Why the fk TSM gets the most difficult team out of the 4 lmao...Always the same shit bruh
Edit: It actually turned out to be better lol. Now they play against the loser from C9 vs ADX, which is better than playing against NRG or SEN
Viper and Yoru buffs
HRTF Audio
reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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8
3
+5
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3
12
-9
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6
5
+1
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13
10
+3
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12
11
+1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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10
3
+7
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9
3
+6
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11
10
+1
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5
11
-6
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9
11
-2
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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16
7
+9
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20
8
+12
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12
12
+0
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9
8
+1
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6
10
-4
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jcStani
IMT
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11
7
+4
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9
6
+3
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8
12
-4
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8
5
+3
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6
16
-10
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Genghsta
IMT
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5
3
+2
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6
5
+1
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7
11
-4
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13
8
+5
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14
9
+5
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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2
1
+1
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0
1
-1
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1
1
+0
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1
0
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2
0
+2
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Kehmicals
IMT
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2
1
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2
1
+1
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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2
3
-1
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5
2
+3
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1
2
-1
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1
1
+0
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0
2
-2
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jcStani
IMT
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3
0
+3
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2
0
+2
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4
6
-2
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3
1
+2
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0
2
-2
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Genghsta
IMT
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2
1
+1
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0
2
-2
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1
1
+0
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1
2
-1
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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4
-4
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Kehmicals
IMT
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3
-3
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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0
7
-7
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jcStani
IMT
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3
0
+3
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1
0
+1
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1
6
-5
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3
0
+3
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1
0
+1
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Genghsta
IMT
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0
4
-4
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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0
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Genghsta
IMT
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9
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2
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1
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52
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2
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5
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Rossy
IMT
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10
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1
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1
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42
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13
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2
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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13
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4
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2
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68
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3
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1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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12
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2
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50
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5
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1
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Drone
TSM
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10
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4
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2
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1
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72
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5
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2
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WARDELL
TSM
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10
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3
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2
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2
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48
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3
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0
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reltuC
TSM
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4
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29
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2
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0
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hazed
TSM
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3
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1
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1
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2
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44
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5
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3
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Subroza
TSM
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10
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1
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47
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7
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3
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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4
0
+4
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1
2
-1
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2
1
+1
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4
2
+2
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5
4
+1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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6
0
+6
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6
1
+5
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5
3
+2
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2
1
+1
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4
2
+2
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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1
0
+1
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5
2
+3
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3
2
+1
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3
3
+0
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2
3
-1
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jcStani
IMT
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5
1
+4
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2
2
+0
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2
2
+0
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2
2
+0
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1
5
-4
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Genghsta
IMT
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0
1
-1
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3
0
+3
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3
2
+1
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4
3
+1
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3
2
+1
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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1
0
+1
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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1
1
+0
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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jcStani
IMT
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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0
1
-1
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Genghsta
IMT
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2
0
+2
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0
2
-2
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1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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Kehmicals
IMT
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0
1
-1
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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jcStani
IMT
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2
0
+2
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1
0
+1
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1
1
+0
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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Genghsta
IMT
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0
1
-1
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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jcStani
IMT
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4
Round 7
hazed
WARDELL
Round 10
reltuC
Drone
Round 13
reltuC
WARDELL
Round 18
Subroza
reltuC
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55
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1
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0
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Genghsta
IMT
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3
Round 11
hazed
Drone
Round 12
Subroza
WARDELL
Round 14
hazed
WARDELL
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53
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0
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0
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Rossy
IMT
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5
Round 4
hazed
WARDELL
Round 5
Subroza
Drone
Round 6
Subroza
Drone
Round 7
Drone
Subroza
Round 16
reltuC
Drone
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61
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3
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2
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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4
Round 8
hazed
Subroza
Round 13
Drone
hazed
Round 16
WARDELL
hazed
Round 18
hazed
Drone
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67
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1
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1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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8
Round 3
hazed
Subroza
Round 5
hazed
reltuC
Round 6
hazed
WARDELL
Round 8
WARDELL
reltuC
Round 9
Drone
WARDELL
Round 12
Drone
reltuC
Round 15
Drone
WARDELL
Round 17
hazed
reltuC
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1
Round 19
reltuC
Drone
hazed
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80
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1
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0
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Drone
TSM
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1
Round 15
jcStani
ShoT_UP
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1
Round 3
jcStani
Rossy
ShoT_UP
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2
Round 4
Genghsta
jcStani
Rossy
Kehmicals
Round 17
jcStani
Kehmicals
Genghsta
Rossy
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77
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2
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0
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WARDELL
TSM
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2
Round 1
ShoT_UP
Kehmicals
Round 2
Genghsta
ShoT_UP
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1
Round 5
Genghsta
Kehmicals
jcStani
Rossy
WARDELL
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2
Round 3
Kehmicals
Round 5
Rossy
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29
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3
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0
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reltuC
TSM
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15
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1
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0
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hazed
TSM
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26
|
1
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0
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Subroza
TSM
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2
Round 1
Genghsta
Rossy
Round 2
Kehmicals
jcStani
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34
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0
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0
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
|
3
1
+2
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1
7
-6
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3
2
+1
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3
2
+1
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4
3
+1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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0
2
-2
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0
2
-2
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3
3
+0
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0
3
-3
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0
5
-5
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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5
3
+2
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7
3
+4
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4
6
-2
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3
2
+1
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2
3
-1
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jcStani
IMT
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4
3
+1
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2
3
-1
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3
6
-3
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6
1
+5
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4
5
-1
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Genghsta
IMT
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3
1
+2
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3
4
-1
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0
6
-6
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5
2
+3
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6
1
+5
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
|
1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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Kehmicals
IMT
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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1
1
+0
|
1
1
+0
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0
1
-1
|
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0
1
-1
|
jcStani
IMT
|
1
0
+1
|
1
0
+1
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2
4
-2
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3
1
+2
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Genghsta
IMT
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0
1
-1
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
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0
2
-2
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Kehmicals
IMT
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0
1
-1
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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0
4
-4
|
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jcStani
IMT
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1
0
+1
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0
4
-4
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2
0
+2
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Genghsta
IMT
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0
2
-2
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jcStani
IMT
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4
Round 1
hazed
reltuC
Round 4
Subroza
Drone
Round 14
Subroza
reltuC
Round 20
WARDELL
WARDELL
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1
Round 7
reltuC
Subroza
Drone
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64
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0
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0
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Genghsta
IMT
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5
Round 12
reltuC
Subroza
Round 13
Drone
reltuC
Round 16
Drone
Subroza
Round 18
Subroza
reltuC
Round 21
Subroza
hazed
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58
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0
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1
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Rossy
IMT
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4
Round 1
Drone
Subroza
Round 2
Drone
WARDELL
Round 6
Drone
reltuC
Round 20
hazed
reltuC
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1
Round 2
WARDELL
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37
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6
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0
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ShoT_UP
IMT
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3
Round 2
reltuC
hazed
Round 4
hazed
reltuC
Round 9
hazed
WARDELL
|
2
Round 5
Drone
Subroza
reltuC
Round 16
hazed
WARDELL
reltuC
|
1
Round 15
hazed
reltuC
Drone
Subroza
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56
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0
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0
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Kehmicals
IMT
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22
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4
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1
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Drone
TSM
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3
Round 7
Rossy
Kehmicals
Round 10
Kehmicals
ShoT_UP
Round 21
jcStani
Genghsta
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2
Round 8
Rossy
Kehmicals
jcStani
Round 22
jcStani
ShoT_UP
Kehmicals
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1
Round 7
jcStani
Genghsta
Kehmicals
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60
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0
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1
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WARDELL
TSM
|
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4
Round 4
jcStani
ShoT_UP
Round 5
jcStani
Kehmicals
Round 13
jcStani
ShoT_UP
Round 18
Rossy
ShoT_UP
|
3
Round 2
Kehmicals
ShoT_UP
Genghsta
Round 16
jcStani
Rossy
Kehmicals
Round 17
ShoT_UP
jcStani
Genghsta
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74
|
0
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0
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reltuC
TSM
|
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2
Round 5
Genghsta
Rossy
Round 18
Kehmicals
jcStani
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41
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0
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0
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hazed
TSM
|
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2
Round 13
Rossy
Genghsta
Round 19
Rossy
Kehmicals
|
1
Round 10
jcStani
Genghsta
Rossy
|
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1
Round 14
ShoT_UP
jcStani
Kehmicals
Rossy
Genghsta
|
1
Round 13
Genghsta
|
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58
|
1
|
2
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Subroza
TSM
|
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3
Round 6
jcStani
Kehmicals
Round 9
Kehmicals
Genghsta
Round 12
ShoT_UP
Kehmicals
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36
|
6
|
2
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
|
WARDELL
TSM
|
Subroza
TSM
|
Drone
TSM
|
|
Rossy
IMT
|
1
2
-1
|
1
3
-2
|
1
2
-1
|
6
6
+0
|
3
4
-1
|
Kehmicals
IMT
|
4
1
+3
|
3
0
+3
|
3
4
-1
|
3
7
-4
|
5
4
+1
|
ShoT_UP
IMT
|
10
4
+6
|
8
3
+5
|
5
4
+1
|
3
3
+0
|
2
4
-2
|
jcStani
IMT
|
2
3
-1
|
5
1
+4
|
3
4
-1
|
0
2
-2
|
1
6
-5
|
Genghsta
IMT
|
2
1
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
4
3
+1
|
4
3
+1
|
5
6
-1
|
reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
|
WARDELL
TSM
|
Subroza
TSM
|
Drone
TSM
|
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Rossy
IMT
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
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Kehmicals
IMT
|
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1
1
+0
|
2
1
+1
|
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ShoT_UP
IMT
|
1
2
-1
|
3
0
+3
|
1
0
+1
|
0
1
-1
|
0
1
-1
|
jcStani
IMT
|
1
0
+1
|
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2
1
+1
|
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0
1
-1
|
Genghsta
IMT
|
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0
1
-1
|
1
1
+0
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reltuC
TSM
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hazed
TSM
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WARDELL
TSM
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Subroza
TSM
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Drone
TSM
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Rossy
IMT
|
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0
2
-2
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Kehmicals
IMT
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0
1
-1
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ShoT_UP
IMT
|
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0
3
-3
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jcStani
IMT
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0
1
-1
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Genghsta
IMT
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0
1
-1
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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jcStani
IMT
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1
Round 10
WARDELL
hazed
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34
|
1
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0
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Genghsta
IMT
|
|
1
Round 1
Drone
Subroza
|
2
Round 5
reltuC
Subroza
Drone
Round 8
reltuC
Drone
WARDELL
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1
Round 8
WARDELL
|
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45
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2
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4
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Rossy
IMT
|
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1
Round 2
Subroza
Drone
|
1
Round 12
Subroza
reltuC
Drone
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28
|
4
|
0
|
ShoT_UP
IMT
|
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6
Round 2
hazed
reltuC
Round 10
reltuC
Subroza
Round 11
WARDELL
hazed
Round 15
hazed
reltuC
Round 17
hazed
reltuC
Round 24
reltuC
WARDELL
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2
Round 19
WARDELL
Subroza
reltuC
Round 21
reltuC
Drone
Subroza
|
1
Round 20
hazed
Drone
reltuC
WARDELL
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
82
|
2
|
0
|
Kehmicals
IMT
|
|
4
Round 1
reltuC
WARDELL
Round 11
Drone
reltuC
Round 15
WARDELL
Drone
Round 16
Subroza
hazed
|
1
Round 7
Drone
reltuC
hazed
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
0
|
0
|
Drone
TSM
|
|
6
Round 3
Genghsta
Kehmicals
Round 6
Genghsta
Rossy
Round 8
jcStani
Kehmicals
Round 13
jcStani
Rossy
Round 17
ShoT_UP
Genghsta
Round 22
Rossy
Genghsta
|
1
Round 23
ShoT_UP
jcStani
Kehmicals
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
80
|
3
|
1
|
WARDELL
TSM
|
|
4
Round 3
jcStani
ShoT_UP
Round 6
ShoT_UP
jcStani
Round 8
Rossy
ShoT_UP
Round 21
Kehmicals
Genghsta
|
|
1
Round 9
Kehmicals
jcStani
ShoT_UP
Rossy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
40
|
0
|
0
|
reltuC
TSM
|
|
2
Round 4
ShoT_UP
Genghsta
Round 5
ShoT_UP
jcStani
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
30
|
1
|
0
|
hazed
TSM
|
|
1
Round 19
Rossy
ShoT_UP
|
|
|
|
1
Round 21
ShoT_UP
|
|
|
|
|
47
|
3
|
1
|
Subroza
TSM
|
|
5
Round 5
Rossy
Kehmicals
Round 13
ShoT_UP
Kehmicals
Round 14
Genghsta
Rossy
Round 22
ShoT_UP
ShoT_UP
Round 23
Rossy
Genghsta
|
|
1
Round 18
Kehmicals
jcStani
Rossy
Genghsta
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
71
|
1
|
1
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if you look at the head to head between tsm and immortals tsm has won the majority of their matchups. they only lost as bad as they did in the last match up because they swapped their igl (hazed) with brax, comms were probably bad and plays may have not been coordinated because of this. there was also very poor individual performance from wardell and subroza. wardell couldnt hit any op shots and it wasn't even because they were countering him, he was just simply whiffing. however now they have returned to their original lineup (with hazed) and switched subroza to play skye where he has had a massive improvement in performance. this series will most likely be very different from the last.
fuck it, subroza and wardell are hot, Cutler isn’t being a total bot, i’m predicting a TSM win. i really shouldn’t get my hopes up to be crushed again... sigh.
It’s nice to see TSM finally win against quality opponents again. First Soniqs, who aren’t insane but still a quality team, and now Gen.G, both quality wins
TSM is always easy to lose focus when playing, and when they lose a few rounds, they have a hard time getting up and winning the other rounds. in the last match against Gen.G, TSM lost 5 consecutive rounds in the haven map, that's a worry. although in the end they were able to win. The appearance of TSM is always like that.
that's just my opinion after seeing TSM's game after they lost by 100T in First Strike final. After that, their appearance was extremely unstable. even though in 2020, their performances / games are good and stable, for example by beating Sentinels, C9B, etc., in various tournaments and winning tournaments.
Yes, have to agree here. They’re very momentum based, losing and winning rounds in big chunks. For example, they started 5-0 against LG on Ascent and proceeded to lose 6 in a row (later losing the game itself).
Gen.G scared me on both maps for that reason. 9-0 finished as a 13-6, and 9-3 ended as a 13-9. However, these games may actually help TSM’s mental. They’ve proven to themselves that they can hold off a mid-map surge from their opponent and prevent a comeback.
Immortals is a weird one. Like they've lost to teams like C9 and LG (no offense to LG) but then occasionally beat Envy and Sentinels.
Not sure how much I should consider the last match up between Immortals vs TSM cause that just looked like a hard throw or a very bad showing.
I'd say TSM 2-1 just based off of the GenG game. Not sure how much I should consider that game either though Wardell looked solid. Subroza found a decent amount of consistency in that game as well.
Good old problems from TSM yet again. When they start losing, they do not know how to recover and it's always only Drone getting some picks. Subroza and Wardell unable to open up space while Cutler and Hazed are just losing gun fights. I just don't see any possibilities from this roster to compete at the highest level again.