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Tier list video discussion

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#1
kir0

I was watching these tier lists they made before the lock in São Paulo and I wanted to clear up a doubt. Why do you underestimate Brazilian teams so much? It seems that for you there is only NA and teams from Europe. Why are tier S always North American and European? since the trophy from the last world cup is here in Brazil >< at least loud is now proving itself once again for you

(Sorry for the English mistakes. I did it in google translator)

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manca
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nobody underestimating brazil after they won champs lol

#3
trembolonaRage
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because brazilian teams except for LOUD are indeed trash

#4
aylez
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LOUD S tier, other brazilian teams are B tier at best

#5
Asuna_Yuuki
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People know how good LOUD are but the rest of South America are still yet to prove themselves

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Sugma
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trembolonaRage [#3]

because brazilian teams except for LOUD are indeed trash

W

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kir0
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manca [#2]

nobody underestimating brazil after they won champs lol

but my point is that they don't put loud tier S on these lists at all... it seems that loud always has to prove that it's really good and can compete with all the other teams.

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paNcada49
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they think brazil is full of poverty, polluted cities and unpolite people who wants to rob them
they cant accept a country like this being better than them in a game that requires strategy and skill

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kir0 [#7]

but my point is that they don't put loud tier S on these lists at all... it seems that loud always has to prove that it's really good and can compete with all the other teams.

NA and EU didnt know who tuyz and cauanzin were until this event ! thought they were a downgrade to sacy and pancada or sum

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thatpower
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kir0 [#7]

but my point is that they don't put loud tier S on these lists at all... it seems that loud always has to prove that it's really good and can compete with all the other teams.

i mean they replaced sacy and pancada for two players who weren't really proven which made people obviously skeptical

#11
Sprouts
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Thread should be about why are tierlists wrongfully underestimating Loud specifically, not all Brazilian teams. If anything, channels like Plat Chat gave a team like MIBR way too much credit. As for Furia, I may personally think they are the dark horse of the event but their is no evidence that they will be anything past a B tier team at the moment, so I wouldn't say they are even being underestimated yet.

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kir0 [#7]

but my point is that they don't put loud tier S on these lists at all... it seems that loud always has to prove that it's really good and can compete with all the other teams.

they replaced loud's secondary caller and the best controller in the world with 2 relatively unknown players (cauanzin slightly, tuyz definitely)

obviously most people will think they have to prove themselves again

from your perspective they should be rated high because YOU KNOW these two players have lots of talent and potential

these players from other regions do not know them like that. its normal to underrate them.

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vroonski [#9]

NA and EU didnt know who tuyz and cauanzin were until this event ! thought they were a downgrade to sacy and pancada or sum

but precisely, put it in front of loud, teams that also put new players or removed the team (for example nrg and C9) BECAUSE LOUD STILL HAS 3 PLAYERS WORLD CHAMPIONS lol

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love_trial [#12]

they replaced loud's secondary caller and the best controller in the world with 2 relatively unknown players (cauanzin slightly, tuyz definitely)

obviously most people will think they have to prove themselves again

from your perspective they should be rated high because YOU KNOW these two players have lots of talent and potential

these players from other regions do not know them like that. its normal to underrate them.

Yes. great point on this topic

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aTastyCook1e
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paNcada49 [#8]

they think brazil is full of poverty, polluted cities and unpolite people who wants to rob them
they cant accept a country like this being better than them in a game that requires strategy and skill

Mas a primeira parte eh verdade!

#16
kzeriar
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where have you seen these tierlists besides plat chat's? wanna take a look

#17
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paNcada49 [#8]

they think brazil is full of poverty, polluted cities and unpolite people who wants to rob them
they cant accept a country like this being better than them in a game that requires strategy and skill

I don't think that's the reason lmao

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trembolonaRage [#3]

because brazilian teams except for LOUD are indeed trash

Wait for my Furia bro....

Edit: I just realized the name, nvm

#19
FlameJi
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Classic NA and EMEA know 0 about players just put pacific teams to C and D put every emea+NA into B/A, Sneak loud to A even though they are S tier. Try to shit talk drx too because pacific team. Now just cope up with something like crowd buff putting other south american teams to B (because safe bet) if it was not in brazil they would put into D or somethin

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If anything Pacific teams are the underrated ones not SA, lev and loud were considered top 4 in a lot of ppl'e eyes while a lot of ppl HAD MIBR BEATING TALON (LIKE BRUHHHHHH), and to add to that ppl think furia is going run over T1, for godsake platchat had 8 of the 10 Asian teams and both Chinese teams going out in 1st(DO YOU GET IT... AN ENTIRE REGION GOING OUT IN 1ST ROUND OMEGALUL)

#21
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EMEA and NA just have a much better legacy. People in the scene care a lot more about what they used to know rather than what's apparent now. I've heard a few good things about furia, I believe in them, but Furia has never been good in the past. This causes people to underrated them.

A lot of people see past results as pure facts for today, and it gives (historically) worse regions a bad view before they even play a game.

#22
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My guess is that everyone overreacted to Sacy and Pancada leaving. This game is so incredibly sensitive to roster changes, and at the time tuyz and cauanzin only ever looked like "the best LOUD could find" to fill their shoes. Most of everyone considered Brazil a one team region, and with that champions-winning superteam fractured, there was a lot of doubt whether they would be able to reach the same peak they once did with 2 supposedly "tier 2" replacements in peoples' minds.

A good comparison would be Paper Rex: imagine if mindfreak and jinggg left that roster. Would people still consider Paper Rex the same international-level superteam if that happened?

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