Berlin Format

Berlin format will be 16DE(guess btw)
11 days isn't enough to do GSL->8SE
16SE doesn't make sense
Also tournament format description is "Double Elimination"

it would be long enough for 2 DE groups with winners getting seeded to semi-finals, and wb losers and lb winners play quarter finals (opening matches could be BO1) - just like this: https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/DreamHack/2021/Spring

xaboff [#2]

it would be long enough for 2 DE groups with winners getting seeded to semi-finals, and wb losers and lb winners play quarter finals (opening matches could be BO1) - just like this: https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/DreamHack/2021/Spring

Riot isn't IEM ESL lol, also bo1 opening is horrible

hiyo [#3]

Riot isn't IEM ESL lol, also bo1 opening is horrible

But I do think it's manageable considering there's 28 matches vs 29 matches with the 16DE

xaboff [#2]

it would be long enough for 2 DE groups with winners getting seeded to semi-finals, and wb losers and lb winners play quarter finals (opening matches could be BO1) - just like this: https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/DreamHack/2021/Spring

I don't think Riot will ever do the 3Qual-8DE thing because it's a super weird bracket that was designed specifically to reduce the playoffs to six teams.It's not a terrible format, at least it's not the current ESL Pro League format. (puke)

if it isnt enough to do gsl - 8se (27 matches) then its also not enough for 16de (30 matches) lol

xaboff [#6]

if it isnt enough to do gsl - 8se (27 matches) then its also not enough for 16de (30 matches) lol

timing is off, you can't balance the matches correctly to guarantee competition(3matches + 2matches per group over 8 days and then 6 playoffs matches in 3 days + finals in 1day)
but I guess that's the same with 16DE

bleghfarec [#5]

I don't think Riot will ever do the 3Qual-8DE thing because it's a super weird bracket that was designed specifically to reduce the playoffs to six teams.It's not a terrible format, at least it's not the current ESL Pro League format. (puke)

why is the proleague format so bad

hiyo [#8]

why is the proleague format so bad

it rewards being first in groups too much in comparison to being 2nd/3rd

xaboff [#9]

it rewards being first in groups too much in comparison to being 2nd/3rd

no as in why is it implemented by ESL when there's better formats(ik it's shit)

hiyo [#7]

timing is off, you can't balance the matches correctly to guarantee competition(3matches + 2matches per group over 8 days and then 6 playoffs matches in 3 days + finals in 1day)
but I guess that's the same with 16DE

man fuck, the conclusion is they just need to make the events longer

hiyo [#8]

why is the proleague format so bad

Round-Robin is a garbage format that decides winners through arbitrary nitpick-y tiebreakers if a group is too competitive. Because of disparities between skill levels in teams as well, it's possible that a team could be so far ahead to already qualify but still be required to play matches, resulting in garbage time that extends through an entire series. There are too many matches, there's no way to create a storyline in a round-robin, and it's an unfun boring format.

https://www.hltv.org/news/29601/the-unacceptable-flaws-of-the-round-robin-format

Also, the EPL playoffs bracket format is atroooocious.

hiyo [#10]

no as in why is it implemented by ESL when there's better formats(ik it's shit)

that I don't know, I liked the format of S12 EU