Team Strength by Individual players

Based of their proficiency in their roles (including IGLing ability)

Only did the ones I'm most interested in

Fnatic:

Leo - S tier
Derke - S tier
Chronicle - S tier
Alfajer - S tier
Boaster - A+ tier

Loud:

Aspas - S++ Tier
Saadhak - S Tier
Less - S tier
Cauanzin - A+ tier
tuyz - A tier

NAVI:

Suygetsu - S tier
Shao - S tier
Ange1 - S tier
Cned - A+ tier
Zyppan - A tier

DRX:

MaKo - S tier
Foxy9 - A+ tier (might be S tier, Ill decide when DRX plays in next tournament)
Buzz - A+ tier
Rb - A+ tier
stax - S tier
ZestKR - A+ tier

NRG:

FNS - S tier
s0m - A+ tier
ardiis - A tier
crashies - A+ tier
victor - A tier

C9:

Leaf - S tier
Xeppaa - S tier
Zellsis - A tier
runi - A+ tier
jakee - A tier (until we get more data out of him, might be A+)

SEN:

Marved - S tier
Sacy - S tier
Zekken - A+ tier
pAncada - A tier (would be S tier if he was put on smokes, but this is for his proficiency in the Sentinel role)
dephh - A tier

another thread another underrating crashies

ok.

LESS A+? ATLEAST S++, also crashies victor should be minimum S

less is definitely a top 3 sentinel player in the world

less
nats
alfajer/suygetsu

if aspas is on par with derke as best duelist in the world and has a S++ rating

less should also be S++ imo, I LOVE LESS MY KING

less a+ 💀
tuyz a 💀 (should be b)
dephh a tier 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Should less be S?

pancada A tier u crazy u still have time to delete this shit

Squeezhy [#7]

pancada A tier u crazy u still have time to delete this shit

Do you have the attention span to read the note I left next to that

xeppa better than crashies and less....time to log off i guess

LocoMonteiro [#9]

xeppa better than crashies and less....time to log off i guess

Are none of you capable of reading the preface

Nachtel [#8]

Do you have the attention span to read the note I left next to that

dont care btw u saying DRX is "A tier" makes any of your points invalid
lets not talk about crashies "A tier" ahh hell no

this dude just put Boaster on the same tier as Runi...Are you braindead or are you braindead?

Squeezhy [#11]

dont care btw u saying DRX is "A tier" makes any of your points invalid
lets not talk about crashies "A tier" ahh hell no

crashies is goated but I don't think he's Leo, stax, Sacy, or Shao level

Nachtel [#10]

Are none of you capable of reading the preface

ok so u are telling me that if u were building a team and u needed an initiator u are taking xeppa over crashies easily?

dephh A tier 💀💀💀💀💀💀

pewpew [#12]

this dude just put Boaster on the same tier as Runi...Are you braindead or are you braindead?

I'm going to enjoy coming back to this after Tokyo, you little doggy

Fr1tZ [#2]

another thread another underrating crashies

another thread another underrating victor

LocoMonteiro [#14]

ok so u are telling me that if u were building a team and u needed an initiator u are taking xeppa over crashies easily?

What rank are you?

Xeppaa is a flex/flash initiator. He plays Kayo, Skye and Raze, he never plays Sova or fade.

Crashies is a dedicated scan initiator. Sure, he plays skye, but his forte is Sova/fade

They don't play the same role at all.

Now tell me, would you want Xeppaa or Victor?

aspas is not higher than derke or leo lmao

Squeezhy [#7]

pancada A tier u crazy u still have time to delete this shit

pancada on sentinel is mid af

Nachtel [#13]

crashies is goated but I don't think he's Leo, stax, Sacy, or Shao level

he is at the same level, u can replace crashies with any of those players (maybe not Leo) and he will do a great job...

Shit list

alfajer is not S tier imo

and dephh A tier 💀

gamr [#19]

aspas is not higher than derke or leo lmao

aspas is the best duelist itw. Fnatic won because the burden of carry is shared among 4 S tier players which equates to less risk and more overall consistency.

Loud relies on Aspas being online a lot of the time to win.

If we're comparing pure proficiency at jett and raze, Aspas is better than derke no questions asked.

mysterii [#23]

alfajer is not S tier imo

and dephh A tier 💀

I agree that between Chronicle, Leo, and Derke, Alfajer is the worse of the 4, and I spent a solid 4 minutes trying to decide whether he was A+ tier or S tier, but I decided that he clutches wayy too much for his inexperience to exclude him out of S tier.

As for dephh, I think you should give him some time to prove himself under this new roster.

Nachtel [#24]

aspas is the best duelist itw. Fnatic won because the burden of carry is shared among 4 S tier players which equates to less risk and more overall consistency.

Loud relies on Aspas being online a lot of the time to win.

If we're comparing pure proficiency at jett and raze, Aspas is better than derke no questions asked.

Derke was better even in 2022 without having 4 S tier players, but go off bro. i guess it isnt like aspas plays with the best sentinel in the world or an outstanding initiator player

cauanzin S
tuyz A+

Squeezhy [#21]

he is at the same level, u can replace crashies with any of those players (maybe not Leo) and he will do a great job...

If you seriously think crashies is as good as Leo then you're more delusional than me as an OpTic fan.

crashies is an incredibly intelligent player, and he has amazing firepower, but he does not have the sheer level of clutch power as all 4 of those examples.

gamr [#26]

Derke was better even in 2022 without having 4 S tier players, but go off bro. i guess it isnt like aspas plays with the best sentinel in the world or an outstanding initiator player

What are you basing that off of.

mysterii [#23]

alfajer is not S tier imo

and dephh A tier 💀

Open emea league stats, look at Alfa and then rethink your statement

DRX:

MaKo - S+ tier(Best smoke/ini currently in the world)
Foxy9 - S tier (Top 3 dualist in pacific rn)
Buzz - A+++tier (CLOSE to S only bc weakness is that he can't fucking op but his aim is crispy)
Rb - A+ tier (Probably top 3 flex position in the world)
stax - A++ tier(RLY rare case where IGL actually frags constantly! IGL ability + frag = A++)
ZestKR - A tier (IDK, hes good sova, but other roles...)

HOW the fuck is ange1 S but u put stax as A+ 😂😂😂😂

ZeRUSia [#31]

DRX:

MaKo - S+ tier(Best smoke/ini currently in the world)
Foxy9 - S tier (Top 3 dualist in pacific rn)
Buzz - A+++tier (CLOSE to S only bc weakness is that he can't fucking op but his aim is crispy)
Rb - A+ tier (Probably top 3 flex position in the world)
stax - A++ tier(RLY rare case where IGL actually frags constantly! IGL ability + frag = A++)
ZestKR - A tier (IDK, hes good sova, but other roles...)

HOW the fuck is ange1 S but u put stax as A+ 😂😂😂😂

Foxy is top 1 in APAC, not top 3.

Itsover [#32]

Foxy is top 1 in APAC, not top 3.

true 😂 But i think its arguable between him, something, and jingg

Nachtel [#28]

If you seriously think crashies is as good as Leo then you're more delusional than me as an OpTic fan.

crashies is an incredibly intelligent player, and he has amazing firepower, but he does not have the sheer level of clutch power as all 4 of those examples.

Never said hes as good as Leo, he can fit his role but not as good as Leo (he is the goat)
But hes at Sacy and Shao level, hey he won masters dude has nothing more to prove...

ZeRUSia [#31]

DRX:

MaKo - S+ tier(Best smoke/ini currently in the world)
Foxy9 - S tier (Top 3 dualist in pacific rn)
Buzz - A+++tier (CLOSE to S only bc weakness is that he can't fucking op but his aim is crispy)
Rb - A+ tier (Probably top 3 flex position in the world)
stax - A++ tier(RLY rare case where IGL actually frags constantly! IGL ability + frag = A++)
ZestKR - A tier (IDK, hes good sova, but other roles...)

HOW the fuck is ange1 S but u put stax as A+ 😂😂😂😂

I struggled with DRX because all of them except for Mako feel like they're a centimeter away from being S tier but always being slightly worse than superstars on other teams.

I think the reason is because they're all so flexible that they can play every role at an A+ level but because of that can't master just one; they're all jacks of all trades but masters of none ig.

I'm willing to make stax S tier, I forgot DRX beat FPX

ZeRUSia [#33]

true 😂 But i think its arguable between him, something, and jingg

Something needs to polish his playstyle a bit, although rn he's in a perfect team for him. When he gets more tier 1 experience I would like to see him on a more structured team than prx tho.

ZeRUSia [#31]

DRX:

MaKo - S+ tier(Best smoke/ini currently in the world)
Foxy9 - S tier (Top 3 dualist in pacific rn)
Buzz - A+++tier (CLOSE to S only bc weakness is that he can't fucking op but his aim is crispy)
Rb - A+ tier (Probably top 3 flex position in the world)
stax - A++ tier(RLY rare case where IGL actually frags constantly! IGL ability + frag = A++)
ZestKR - A tier (IDK, hes good sova, but other roles...)

HOW the fuck is ange1 S but u put stax as A+ 😂😂😂😂

buzz doesn´t even need to op anymore or play duelist ever again thats foxy´s work and he can go back to his best sentinel of apac role

Nachtel [#18]

What rank are you?

Xeppaa is a flex/flash initiator. He plays Kayo, Skye and Raze, he never plays Sova or fade.

Crashies is a dedicated scan initiator. Sure, he plays skye, but his forte is Sova/fade

They don't play the same role at all.

Now tell me, would you want Xeppaa or Victor?

still victor obviously and btw crashies played skye both maps against 100t dummy

LocoMonteiro [#38]

still victor obviously and btw crashies played skye both maps against 100t dummy

Bookmarked this thread.

Nachtel [#39]

Bookmarked this thread.

https://www.vlr.gg/183795/nrg-esports-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4/?game=all&tab=performance
dunno why....they already played each other and despite losing both of them cooked xeppa
bruh even god pujan who was his iniciator rival that game cooked him

LocoMonteiro [#40]

https://www.vlr.gg/183795/nrg-esports-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4/?game=all&tab=performance
dunno why....they already played each other and despite losing both of them cooked xeppa
bruh even god pujan who was his iniciator rival that game cooked him

Too small a dataset. Thats like me taking one game between Loud and OpTic where aspas did badly and deciding that yay is the better duelist.

I didn't realize Xeppaa was so slept on. Trust me, he's going to surprise you going forward.

gamr [#26]

Derke was better even in 2022 without having 4 S tier players, but go off bro. i guess it isnt like aspas plays with the best sentinel in the world or an outstanding initiator player

aspas isn't playing with best sentinel itw

Nachtel [#29]

What are you basing that off of.

stats, how hard derke had to carry, agent pool, etc

Itsover [#42]

aspas isn't playing with best sentinel itw

who is the best sentinel in the world if not Less?

gamr [#44]

who is the best sentinel in the world if not Less?

tatar terminator is by far the best itw atm.

zekken S tier easily, crashies and victor all S, boaster S, Rb obv S tier

mako should be s+++++ mr nachtel

Watching Marved play really made me realize that he's WAY more than what he's given credit for. People talk about his lurks, but I have yet to really see anyone in the same tier as him. It's passed what an IGL can call, it passed what a team can possitionally set up. Marved has such a next-level handle on the game that his lurks can't be compared to a different player. If anyone other than aspas is S+++, it's him. Marved IS him.

Itsover [#45]

tatar terminator is by far the best itw atm.

Delusion

how are u gonna put an optic logo w ur name then underrate victor and crashies :( also I feel like all of drx should be in s tier except foxy and zest maybe but like rb is goated flex and buzz is a demon also I know c9 is on fire rn but I feel like the players are still overrated like how is xeppaa rated above victor ...

aylez [#17]

another thread another underrating victor

Real, man's so flexible

Nachtel [#13]

crashies is goated but I don't think he's Leo, stax, Sacy, or Shao level

crashies clears stax KKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

stopped reading at asspass> derke. low IQ thread

Ktpengui101 [#50]

how are u gonna put an optic logo w ur name then underrate victor and crashies :( also I feel like all of drx should be in s tier except foxy and zest maybe but like rb is goated flex and buzz is a demon also I know c9 is on fire rn but I feel like the players are still overrated like how is xeppaa rated above victor ...

lol

LocoMonteiro [#40]

https://www.vlr.gg/183795/nrg-esports-vs-cloud9-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4/?game=all&tab=performance
dunno why....they already played each other and despite losing both of them cooked xeppa
bruh even god pujan who was his iniciator rival that game cooked him

lol

Nachtel [#55]

lol

congrats they beat sentinels.... once they beat kru you can consider xeppa the best player in valorant history i guess

hell nah bro put dephh in the same tier as victor and zyppan

underrating tuyz, his harbour is one of the reasons loud is a top team, at least a+
also victor and s0m should be switched
and buzz deserves the s

Lulpas S++ while Derke on S KEKW

pewpew [#12]

this dude just put Boaster on the same tier as Runi...Are you braindead or are you braindead?

Runi unironically has better aim and his team lost less rounds to sen than fnatic did, don't hate him just cuz he's new in tier 1, you remind me of dapr fans after masters Reykjavik who watched 0 nats games and called dapr undoubtedly the best anchor despite him having worse stats than Ayaz simply cuz he was more well-known.

Itsover [#60]

Runi unironically has better aim and his team lost less rounds to sen than fnatic did, don't hate him just cuz he's new in tier 1, you remind me of dapr fans after masters Reykjavik who watched 0 nats games and called dapr undoubtedly the best anchor despite him having worse stats than Ayaz simply cuz he was more well-known.

who says runi has better aim?

Nachtel [#24]

aspas is the best duelist itw. Fnatic won because the burden of carry is shared among 4 S tier players which equates to less risk and more overall consistency.

Loud relies on Aspas being online a lot of the time to win.

If we're comparing pure proficiency at jett and raze, Aspas is better than derke no questions asked.

aspas get carried by his teammates a lot against top teams. look up the stats.

pewpew [#61]

who says runi has better aim?

Me.

Man I came here to pitch for Liquid to be put there but chuck that, why is is Crashies and Vic on A?
Tf?

Aspas S++ and just having 1 agent in his agent pool
Gotta laugh

ValdemieGC [#65]

Aspas S++ and just having 1 agent in his agent pool
Gotta laugh

exactly derke negs this kid

ValdemieGC [#65]

Aspas S++ and just having 1 agent in his agent pool
Gotta laugh

Lol

Number_1_Sheydos_Fan [#59]

Lulpas S++ while Derke on S KEKW

Lol

pewpew [#62]

aspas get carried by his teammates a lot against top teams. look up the stats.

Lol

Nachtel [#24]

aspas is the best duelist itw. Fnatic won because the burden of carry is shared among 4 S tier players which equates to less risk and more overall consistency.

Loud relies on Aspas being online a lot of the time to win.

If we're comparing pure proficiency at jett and raze, Aspas is better than derke no questions asked.

This statement makes no sense when you come to realize that the one event aspas won (while having the best team itw at the time, like derke had in lockin), he dropped the ball while Derke solo-carried fnatic while having mistic and enzo on his team, two objectively mid players.

Champs 22 stats, while aspas had the same team quality that derke had in lockin, derke wiped aspas on an individual level if u check the stats. That alone tells you who the better carry/player is.

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