content creators producing clout, franchising literally killed tier2 in half of the world. The integrity is that of a clown show and all those combined will result in EMEA literally leaving the game. And tell me one popular esport that EMEA is not a part of. Omegalulwatch? Mobile games?
Faraday [#32]I'm not chinese or aussie
south african kiwi, better luck next time dumbass
Kuwait
South Africa
Pick one
Faraday [#5]must be a fake flagger
because you got NA education
Learn your flags negative iq poster
Aussie talking KEKW
hekzy [#34]No eSport has ever survived or been taken seriously without the west. And valorant is already dying in EMEA/LATAM/BR. It's dead in CIS. Literally the last bastion of Western Valorant is NA, and they are very quick to abandon games. Once NA leaves, which is inevitable because they always do that, we'll be singing kumbayah.
The viewership is constantly declining, the eSport cannot survive without content creators producing clout, franchising literally killed tier2 in half of the world. The integrity is that of a clown show and all those combined will result in EMEA literally leaving the game. And tell me one popular esport that EMEA is not a part of. Omegalulwatch? Mobile games?
No eSport has ever survived or been taken seriously without the west
Someone doesn't know their e-sports history. A game called starcraft: brood war survived just fine for more than a decade in south korea without the west. That game and the influence it's had on the history of e-sports is why for most of the 2000s south korea was called the mecca of e-sports. Also, you're being pretty foolish. We're talking about giving international event slots. You're attempting to loop in a bunch of other bullshit and acting as if it's all because of riot's efforts to support china.
Valorant has never been super popular in europe, primarily because the premier tac fps is still csgo over there. And the reason valorant is dead in CIS is similar to the reason it's struggled in europe except on top of that, Russia invaded Ukraine last year and that event completely fucked over any chance Valorant had in the cis region. Riot has had to completely withdraw any support of the region because of sanctions and that isn't changing any time soon.
As for the viewership, it's fine. Is it exploding like riot would have hoped? No. But it's okay and valorant is definitely one of the most successful e-sports in the west/world. The tier 2 scene definitely hasn't been handled the best but that has fuck all to do with what I was talking about. Also, ever heard of cross-fire, that game has had a vibrant and successful pro scene in china since the late 2000s. Europe isn't some god given region. Even if valorant full on dies in europe, which it won't, it can still do just fine if it persists in NA and asia.
edit: like i said, if you exaggerate shit, no one's gonna take you seriously
Warlordwibz [#18]the idea is to give everyone equal opportunity of growth, China is a year behind if u give them less spots they'll never catch up to everyone else. To get all region equal u should give them equal spots. If not the term minor/major region will rise again and NA complaining they only get 5 spots in Americas cause they get treated equally with South American counterpart.
I agree, just one thing - China is 3 years behind actually. They're only starting closed beta Valorant in 2 days from now. Most current CN pro players are likely only those with friends from Taiwan and Hong Kong, CN servers ofc don't exist so all the current players are on VPNs and playing off KR/JP servers. Considering that they've already looked equally matched against both PRX and 100T, the potential the region has when its playerbase actually grows is insane to imagine.
hekzy [#16]You're fucking deluded if you think CS has any nepotism. It's actually the most deserving teams around the world, and most of them are western. If Asia wasn't dogshit in CS, they'd get more slots.
If anything, nepotism exists in Valorant, when China with 0 achievements, gets as many spots as EMEA, simply because Riot is owned by Tencent. That's fucking nepotism and you better learn the meaning of the word.
Jesus christ are cs go players like you that braindead? How do you expect a region to improve if they do not have enough international exposure. That's the downside of giving spots to the "most deserving team" , you're neglecting other region regardless if how trash they are. How this weak regions can improve is by letting them play against top tier teams and not just isolating them out. And "nepotism" I would love to hear how giving Cina 3 slots have anything to do with nepotis, it's more like giving more regions a chance to play at the highest level unlike CSGO.
hekzy [#34]No eSport has ever survived or been taken seriously without the west. And valorant is already dying in EMEA/LATAM/BR. It's dead in CIS. Literally the last bastion of Western Valorant is NA, and they are very quick to abandon games. Once NA leaves, which is inevitable because they always do that, we'll be singing kumbayah.
The viewership is constantly declining, the eSport cannot survive without content creators producing clout, franchising literally killed tier2 in half of the world. The integrity is that of a clown show and all those combined will result in EMEA literally leaving the game. And tell me one popular esport that EMEA is not a part of. Omegalulwatch? Mobile games?
"The viewership is constantly declining," have you seen how much viewership they have during master or are you just looking at regional qualifiers viewership and then making conclusion that the game is dying ? Not to mention , valorant is already dying in EMEA/LATAM/BR. Bro have you not seen how many BR and EMEA teams that are starting to enter the valorant scene or are you just purposely being ignorant ?
Selex [#38]No eSport has ever survived or been taken seriously without the west
Someone doesn't know their e-sports history. A game called starcraft: brood war survived just fine for more than a decade in south korea without the west. That game and the influence it's had on the history of e-sports is why for most of the 2000s south korea was called the mecca of e-sports. Also, you're being pretty foolish. We're talking about giving international event slots. You're attempting to loop in a bunch of other bullshit and acting as if it's all because of riot's efforts to support china.
Valorant has never been super popular in europe, primarily because the premier tac fps is still csgo over there. And the reason valorant is dead in CIS is similar to the reason it's struggled in europe except on top of that, Russia invaded Ukraine last year and that event completely fucked over any chance Valorant had in the cis region. Riot has had to completely withdraw any support of the region because of sanctions and that isn't changing any time soon.
As for the viewership, it's fine. Is it exploding like riot would have hoped? No. But it's okay and valorant is definitely one of the most successful e-sports in the west/world. The tier 2 scene definitely hasn't been handled the best but that has fuck all to do with what I was talking about. Also, ever heard of cross-fire, that game has had a vibrant and successful pro scene in china since the late 2000s. Europe isn't some god given region. Even if valorant full on dies in europe, which it won't, it can still do just fine if it persists in NA and asia.
edit: like i said, if you exaggerate shit, no one's gonna take you seriously
Lets not forget about League Of Legends as well where they have a huge fanbase in Korea and China
Aladeeen [#35]Kuwait
South AfricaPick one
My flag isn't kuwait, that your one
Born south african, living in New Zealand
how is this so confusing to you????
vooooooooooooooooooooooop [#42]Lets not forget about League Of Legends as well where they have a huge fanbase in Korea and China
Yep. Even if league of legends were to die in Europe/NA, it would still thrive in korea/china for the foreseeable future.
Aladeeen [#35]Kuwait
South AfricaPick one
When tf did he ever mention Kuwait?? 💀💀. Also thats the new zealand flag lil bro
Selex [#38]No eSport has ever survived or been taken seriously without the west
Someone doesn't know their e-sports history. A game called starcraft: brood war survived just fine for more than a decade in south korea without the west. That game and the influence it's had on the history of e-sports is why for most of the 2000s south korea was called the mecca of e-sports. Also, you're being pretty foolish. We're talking about giving international event slots. You're attempting to loop in a bunch of other bullshit and acting as if it's all because of riot's efforts to support china.
Valorant has never been super popular in europe, primarily because the premier tac fps is still csgo over there. And the reason valorant is dead in CIS is similar to the reason it's struggled in europe except on top of that, Russia invaded Ukraine last year and that event completely fucked over any chance Valorant had in the cis region. Riot has had to completely withdraw any support of the region because of sanctions and that isn't changing any time soon.
As for the viewership, it's fine. Is it exploding like riot would have hoped? No. But it's okay and valorant is definitely one of the most successful e-sports in the west/world. The tier 2 scene definitely hasn't been handled the best but that has fuck all to do with what I was talking about. Also, ever heard of cross-fire, that game has had a vibrant and successful pro scene in china since the late 2000s. Europe isn't some god given region. Even if valorant full on dies in europe, which it won't, it can still do just fine if it persists in NA and asia.
edit: like i said, if you exaggerate shit, no one's gonna take you seriously
starcraft: brood war is more dead than my 3 eldest relatives. "Survived" is a reach. It was barely hanging on for an entire decade.
"Valorant has never been super popular in europe" Literally the biggest region, always has been.
Crossfire is a meme. Now I see why you like Valorant being a clownfest so much.
"As for the viewership, it's fine" It's not. The more time passes, the viewership gets lower. And with CS2 coming, it will cut it down to half. And more time passes, and another hype FPS game comes and takes the NA fanbase.
vooooooooooooooooooooooop [#41]"The viewership is constantly declining," have you seen how much viewership they have during master or are you just looking at regional qualifiers viewership and then making conclusion that the game is dying ? Not to mention , valorant is already dying in EMEA/LATAM/BR. Bro have you not seen how many BR and EMEA teams that are starting to enter the valorant scene or are you just purposely being ignorant ?
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2022
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-lock-sao-paulo
And that was all the hype of waiting for 6 months + biggest tournament ever + 30 franchise teams + franchising + 20 new debutting rosters. It's declining real hard. And you'll see in tokyo, it will be even less.
Faraday [#43]My flag isn't kuwait, that your one
Born south african, living in New Zealand
how is this so confusing to you????
Bruh how am I dumb if you had harassment accusations not me? Gl in life dude, but oce and china still irrelevant in fps pls accept that.
hekzy [#46]starcraft: brood war is more dead than my 3 eldest relatives. "Survived" is a reach. It was barely hanging on for an entire decade.
"Valorant has never been super popular in europe" Literally the biggest region, always has been.
Crossfire is a meme. Now I see why you like Valorant being a clownfest so much.
"As for the viewership, it's fine" It's not. The more time passes, the viewership gets lower. And with CS2 coming, it will cut it down to half. And more time passes, and another hype FPS game comes and takes the NA fanbase.
Yep, I can't take you seriously when you say brood-war, the game that birthed e-sports, was just barely hanging on. I can safely ignore any other replies from you. Nothing you say can be taken serious.
Selex [#27]It's your right to cry. It's absolutely futile but it is your right. I just wonder hypothetically if in 5 years you'd cry if china was dominating valorant as korea/china do in LoL but they were still "unfairly" receiving the same slots as all the lesser "undeserving" regions.
And it's insufferable because people are bitching and moaning while attributing the decision just to nepotism. It annoys me when people are stupid and don't understand things. I guess that kinda makes me an asshole, but i guess i also have the right to bitch and moan.
People like you and Faraday exist is one of reasons why I love this world
Selex [#27]It's your right to cry. It's absolutely futile but it is your right. I just wonder hypothetically if in 5 years you'd cry if china was dominating valorant as korea/china do in LoL but they were still "unfairly" receiving the same slots as all the lesser "undeserving" regions.
And it's insufferable because people are bitching and moaning while attributing the decision just to nepotism. It annoys me when people are stupid and don't understand things. I guess that kinda makes me an asshole, but i guess i also have the right to bitch and moan.
china was dominating valorant as korea/china do in LoL
And then you wake up
hekzy [#47]https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2022
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-lock-sao-pauloAnd that was all the hype of waiting for 6 months + biggest tournament ever + 30 franchise teams + franchising + 20 new debutting rosters. It's declining real hard. And you'll see in tokyo, it will be even less.
Bro it's 1.4mil and 1.5mil peak which is almost the same as CS GO what are you smoking ? How is that even a sign of dying ? Don't tell me you see the 60k decrease and conclude that it's dying. If that's the case here you go
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-antwerp-2022
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/intel-extreme-masters-xvii-rio-major-2022
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/blast-premier-world-final-2022
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-katowice-2023-csgo
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/intel-extreme-masters-rio-2023-csgo
vooooooooooooooooooooooop [#54]Bro it's 1.4mil and 1.5mil peak which is almost the same as CS GO what are you smoking ? How is that even a sign of dying ? Don't tell me you see the 60k decrease and conclude that it's dying. If that's the case here you go
https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-stockholm-2021
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/pgl-major-antwerp-2022
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/intel-extreme-masters-xvii-rio-major-2022
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/blast-premier-world-final-2022
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/iem-katowice-2023-csgo
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https://escharts.com/tournaments/csgo/intel-extreme-masters-rio-2023-csgo
4/6 aren't even majors what are you even getting at. Can't even put an argument together.
Selex [#49]Yep, I can't take you seriously when you say brood-war, the game that birthed e-sports, was just barely hanging on. I can safely ignore any other replies from you. Nothing you say can be taken serious.
the game that birthed esports.
Man that's a stretch. Learn your history. Brood was only important in Korea.
Faraday [#5]must be a fake flagger
because you got NA education
Learn your flags negative iq poster
Damn i never realised how similar both flags where. Intresting af.
Blazieboy [#11]Blud talking like EMEA was good last year excepting FPX.
none of the emea teams bombed out,,,g2 won a match liquid made it out of groups in iceland......in copenhagen guild made it out of groups as first seed with optic and loud in same group fnatic made top 4 ....at champs liquid again made it out of groups fpx were top4 and fnc were 6th just like xset so as a region emea > NA even though optic had highest peak
moatz [#64]Sad to see NZ fans having to dickride EU bc they don't have their own circuit
Fuck EU
Not even dickriding china, just hate NA,
simple as
Cat4clysma [#66]All I can see in this thread is people speaking the truth (that smaller regions should have spots, so that they can improve) and people saying "hurr durr, aussie this aussie that".
The moment you guys stop with this futile ad hominem shit you're gonna have decent conversations.
most hot headed brazilian fan
Thank you Cat4clysma
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