I've seen many NA and EMEA tier lists but none from APAC, how would you rank them?
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hanafuji [#4]
- DRX
- PRX (yeah I still have faith in them)
- TALON
- GEN G
- ZETA
- T1
- GE
- TS
- RRQ
- DFM
Im really torn apart between talon and geng, talon showed more but geng was so good against loud
Warlordwibz [#6]1 DRX
2 PRX
3/4/5/6 T1/Gen.G/Talon/ZETA (Super Contested)
7 GE
8 TS
9 DFM100 Argh Argh Que
I dont really have much faith in T1, they were really bad in the ludwig tarik tournament and if im not mistaken they had been practcing for a while at that point
hanafuji [#4]
- DRX
- PRX (yeah I still have faith in them)
- TALON
- GEN G
- ZETA
- T1
- GE
- TS
- RRQ
- DFM
Zeta is above talon easily,it's just xerxia
I_HATE_MCE [#11]1 DRX
2 PRX
3 Talon
4 Gen G
5 TS
6 GE
7 RRQ
8 T1
9 ZETA
10 DFM(Japan isn’t good)
Aside from Zeta being that low this might be the one i agree with the most
flames-leleo [#9]Zeta is above talon easily,it's just xerxia
do you even watch their match against DRX? 💀
also TLN has changed their players and roles so they're not 'just xerxia' anymore IMO
I_HATE_MCE [#11]1 DRX
2 PRX
3 Talon
4 Gen G
5 TS
6 GE
7 RRQ
8 T1
9 ZETA
10 DFM(Japan isn’t good)
RRQ too high
p1ay2ac3 [#14]hold your horses and let every team play and then make a list.
for instance most of you no lifers wouldn't have put GenG and Talon so high up like you're doing now before they played their matches.
that's why it's a very early tier list, we still can't judge half of the teams cuz they haven't played yet
but there are some teams that I expected to play the way they did like DRX and DFM, and some of them don't like TLN and PRX, so I'm basically judging them off of that
horse69 [#16]why is prx still #2?
C9 clapped prx
drx beat C9
talon had a close game against drx than C9
only reasonable that talon>prx??
but PRX always beat the TLN core players in X10/Xerxia
hanafuji [#10]true, but in my opinion the jinggg and f0rsaken duo can still outaim most of these pacific teams, that's why I still have faith in them
Unfortunately it's 5v5 game.
horse69 [#16]why is prx still #2?
C9 clapped prx
drx beat C9
talon had a close game against drx than C9
only reasonable that talon>prx??
that's not how the logic works bruhhh, if A beats B and B beats C, that doesn't mean C beats A, teams would have different strats to play certain teams
p1ay2ac3 [#14]hold your horses and let every team play and then make a list.
for instance most of you no lifers wouldn't have put GenG and Talon so high up like you're doing now before they played their matches.
Its obvious its just early, but i was curious to see the expectations
hanafuji [#4]
- DRX
- PRX (yeah I still have faith in them)
- TALON
- GEN G
- ZETA
- T1
- GE
- TS
- RRQ
- DFM
Dfm will prove themselves they are SURELY better then argh argh que
9th place better than 10th surely
spookmeister [#23]Dfm will prove themselves they are SURELY better then argh argh que
9th place better than 10th surely
to be fair it's a tossup, both of them suffers from having mid players and a shit synergy
hanafuji [#25]to be fair it's a tossup, both of them suffers from having mid players and a shit synergy
I hate that dfm is mid because tbh they have good players but idk I think they just are all in a slump mechanically AND they’re not great tactically
spookmeister [#23]Dfm will prove themselves they are SURELY better then argh argh que
9th place better than 10th surely
You chose the wrong team to fangirl bro, Dfm would lose an average immortal ranked match
I_HATE_MCE [#27]You chose the wrong team to fangirl bro, Dfm would lose an average immortal ranked match
i must stay committed
hanafuji [#20]that's not how the logic works bruhhh, if A beats B and B beats C, that doesn't mean C beats A, teams would have different strats to play certain teams
but prx played so bad
it wasnt even C9 being too good that prx couldnt handle, it was prx being bad
horse69 [#29]but prx played so bad
it wasnt even C9 being too good that prx couldnt handle, it was prx being bad
Its only 1 match in a new meta and PRX was really good before, i'd say its a little too early to take them down
horse69 [#29]but prx played so bad
it wasnt even C9 being too good that prx couldnt handle, it was prx being bad
you're right tbh, maybe i'm just still traumatized for when PRX terrorizes APAC for 2 years straight. kinda sad for them tbh cuz they're one of the if not the most clouted team in APAC right now
spookmeister [#26]I hate that dfm is mid because tbh they have good players but idk I think they just are all in a slump mechanically AND they’re not great tactically
true. I also think comms arent as smooth as people think. Suggest should just go replace secret at gen g or be a 6th man there. Meiy should be picked up by dfm if that happens. And if seoldam really is washed then he should go back to tier 2 japan and prove himself again.
hanafuji [#21]who says that it's not? do you even played valorant?
Yes and only jingg is good in PRX 😃
I_HATE_MCE [#11]1 DRX
2 PRX
3 Talon
4 Gen G
5 TS
6 GE
7 RRQ
8 T1
9 ZETA
10 DFM(Japan isn’t good)
TS sucks against apac team
hanafuji [#4]
- DRX
- PRX (yeah I still have faith in them)
- TALON
- GEN G
- ZETA
- T1
- GE
- TS
- RRQ
- DFM
why is TS so low?
edit: nvm i see this happened before the game
- DRX - No need to know why, it shows
- GEN G - on their way to become the 2nd DRX, just need a bit more polishing. They fought very very close against LOUD, I assume they're on the same level or one less level of NRG. Very Korean Play style, very good overall.
- SECRET -
Pre Warbirds I would place them 8 or 9 they're just like forcing themselves to do a PRX play style cosplay, bad mental, and everything seems off, no discipline and everything is just chaotic. So if you're judging the team based on their past performance like GXR LAN and the KR invitational, stop. If you're playing VALORANT to win 50/50, you're playing the game wrong. You should only be taking a play not always but of the time that's in your advantage.
Warbirds - I put them 3rd, This team is basically playing in the same play style, protocol, strat, execution, utility usage of an NA team, all players have an impact and do what their role is supposed to do. However, their attack strats needs a bit more of polishing. At last, they stopped cosplaying PRX play style like they did in 2022, also based on lots of scrim leaks, they're doing very well against lots of teams. Their new NA coach (Warbirds) seems taking the team in the right path.
- TALON - everyone is popping off, they became so confident again, probably the new team vibes, they're really have a solid roster, trades and calls of crws are on point, assuming they don't change GarnetS to patiphan I'm placing them 3 but I think pati will replace GarnetS which I think is a bad idea soon so I'll put them 4( for now until I watch pati )
- PRX - team fell off, very creative team, their play style will work if you're really not knowledgeable about the team. Very aim heavy team, but as months goes by teams improved too and their fast play style have now been easily countered by teams. NGL, Stop trolling and the WGaming thing if they don't want to get stuck, they used to be unpredictable but now when teams are playing against them they just don't let their guard down anymore, they know how undisciplined the team is. I think they got complacent, still an A for me tho cause I think it's not that hard to fix discipline in players.
- T1 - they might have showed that they got stomped by NA teams but they are so new that time, and just need more experience, their aims are cracked but they just lack more of the fundamentals of the game, a mechanically skilled heavy team. I think they just need to broaden their strat books and counter strats then it will be good.
- GE - never saw them on an official match with this new roster but based on scrim leaks on discord, they're getting stomped. I don't know if they're just hiding strat and trying to analyze the playstyle of different regions but I won't say anything for now until I watch their performance later. I hope their hype will match their performance, I mean people won't hype a player for nothing, right? I have really high hopes especially for texture and rossi.
- ZETA - honestly replace crow, tenn. Only Laz and Dep has a consistent performance they're basically S tier playbooks, strats, coms but C tier aim, also no confidence and they respect teams too much, I guess it's because of their culture. Their No ego culture, always humble and respectful, most of the time those are the personalities that easily gets upset and intimidated. NA EMEA, give this team even 0.1 of EGO please.
- RRQ - watched their game against tier 2 indo teams, I'm not basing this right now I'm basing this in their most official recent games so you can ignore this take. I don't know they lost to a tier 2 teams last time and had a hard time beating Enigma, EJAY seems to be the player to look out here, he's the top fragger most of the time, Lmemore seems to be inconsistent sometimes he pops off, sometimes not, depends on the day. The rest definitely needs a lot of working to do if they don't want to get embarrassed in the international scene. I hope they will also prove me wrong and I'll be more glad if I'm wrong.
- DFM - No need to know why, it shows
XennoviaQuarta [#43]
- DRX - No need to know why, it shows
- GEN G - on their way to become the 2nd DRX, just need a bit more polishing. They fought very very close against LOUD, I assume they're on the same level or one less level of NRG. Very Korean Play style, very good overall.
- SECRET -
Pre Warbirds I would place them 8 or 9 they're just like forcing themselves to do a PRX play style cosplay, bad mental, and everything seems off, no discipline and everything is just chaotic. So if you're judging the team based on their past performance like GXR LAN and the KR invitational, stop. If you're playing VALORANT to win 50/50, you're playing the game wrong. You should only be taking a play not always but of the time that's in your advantage.Warbirds - I put them 3rd, This team is basically playing in the same play style, protocol, strat, execution, utility usage of an NA team, all players have an impact and do what their role is supposed to do. However, their attack strats needs a bit more of polishing. At last, they stopped cosplaying PRX play style like they did in 2022, also based on lots of scrim leaks, they're doing very well against lots of teams. Their new NA coach (Warbirds) seems taking the team in the right path.
- TALON - everyone is popping off, they became so confident again, probably the new team vibes, they're really have a solid roster, trades and calls of crws are on point, assuming they don't change GarnetS to patiphan I'm placing them 3 but I think pati will replace GarnetS which I think is a bad idea soon so I'll put them 4( for now until I watch pati )
- PRX - team fell off, very creative team, their play style will work if you're really not knowledgeable about the team. Very aim heavy team, but as months goes by teams improved too and their fast play style have now been easily countered by teams. NGL, Stop trolling and the WGaming thing if they don't want to get stuck, they used to be unpredictable but now when teams are playing against them they just don't let their guard down anymore, they know how undisciplined the team is. I think they got complacent, still an A for me tho cause I think it's not that hard to fix discipline in players.
- T1 - they might have showed that they got stomped by NA teams but they are so new that time, and just need more experience, their aims are cracked but they just lack more of the fundamentals of the game, a mechanically skilled heavy team. I think they just need to broaden their strat books and counter strats then it will be good.
- GE - never saw them on an official match with this new roster but based on scrim leaks on discord, they're getting stomped. I don't know if they're just hiding strat and trying to analyze the playstyle of different regions but I won't say anything for now until I watch their performance later. I hope their hype will match their performance, I mean people won't hype a player for nothing, right? I have really high hopes especially for texture and rossi.
- ZETA - honestly replace crow, tenn. Only Laz and Dep has a consistent performance they're basically S tier playbooks, strats, coms but C tier aim, also no confidence and they respect teams too much, I guess it's because of their culture. Their No ego culture, always humble and respectful, most of the time those are the personalities that easily gets upset and intimidated. NA EMEA, give this team even 0.1 of EGO please.
- RRQ - watched their game against tier 2 indo teams, I'm not basing this right now I'm basing this in their most official recent games so you can ignore this take. I don't know they lost to a tier 2 teams last time and had a hard time beating Enigma, EJAY seems to be the player to look out here, he's the top fragger most of the time, Lmemore seems to be inconsistent sometimes he pops off, sometimes not, depends on the day. The rest definitely needs a lot of working to do if they don't want to get embarrassed in the international scene. I hope they will also prove me wrong and I'll be more glad if I'm wrong.
- DFM - No need to know why, it shows
where did you see scrim leaks ? cuz there's this guy noyn and according to him GE has done really well in the scrims in brazil
hanafuji [#4]
- DRX
- PRX (yeah I still have faith in them)
- TALON
- GEN G
- ZETA
- T1
- GE
- TS
- RRQ
- DFM
W tierlist Drx on top talon geng close maybe now that ts won could be higher detonation fuckme at last WWWW
XennoviaQuarta [#43]
- DRX - No need to know why, it shows
- GEN G - on their way to become the 2nd DRX, just need a bit more polishing. They fought very very close against LOUD, I assume they're on the same level or one less level of NRG. Very Korean Play style, very good overall.
- SECRET -
Pre Warbirds I would place them 8 or 9 they're just like forcing themselves to do a PRX play style cosplay, bad mental, and everything seems off, no discipline and everything is just chaotic. So if you're judging the team based on their past performance like GXR LAN and the KR invitational, stop. If you're playing VALORANT to win 50/50, you're playing the game wrong. You should only be taking a play not always but of the time that's in your advantage.Warbirds - I put them 3rd, This team is basically playing in the same play style, protocol, strat, execution, utility usage of an NA team, all players have an impact and do what their role is supposed to do. However, their attack strats needs a bit more of polishing. At last, they stopped cosplaying PRX play style like they did in 2022, also based on lots of scrim leaks, they're doing very well against lots of teams. Their new NA coach (Warbirds) seems taking the team in the right path.
- TALON - everyone is popping off, they became so confident again, probably the new team vibes, they're really have a solid roster, trades and calls of crws are on point, assuming they don't change GarnetS to patiphan I'm placing them 3 but I think pati will replace GarnetS which I think is a bad idea soon so I'll put them 4( for now until I watch pati )
- PRX - team fell off, very creative team, their play style will work if you're really not knowledgeable about the team. Very aim heavy team, but as months goes by teams improved too and their fast play style have now been easily countered by teams. NGL, Stop trolling and the WGaming thing if they don't want to get stuck, they used to be unpredictable but now when teams are playing against them they just don't let their guard down anymore, they know how undisciplined the team is. I think they got complacent, still an A for me tho cause I think it's not that hard to fix discipline in players.
- T1 - they might have showed that they got stomped by NA teams but they are so new that time, and just need more experience, their aims are cracked but they just lack more of the fundamentals of the game, a mechanically skilled heavy team. I think they just need to broaden their strat books and counter strats then it will be good.
- GE - never saw them on an official match with this new roster but based on scrim leaks on discord, they're getting stomped. I don't know if they're just hiding strat and trying to analyze the playstyle of different regions but I won't say anything for now until I watch their performance later. I hope their hype will match their performance, I mean people won't hype a player for nothing, right? I have really high hopes especially for texture and rossi.
- ZETA - honestly replace crow, tenn. Only Laz and Dep has a consistent performance they're basically S tier playbooks, strats, coms but C tier aim, also no confidence and they respect teams too much, I guess it's because of their culture. Their No ego culture, always humble and respectful, most of the time those are the personalities that easily gets upset and intimidated. NA EMEA, give this team even 0.1 of EGO please.
- RRQ - watched their game against tier 2 indo teams, I'm not basing this right now I'm basing this in their most official recent games so you can ignore this take. I don't know they lost to a tier 2 teams last time and had a hard time beating Enigma, EJAY seems to be the player to look out here, he's the top fragger most of the time, Lmemore seems to be inconsistent sometimes he pops off, sometimes not, depends on the day. The rest definitely needs a lot of working to do if they don't want to get embarrassed in the international scene. I hope they will also prove me wrong and I'll be more glad if I'm wrong.
- DFM - No need to know why, it shows
how does people still defending Dep
unreal, i don't understand. he's as bad as crow bro. mid
ItsMeDio [#36]
- DRX
gap
2-4. TALON
2-4. GEN G
2-4. PRX (yeah I still have faith in them)gap
- RRQ
- GE
- T1
- TS
gap
- ZETA (unless they change roster, they stay on 9th)
- DFM
Damn i have zeta a lot higher (around 6th) they looked ok against a team i think is top of the world
Chirby [#41]1 DRX
2 TALON
3 GEN G (Seemed quite solid for a new team against Champion winners LOUD)
4 TS
5 PRX (Despite poor recent performances, they have the ability to redeem themselves)
6 ZETA
7 GE
8 RRQ
9 T1 (I genuinely do not see this roster working)
10 DFM (Needs a rebuild ASAP)
Thats basically my list too
XennoviaQuarta [#43]
- DRX - No need to know why, it shows
- GEN G - on their way to become the 2nd DRX, just need a bit more polishing. They fought very very close against LOUD, I assume they're on the same level or one less level of NRG. Very Korean Play style, very good overall.
- SECRET -
Pre Warbirds I would place them 8 or 9 they're just like forcing themselves to do a PRX play style cosplay, bad mental, and everything seems off, no discipline and everything is just chaotic. So if you're judging the team based on their past performance like GXR LAN and the KR invitational, stop. If you're playing VALORANT to win 50/50, you're playing the game wrong. You should only be taking a play not always but of the time that's in your advantage.Warbirds - I put them 3rd, This team is basically playing in the same play style, protocol, strat, execution, utility usage of an NA team, all players have an impact and do what their role is supposed to do. However, their attack strats needs a bit more of polishing. At last, they stopped cosplaying PRX play style like they did in 2022, also based on lots of scrim leaks, they're doing very well against lots of teams. Their new NA coach (Warbirds) seems taking the team in the right path.
- TALON - everyone is popping off, they became so confident again, probably the new team vibes, they're really have a solid roster, trades and calls of crws are on point, assuming they don't change GarnetS to patiphan I'm placing them 3 but I think pati will replace GarnetS which I think is a bad idea soon so I'll put them 4( for now until I watch pati )
- PRX - team fell off, very creative team, their play style will work if you're really not knowledgeable about the team. Very aim heavy team, but as months goes by teams improved too and their fast play style have now been easily countered by teams. NGL, Stop trolling and the WGaming thing if they don't want to get stuck, they used to be unpredictable but now when teams are playing against them they just don't let their guard down anymore, they know how undisciplined the team is. I think they got complacent, still an A for me tho cause I think it's not that hard to fix discipline in players.
- T1 - they might have showed that they got stomped by NA teams but they are so new that time, and just need more experience, their aims are cracked but they just lack more of the fundamentals of the game, a mechanically skilled heavy team. I think they just need to broaden their strat books and counter strats then it will be good.
- GE - never saw them on an official match with this new roster but based on scrim leaks on discord, they're getting stomped. I don't know if they're just hiding strat and trying to analyze the playstyle of different regions but I won't say anything for now until I watch their performance later. I hope their hype will match their performance, I mean people won't hype a player for nothing, right? I have really high hopes especially for texture and rossi.
- ZETA - honestly replace crow, tenn. Only Laz and Dep has a consistent performance they're basically S tier playbooks, strats, coms but C tier aim, also no confidence and they respect teams too much, I guess it's because of their culture. Their No ego culture, always humble and respectful, most of the time those are the personalities that easily gets upset and intimidated. NA EMEA, give this team even 0.1 of EGO please.
- RRQ - watched their game against tier 2 indo teams, I'm not basing this right now I'm basing this in their most official recent games so you can ignore this take. I don't know they lost to a tier 2 teams last time and had a hard time beating Enigma, EJAY seems to be the player to look out here, he's the top fragger most of the time, Lmemore seems to be inconsistent sometimes he pops off, sometimes not, depends on the day. The rest definitely needs a lot of working to do if they don't want to get embarrassed in the international scene. I hope they will also prove me wrong and I'll be more glad if I'm wrong.
- DFM - No need to know why, it shows
First things first, thanks for the pretty in depth analysis, really apreciate you taking the time to help me understand a region im not familiar with. Now here are a few things i'd like to say about your list.
GenG - I love the GenG belief, im really hyped to see them developing they looked great against loud and showed massive potential
Talon - I think if they keep garnets as a starter they should be good, but it feels like a waste to bench pati, maybe they can fit him somewhere or just let him go.
T1 - Im just not hyped for this team. Hopefuly im wrong cuz as a overwatch fan seeing those guys suceed would be great, however their performance in the ludwig tarik tournament was awful and if im not mistaken they had been practicing for a while at that point. Lets hope their bootcamp in NA was worth it and they got better.
GE - All the scrimbux i saw said they were doing good, where did you get the info that they are being stomped?
Zeta - Im honestly not that down on them. What you said about being humble is pretty interesting and maybe it does need a fix, still they were ok against lev who imo is one of the top teams in the world. The idea of them bringing someone to get more firepower sounds interesting tho.
The teams i didn't metion i either agree with u and have nothing to say or i just don't know enough about them.
after seeing them so far in LOCK IN (might change after watching a few more tonight)
- DRX - no doubt
- PRX, TALON, GEN G - these three will be competing for the 2 spots left to masters (3 spots if somehow we win LOCK IN i think thats how it works)
- TS GE
- T1 RRQ ZETA - personally not a huge fan of JP Val tbh, zeta masters run was a fluke. T1 also didnt look good, RRQ me indo bias
- DFM
Eldy [#51]1- DRX
2- PRX
3- TALON
4- GEN G
5- ZETA
6- T1
7- TS
8- RRQ
9- DFM
10- GE - the worst damn team in franchising smfh
Where Albanian team?
Eldy [#51]1- DRX
2- PRX
3- TALON
4- GEN G
5- ZETA
6- T1
7- TS
8- RRQ
9- DFM
10- GE - the worst damn team in franchising smfh
how the hell is Zeta and T1 higher than TS?
EttedoSolemn [#54]how the hell is Zeta and T1 higher than TS?
Gahaha it wasn't even a real ranking, just made to trigger maldians
Eldy [#55]Gahaha it wasn't even a real ranking, just made to trigger maldians
i was just asking bro. im not even mad
EttedoSolemn [#56]i was just asking bro. im not even mad
yea i know, I'm just tryna trrigger more Indians xd
koogaS [#50]after seeing them so far in LOCK IN (might change after watching a few more tonight)
- DRX - no doubt
- PRX, TALON, GEN G - these three will be competing for the 2 spots left to masters (3 spots if somehow we win LOCK IN i think thats how it works)
- TS GE
- T1 RRQ ZETA - personally not a huge fan of JP Val tbh, zeta masters run was a fluke. T1 also didnt look good, RRQ me indo bias
- DFM
Put ts in no. 2. They legit looked impressive. Their utility is legit and their chemistry is just crazy for a team that's like a 2 months old iirc. On the flip side, because they're still a pretty new team they still need a lot of polishing to do, like not overheating and trading and such. But other than that they looked as impressive if not better than Gen.g and Talon no joke. Warbirds is cooking 5 Michelin star adobo and it fucking smell amazing.
Chow1E [#59]1 dfm
2 zeta
3 t1
4 ge
5 rrq
6 geng
7 prx
8 talon
9 ts
10 drx - worst team in franchising
bro they don't know 💀
Chow1E [#59]1 dfm
2 zeta
3 t1
4 ge
5 rrq
6 geng
7 prx
8 talon
9 ts
10 drx - worst team in franchising
If vct was actually Valorant Throw Tournament
sleeek [#39]TS sucks against apac team
I’m the only one in this thread that rated TS properly before their match with liquid. Everyone had them at like 8th place
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