LOUD was the first team to see his potential. I think every single team gonna start running him on quite a few maps
Edit: never said LOUD was the first team to use Harbor. Just that they used him better than anyone else and made him meta
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dogidawg [#4]when nrg and loud cores play its a el classico with clones of their former proteges including one fpx player that stole a title from nrg and loud that wants to be nrg and loud so bad then u loud of viva loud ok, buddy.
thats some real wafflin
babysasuke [#5]thats some real wafflin
they say fenis i say saadcock, i say saadcock they say fenis.
dogidawg [#6]they say fenis i say saadcock, i say saadcock they say fenis.
you are just further confusing me, my friend
Cresp [#9]Yeah loud has been really innovative this year: anti opp ascent comp with viper, gekko looking really nice on split, double wall on icebox pearl lotus and haven, and the single initiator skye meta.
they also made teams switch to playing cypher in breeze last year
babysasuke [#8]you are just further confusing me, my friend
oh buddy we can be more than just friends just watch you back. we can make that into a brimming ult
Cresp [#9]Yeah loud has been really innovative this year: anti opp ascent comp with viper, gekko looking really nice on split, double wall on icebox pearl lotus and haven, and the single initiator skye meta.
Viper on Ascent was done before loud ever touched it ...
Loud can really only claim harbor viper skye comp tbf
alitmanus [#10]they also made teams switch to playing cypher in breeze last year
Thats nAts credit ngl
Mortadelo [#15]PRX actually, but we can't know because PRX played off season with harbor and LOUD didn't play off season at all
geng played harbor/viper on icebox during off season too
Mortadelo [#15]PRX actually, but we can't know because PRX played off season with harbor and LOUD didn't play off season at all
Well i didn't mean the first team to run him. Just the first ones to use him to near perfection
xD1LL4N [#16]Thats nAts credit ngl
I'm talking about 2022 when cypher was out of meta
nats was playing viper on breeze in 2022
xD1LL4N [#14]Viper on Ascent was done before loud ever touched it ...
Loud can really only claim harbor viper skye comp tbf
??? The viper ascent was a thing long ago but have you seen it played as it is now? Also it used to be a sova variation, they started the skye variation. Its not that they atarted it its that they proved how good it can be.
thatpower [#17]geng played harbor/viper on icebox during off season too
Yeah that's what I'm saying, we can't know who ran it first since competition didn't start at the same time for everyone
Cresp [#20]??? The viper ascent was a thing long ago but have you seen it played as it is now? Also it used to be a sova variation, they started the skye variation. Its not that they atarted it its that they proved how good it can be.
yes? Fnatic 2021 line up.
Loud copied alot of their viper walls
Yessirskiiii [#18]Well i didn't mean the first team to run him. Just the first ones to use him to near perfection
Well I mean, using it means you see his potential Ig, but obviously Loud does use it better, yes
alitmanus [#19]I'm talking about 2022 when cypher was out of meta
nats was playing viper on breeze in 2022
cypher made a comeback once chamber got nerfed. it wans't a innoviative thing as teams used to play alot of cypher on that map
Mortadelo [#24]Well I mean, using it means you see his potential Ig, but obviously Loud does use it better, yes
I guess i could of worded it better. But what i meant is that Harbor being meta is 100% all LOUD
alitmanus [#3]TBK used it first in challengers on pearl
but we'll never know whether they were copying Loud
we know, they were
xD1LL4N [#23]yes? Fnatic 2021 line up.
Loud copied alot of their viper walls
V1 used it before then??? So whats ur point?
xD1LL4N [#25]cypher made a comeback once chamber got nerfed. it wans't a innoviative thing as teams used to play alot of cypher on that map
I love european egocentrism
lmao
the only team that used cypher at the time at tier S were loud and FPX, but FPX breeze sucked
while Loud had the best breeze itw
Cresp [#28]V1 used it before then??? So whats ur point?
Loud were not innoviators with viper on ascent.
innovation - a new idea, method.
it was now a new idea
alitmanus [#29]I love european egocentrism
lmao
the only team that used cypher at the time at tier S were loud and FPX, but FPX breeze sucked
while Loud had the best breeze itw
a new idea, method. thats what innovation.
they brought cypher back on breeze but it wasn't innovation compared to their Viper Harbor skye comps
xD1LL4N [#32]Loud were not innoviators with viper on ascent.
innovation - a new idea, method.
it was now a new idea
botnatic fan high on copium
you can create a team with 5 best players from 5 different countries, doesnt mean they're going to be innovative and smart
lol
xD1LL4N [#34]a new idea, method. thats what innovation.
they brought cypher back on breeze but it wasn't innovation compared to their Viper Harbor skye comps
I never said it was
when all teams were using chamber in maps like breeze and ascent, loud was using killjoy and cypher
they literally made Optic give up on chamber and use killjoy as well in grand finals
alitmanus [#35]botnatic fan high on copium
you can create a team with 5 best players from 5 different countries, doesnt mean they're going to be innovative and smart
lol
LMAO cope.
5 different countries but they are all European.
alitmanus [#36]I never said it was
when all teams were using chamber in maps like breeze and ascent, loud was using killjoy and cypher
they literally made Optic give up on chamber and use killjoy as well in grand finals
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95133&tab=overview
Nope yay was on chamber there
xD1LL4N [#38]https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95133&tab=overview
Nope yay was on chamber there
I meant on ascent.
in semifinals he played chamber
in grandfinals he played jett
alitmanus [#39]I meant on ascent.
in semifinals he played chamber
in grandfinals he played jett
https://www.vlr.gg/130684/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-ubf/?game=95129&tab=overview
Yeah getting owned 13-3 would do that to a team. that comps didn't work too well for them
xD1LL4N [#40]https://www.vlr.gg/130684/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-ubf/?game=95129&tab=overview
Yeah getting owned 13-3 would do that to a team. that comps didn't work too well for them
yeah loud just proved that killjoy was better than the meta of the time, that was chamber on ascent
alitmanus [#41]yeah loud just proved that killjoy was better than the meta of the time, that was chamber on ascent
Yes for that map
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