In a recent stream with Gaules and another famous brazilian streamer, MCH, Fer, a brazilian CS:GO World Champ, attacked the valorant pro players. He attacked the players that left CS:GO to Valorant: "For me, I don't know how it is today, but the game started with the most failed community there was. The guys who were bad at CS went there, and the ones who were banned for doing shit went there, and then there was this bunch of shit all together. Is that how VALORANT started, or am I wrong?"
MCH commented: "You would be a great VALORANT player, fer"
And fer took advantage of the situation to criticize Valorant player ShahZaM: "Until then ShahZaM was top 1 in the world in VALORANT, in CS he was a . Now it's yay, who were these guys in CS?"
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Original link of the matter: https://www.espn.com.br/esports/artigo/_/id/11642592/csgo-%7C-fer-dispara-criticas-ao-valorant-nao-precisa-ser-bom-em-p-nenhuma
Famous CS:GO player, Fer, attacks Valorant Pros
mzto [#10]2 x Major winner
https://www.hltv.org/player/8564/fer
Wait this is the same guy who try harded in a show match lmao
Sita_MOE [#17]yay sold his soul to chamber
he cannot play nature duelist entry frag like BuZZ ,Fit1nho, aspas, GarnetS
may be this is weak point of yay in CSGO
C9 got shat on defense on icebox. TF is he going to entry? The airport?
the game is at a point where the skills rewarded in valorant are different than the skills used in csgo. for the first two years they were pretty much the same game which is why the cs transplants won everything, nowadays it requires a different perspective and approach
also iono why he's got so much beef with the game bro must be bored during retirement
Bro Csgo pros are so insecure its ridculous. Like they think that they're hot shit. The reality is so many players in different region and tier 2 Scene never got a fair shot at tier 1. The reason is cause Valve did shit to grow the esports scene for CS and don't give any org incentives to invests into their scene. The talent/orgs start leaving Cs scene a while ago. These tier 1 teams are obviously gonna continued dominating when Teams from dead regions barely get good practice in.
SigmaMale [#18]Wait this is the same guy who try harded in a show match lmao
my god... if you are really from north korea I understand, I don't even know if you can use vlr there, much less play or watch valorant
fAz_en [#20]i mean he aint wrong even stax was a nobody in csgo, but stax was still really young back then
literally Asian csgo dead compared to EU. Reason why no one shine is cause there's literally no hype or org investment. When your scene is barebones you can't get good practice in to be the best. That's why in CSGO you see all these tier 1 pros keep dominating and recycling their players now. Their Talents/orgs left long ago.
Xav [#7]i mean i can understand why a bunch of na and br players move over cuz of how dead the cs scenes are, crazy how a good structured pro system works
that's what CSGO fans don't get of couse EU will dominate the scene when every other region has been dead for a long time. You can't get good practice or scrims in at all. Even then look at liquid who is the only relevant NA team they're still trying improve and top tier team in Cs atm with dead NA region.
RGS_OnToP [#13]cs: go pros are totally irrelevant none of them
except for simple has followers
Fer said shit, but you're also talking a lot kkkkkk just see the simple fact of Gauls putting 700k of people watching an Imperial game (former fer team)
uentzoul [#26]Fer said shit, but you're also talking a lot kkkkkk just see the simple fact of Gauls putting 700k of people watching an Imperial game (former fer team)
gaules is NOT a pro homeboy
He is a cc lol
BTW his 700 k viewer aren't worth that much if they all come from the wrong country (,russia,ukraine)
shound only had 289k max but his valorant viewer are from important market like Na,JP which automatically makes them more valuable than gaules his
Zapkhiel [#32]He didn't say anything wrong, there are several players who switched to valorant because their cs careers were bad or in decline
why would pros play in a dead esport scenes? Orgs and sponsors were pulling out left and right lol. It was a much more lucrative decision for anyone that wasn't in EU or tier 1 teams to switch.
Zapkhiel [#32]He didn't say anything wrong, there are several players who switched to valorant because their cs careers were bad or in decline
idk if im understanding it wrong but to me it sounds like he is saying if x player can switch and do good ,its not really that competitive
RGS_OnToP [#33]gaules is NOT a pro homeboy
He is a cc lol
BTW his 700 k viewer aren't worth that much if they all come from the wrong country (,russia,ukraine)
shound only had 289k max but his valorant viewer are from important market like Na,JP which automatically makes them more valuable than gaules his
I think you have a problem with text interpretation. Gaules didn't get 700k views because it was him, but because of the players from Imperial, FalleN, Fer and FNX, just that, it wasn't even Major Playoffs, the guys are literally idolized, it's not because they're not in their bubble that n exist
sad_gambit_fan [#35]idk if im understanding it wrong but to me it sounds like he is saying if x player can switch and do good ,its not really that competitive
Obviously, because they were good in another game doesn't mean they're going to be as good here, they have to do their part as well
sad_gambit_fan [#35]idk if im understanding it wrong but to me it sounds like he is saying if x player can switch and do good ,its not really that competitive
That's exactly how every new esports start though . Literally first year and half of comp valorant was a joke its easy for cs players to dominate. Teams now in just the tier 2 scene are insane.
koromast [#40]he went 0-3 on his last major against c9 vit and 9z bro, he had to get his anger away with something.
Bro is washed like the Brazilian csgo scene
cocoluna [#41]Bro is washed like the Brazilian csgo scene
tbh csgo gatekeeping was twice as bad as they thought it was, they are fine now but all the br talent and NA talent went to valorant and in some years no one but washed gatekeeper pros will play majors tbh.
i mean if argentina and latam has 20 good players who still play cs:go competitively, and there is teams who are owning major winners and brazil/NA tier 1 currently like 9z and bestia corp its because something is being done the wrong way.
uentzoul [#36]I think you have a problem with text interpretation. Gaules didn't get 700k views because it was him, but because of the players from Imperial, FalleN, Fer and FNX, just that, it wasn't even Major Playoffs, the guys are literally idolized, it's not because they're not in their bubble that n exist
idolized and yet non of them has big follower
Fer 2x major winner = 689 k on twitch
ShahZaM 2x master =1,7 m on twitch
accept it Cs :go is totally irrelevant
RGS_OnToP [#43]idolized and yet non of them has big follower
Fer 2x major winner = 689 k on twitch
ShahZaM 2x master =1,7 m on twitch
accept it Cs :go is totally irrelevant
ShahZaM won 2 masters?
Rendzin [#44]ShahZaM won 2 masters?
Masters 1 na and masters 2 Reykjavik, yes. Berlin was masters 3
sad_gambit_fan [#29]csgo players when they realize gatekeeping makes it harder for newer players to get good - 🤯🤯🤯
csgo players when they realize its easier for talent to get recognized in valorant - 🤯🤯🤯🤯
csgo players when they realize valorant is a different game - 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
lmao what is this cope,yeah bro all the shit cs rejects are tier 1 because "its easier for talent to get recognized in valorant" hahhahahahah,valorant shooting is so fucking easy compared to cs anyone with experience and a decent aim can reach tier 1
reycac [#45]pretty undeniable facts,the best players in vall all sucked in cs ,yay,aspas,derke etc
I doubt that Derke sucked at cs given that he was born in 2003 and val launched in 2020, there have been literally 0 17yo tier 1 pros except monesy and young s1mple.
Ullyr [#34]why would pros play in a dead esport scenes? Orgs and sponsors were pulling out left and right lol. It was a much more lucrative decision for anyone that wasn't in EU or tier 1 teams to switch.
because they were shit to begin with and had no future in cs,most of the players who switched would have done it anyways no matter how alive their scene was
Ullyr [#38]That's exactly how every new esports start though . Literally first year and half of comp valorant was a joke its easy for cs players to dominate. Teams now in just the tier 2 scene are insane.
you do know like 90% of NA tier 2 top teams are ex cs semi pros lmaoooo
reycac [#45]pretty undeniable facts,the best players in vall all sucked in cs ,yay,aspas,derke etc
Forgot about twistz 2017, but my point still stands, you can't say whether a 17 yo guy sucks at csgo or not because people at that age are usually playing at academy level and get into tier 1-2 pro cs only by 19-20 yo.
asdfgh [#49]because they were shit to begin with and had no future in cs,most of the players who switched would have done it anyways no matter how alive their scene was
bro you live in a fantasy world. Even twistz realized NA was dead and moved to Europe LOL. Imagine if he switched to valorant instead would ppl call him a bot now? At the end of the day if Valve doesn't give a shit to grow their esports scene and actually let orgs have financial incentives their talents will leave.
C9 players AKA ex CHAOs csgo players left because they couldn't find good org to keep them. I'm impressed Liquid still consider top tier , That just shows you how uncompetitive tier 1 CS is atm. People are hard coping but the cs scene been dry for a while now.
Po, estranho
Fer acabou a carreira profissional, n bota nem 2k de pessoas na live e do nada mete uma dessa
Me parece querer atenção
Uma pena um dos caras que mais representou o br no esports mandar uma dessa...
Bom, essa vai ser a única atenção q ele vai ter de mim pelo menos xD
-Supernova O Rei do Valorant
Ullyr [#52]bro you live in a fantasy world. Even twistz realized NA was dead and moved to Europe LOL. Imagine if he switched to valorant instead would ppl call him a bot now? At the end of the day if Valve doesn't give a shit to grow their esports scene and actually let orgs have financial incentives their talents will leave.
C9 players AKA ex CHAOs csgo players left because they couldn't find good org to keep them. I'm impressed Liquid still consider top tier , That just shows you how uncompetitive tier 1 CS is atm. People are hard coping but the cs scene been dry for a while now.
Csgo is dead outside of cis and Scandinavia, all the upcoming young stars are Russian and Danish for the most part.
Ullyr [#52]bro you live in a fantasy world. Even twistz realized NA was dead and moved to Europe LOL. Imagine if he switched to valorant instead would ppl call him a bot now? At the end of the day if Valve doesn't give a shit to grow their esports scene and actually let orgs have financial incentives their talents will leave.
C9 players AKA ex CHAOs csgo players left because they couldn't find good org to keep them. I'm impressed Liquid still consider top tier , That just shows you how uncompetitive tier 1 CS is atm. People are hard coping but the cs scene been dry for a while now.
yeah expect that twistzz is actually good lol,also the game being alive in many regions has nothing to do with competitveness,and most of the pros who switched played when NA cs was still alive and did nothing special in lans
asdfgh [#50]you do know like 90% of NA tier 2 top teams are ex cs semi pros lmaoooo
Cause both cs and valorant are tactical fps and csgo came first? What does that prove lol there still tier 2 atm. There's also so many new and young players like players on the Guard. You have some delusional take my guy.
Ullyr [#56]Cause both cs and valorant are tactical fps and csgo came first? What does that prove lol there still tier 2 atm. There's also so many new and young players like players on the Guard. You have some delusional take my guy.
what does that have to do with the fact that cs players are still dominating
asdfgh [#55]yeah expect that twistzz is actually good lol,also the game being alive in many regions has nothing to do with competitveness,and most of the pros who switched played when NA cs was still alive and did nothing special in lans
lol such a trash take Nitr0 ex valorant player is playing for liquid a top 4-5 CSGO team now. According to CSGO fanboys when Nitr0 does good he has always been good player. When he does bad he's a valorant player.
You need esports scene to be alive for orgs or players to even consider going pro seriously. When a scene is dead they're just doing it for money.
The fact that Liquid and even teams like EG taking games off of EU top tier teams is a joke to me.
asdfgh [#57]what does that have to do with the fact that cs players are still dominating
They aren't? What? They're literally getting pushed out of tier 1 scene into tier 2 scene. Some are quitting and retiring. The younger valorant players are coming in. Look at what subroza doing now streaming, Where the fk is wardell? Stewie2k and the nation just lost to tier 2 valorant teams and can't even make the tier 2 scene. LMAO
Ullyr [#58]lol such a trash take Nitr0 ex valorant player is playing for liquid a top 4-5 CSGO team now. According to CSGO fanboys when Nitr0 does good he has always been good player. When he does bad he's a valorant player.
You need esports scene to be alive for orgs or players to even consider going pro seriously. When a scene is dead they're just doing it for money.
The fact that Liquid and even teams like EG taking games off of EU top tier teams is a joke to me.
maybe because nitr0 has played cs for like 10 years competitively and is igling,idk wtf ur trying to say with that valorant player point but he is and has been extremely washed in cs and couldn't even call when he first joined, yet in valorant he was being rated a top controller and a good fragger
Ullyr [#58]lol such a trash take Nitr0 ex valorant player is playing for liquid a top 4-5 CSGO team now. According to CSGO fanboys when Nitr0 does good he has always been good player. When he does bad he's a valorant player.
You need esports scene to be alive for orgs or players to even consider going pro seriously. When a scene is dead they're just doing it for money.
The fact that Liquid and even teams like EG taking games off of EU top tier teams is a joke to me.
Daily CSGO argument on VLR
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Ullyr [#60]They aren't? What? They're literally getting pushed out of tier 1 scene into tier 2 scene. Some are quitting and retiring. The younger valorant players are coming in. Look at what subroza doing now streaming, Where the fk is wardell? Stewie2k and the nation just lost to tier 2 valorant teams and can't even make the tier 2 scene. LMAO
oh they aren't?,i think you should do a re check
asdfgh [#63]oh they aren't?,i think you should do a re check
you should get your brain check ngl. CSGO players elitism and gatekeeping never ceased to amazed me. Fornite players owned the Nation and stewie.
Ullyr [#64]you should get your brain check ngl. CSGO players elitism and gatekeeping never ceased to amazed me. Fornite players owned the Nation and stewie.
and how are they doing with the actual good teams?,why do you act like stewie was like a decent cs player or something do you not know how fucking horrible he was when he retired
asdfgh [#65]and how are they doing with the actual good teams?,why do you act like stewie was like a decent cs player or something do you not know how fucking horrible he was when he retired
They're doing fine better than stewie aka major winner and the nation.
asdfgh [#61]maybe because nitr0 has played cs for like 10 years competitively and is igling,idk wtf ur trying to say with that valorant player point but he is and has been extremely washed in cs and couldn't even call when he first joined, yet in valorant he was being rated a top controller and a good fragger
?? He's washed but in top 4 team in liquid and doing well. Nitr0 doing well in new valorant esports scene one year in. Ok average bronze take.
Ullyr [#66]They're doing fine better than stewie aka major winner and the nation.
this is ur major winner stewie in cs before he switched
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?startDate=2022-02-19&endDate=2023-02-19&teamId=10399
Fer played CS for more than 10 years, a huge knowledge gap exists in CS then he blame people how choose to start In a new game that doesn't have this gap, for me he's nothing more than a whiner who's still a professional player just because of the knowledge acquired over the years, because he's a piece of shit in terms of skill.
10 years old and has horrible aim, even kids in 1-2 years training correctly will aim better than him.
Retire.
Next.
asdfgh [#68]this is ur major winner stewie in cs before he switched
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?startDate=2022-02-19&endDate=2023-02-19&teamId=10399
still got major KEKW . CS fanboys don't realized how braindead their takes are. Saying valorant easy when major winners can't even make tier 2.
Ullyr [#67]?? He's washed but in top 4 team in liquid and doing well. Nitr0 doing well in new valorant esports scene one year in. Ok average bronze take.
they could get any tier 2 eu igl and he would do the job just as good,also "doing well" lmao everyone literally wanted to kick him for the first 6 months he was there then they got a little boost from osee and yekindar and now u think hes "doing well" lmao
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7687/nitr0?startDate=2022-01-15&endDate=2023-02-19&teamId=5973
asdfgh [#68]this is ur major winner stewie in cs before he switched
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?startDate=2022-02-19&endDate=2023-02-19&teamId=10399
Bro don't argue with some VLR user that clearly knows nothing about the CSGO scene.
Debating with 99% of the users here is like talking to a brick wall.
They can't rationalize anything
asdfgh [#47]lmao what is this cope,yeah bro all the shit cs rejects are tier 1 because "its easier for talent to get recognized in valorant" hahhahahahah,valorant shooting is so fucking easy compared to cs anyone with experience and a decent aim can reach tier 1
Then why didn't stewie2k and his team of ex cs players make into tier 2 valorant?
asdfgh [#71]they could get any tier 2 eu igl and he would do the job just as good,also "doing well" lmao everyone literally wanted to kick him for the first 6 months he was there then they got a little boost from osee and yekindar and now u think hes "doing well" lmao
https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7687/nitr0?startDate=2022-01-15&endDate=2023-02-19&teamId=5973
that's how ik you bronze, his igling his what carrying liquid as a team now.
Ullyr [#74]that's how ik you bronze, his igling his what carrying liquid as a team now.
yeah if i think about it like a true radiant it actually becomes quite clear that it is indeed his igling thats carrying liquid rn,thankfully we have a cs expert here who claims to understand what makes liquid a good team but probably has 5h on the game and peaked at siler 4
Mocratow [#72]Bro don't argue with some VLR user that clearly knows nothing about the CSGO scene.
Debating with 99% of the users here is like talking to a brick wall.
They can't rationalize anything
and arguing with a csgo fanboy is like talking to a trashcan. Their brains aren't on right and they think their players are the best in the world. Can't realized their scene is filled with washed bots that would get exposed if they don't gatekeep their talent from tier1.
Ullyr [#73]Then why didn't stewie2k and his team of ex cs players make into tier 2 valorant?
i mean if you cant even compete in tier 2 NA cs and ur lazy and at the end of ur career what makes you think they could do it in valorant
mzto [#23]my god... if you are really from north korea I understand, I don't even know if you can use vlr there, much less play or watch valorant
Rules are meant to be broken
asdfgh [#77]i mean if you cant even compete in tier 2 NA cs and ur lazy and at the end of ur career what makes you think they could do it in valorant
Because depends on your statement valorant is way more easier than csgo so even they are lazy csgo player they still can do it
AzShun [#80]Because depends on your statement valorant is way more easier than csgo so even they are lazy csgo player they still can do it
i mean he did beat teams that scrim everyday for a year with a team that was formed weeks ago,valorant is way easier mechanically thats why players like fns can still hang in tier 1,who said lazy players can make it to tier 1 wtf i just said the game is easier ofc you still have to work hard to be at the top because otherwise you get outworked like in all competitive things?
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