50% chances of a team becoming the first ever team in Valorant history to win 2 international trophies
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Dokka [#6]and a 50% chance that stax or boaster finally gets their trophies
Actually all possible outcomes are such a W rn
rrry0 [#8]i dont think navi counts
Yes it does 4 players + coach, literally kept more players than LOUD for example
moatz [#10]Different org. Plus diff roster considering cNed replaced ardiis
then how are you counting loud when they lost more players than FPX?
RickyIndian [#13]then how are you counting loud when they lost more players than FPX?
He just wants to be annoying
Gutssz [#11]u can't count NAVI my friend sry
There's 4 event winner + a coach in NAVI
There's 3 event winners in LOUD
They changed the name so it doesn't count?
RickyIndian [#13]then how are you counting loud when they lost more players than FPX?
Well my main basis is the org, not the roster.
U go to LOUD hq, there'll be 2 trophies
U go to NAVI hg, there'll only be 1
Mortadelo [#15]There's 4 event winner + a coach in NAVI
There's 3 event winners in LOUDThey changed the name so it doesn't count?
the players don't matter
team that matters
LOUD can change 5 players if they wants, if they wins it counts
I think like this and that makes sense to me
moatz [#18]Well my main basis is the org, not the roster.
U go to LOUD hq, there'll be 2 trophies
U go to NAVI hg, there'll only be 1
team ≠ org
SavageTruth [#7]He not counting on FPX coz they changed org.
and Loud changed 2 players while Navi changed 1. I'd argue it'd be more legit Navi counting as winning 2 trophies than Loud.
Gutssz [#19]the players don't matter
team that matters
LOUD can change 5 players if they wants, if they wins it countsI think like this and that makes sense to me
I'm sorry but I don't agree, it's the players who win not the org
SavageTruth [#14]He just wants to be annoying
How so? The winner of Copenhagen last yr is officially listed as FPX, not NAVI
U can cope as much u want but rn, NAVI is tourniless 😹😹😹
Gutssz [#19]the players don't matter
team that matters
LOUD can change 5 players if they wants, if they wins it countsI think like this and that makes sense to me
there is literally less players there that were present for the first trophy win. orgs mean nothing, it's the players that count in this situation.
bonkashi [#24]there is literally less players there that were present for the first trophy win. orgs mean nothing, it's the players that count in this situation.
but if you want to record all the champion teams, you will have to write both teams differently
I'm looking at it from this angle
moatz [#23]How so? The winner of Copenhagen last yr is officially listed as FPX, not NAVI
U can cope as much u want but rn, NAVI is tourniless 😹😹😹
Alright China is the first ever Asian region to win a trophy, congrats
moatz [#18]Well my main basis is the org, not the roster.
U go to LOUD hq, there'll be 2 trophies
U go to NAVI hg, there'll only be 1
good thing we dont care about ur opinion
Gutssz [#25]but if you want to record all the champion teams, you will have to write both teams differently
I'm looking at it from this angle
Then according to that logic. China has an international event win?
Mortadelo [#12]Yes it does 4 players + coach, literally kept more players than LOUD for example
bro cned became world champion why don't you count him
UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe [#29]bro cned became world champion why don't you count him
Because he won that separately and I understand that's different. You can't get 5 players who won trophies with 5 different teams and then when they win a trophy say it's the teams second win. cned would still have 2 international wins tho, just with 2 different teams
Mortadelo [#28]Then according to that logic. China has an international event win?
what a question right? you always surprise me
Gutssz [#31]what a question right? you always surprise me
Do I?xD Yk it's always cool with you tho ;)
Mortadelo [#22]I'm sorry but I don't agree, it's the players who win not the org
tbf in any other sport you would simply say that the org had won. Real Madrid won the champions league many times, with different rosters, but each time its a Real Madrid win. If you specify it as "2 rosters could be the first to win two international lans", that would be more accurate
juno_VLR [#33]bro teams don’t matter just follow players 😈 fnatic has trophy winners too, only drx has a full team of non previous winners
What I use to judge which team has won is if the core of players (3 players) have won a trophy together, doesn't matter the org
swayway [#27]good thing we dont care about ur opinion
nobody cares abt ur opinion either lil vro 😹😹😹
bonkashi [#21]and Loud changed 2 players while Navi changed 1. I'd argue it'd be more legit Navi counting as winning 2 trophies than Loud.
navi changed 1 for another player who won a title, if they won then all their players would be 2x champs - more or less as legit as it gets
squush [#34]tbf in any other sport you would simply say that the org had won. Real Madrid won the champions league many times, with different rosters, but each time its a Real Madrid win. If you specify it as "2 rosters could be the first to win two international lans", that would be more accurate
Well in football you count both, how many champion Madrid had, but also how many champions for example midrib has. And I think the fact that Valorant is a 5 player esport makes the importance of your teammates matter a lot more, plus every narrative has to be built from 0 there's no previous history. I think all that creates a new category to account for which is the core of players imo. Idk it's just what makes more sense to me
moatz [#23]How so? The winner of Copenhagen last yr is officially listed as FPX, not NAVI
U can cope as much u want but rn, NAVI is tourniless 😹😹😹
ange1, shao, suygetsu, zyppan, and doombros won copenhagen
cned also won champs 2021
Mortadelo [#35]What I use to judge which team has won is if the core of players (3 players) have won a trophy together, doesn't matter the org
i like that strategy
Mortadelo [#26]Alright China is the first ever Asian region to win a trophy, congrats
Alr I'm down for that. Congrats China :)
RickyIndian [#39]ange1, shao, suygetsu, zyppan, and doombros won copenhagen
cned also won champs 2021
so if i made an org and picked up zombs, ardiis, bonecold, kiles, and starxo
and won a tourney, would we also be at the same lvl?
moatz [#42]so if i made an org and picked up zombs, ardiis, bonecold, kiles, and starxo
and won a tourney, would we also be at the same lvl?
i mean they would be the first players to have multiple championships
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