I think the pacific league or maybe the americas league.
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Qwertyy [#3]americas will have a close run for second, with C9 easily in first
C9 couldn't even beat Fokus man you gotta relax with this shit 😭
EMEA, so far EMEA has been the strongest and more competitive region more consistently.
I think people have started to forget this due to Champions. Before that NA was pretty much 1 team region with OpTic carrying them and the gap between them and rest of NA was noticable especially on international tournaments. Also we don't know how these teams are going to perform next year. You can stack good players together but that doesn't mean anything if they can't make the team work. This goes for teams like Sentinels and C9 especially. Also LOUD split and even though I think they are still going to be good they won't be same as the Champions LOUD. Leviatan is already good and will likely get better, but I think its still hard to predict that can they keep up. Outside of 100T, NRG, SEN, C9, LOUD and LEV I don't see other American teams worth mentioning. But who knows.
Pacific was just DRX, PRX and Zeta pretty much. Rest of the teams were always pretty mediocre and even though they have some potentially good teams I doubt they will reach same heights as these for some time at least. Maybe Talon, GenG, T1 can do something but doubt they will do that well.
While EMEA has the big 3 teams aka NaVi, Fnatic and TL that in my opinion are some of the best teams on paper and these teams or players have shown that they can be some of the best. Ofc same as with NA teams we don't know will they work as team, but historically EMEA teams have performed better and there isn't as many inconsistencies as NA. And then you have KOI, VIT and GIA with some good players and potential. And overall I'm just basing this on previous events. EMEA teams let it be Liquid during Iceland 22, Guild during Copenhagen, G2 during Berlin 21, Fnatic during Champions 21 always do well despite people underrating them and expecting worse levels. The competition in EMEA has always just been so high that even the slightly weaker ones would have been decently competitive in international tourneys or in other regions.
Just my opinion and it isnt based on straight facts but more like prediction and historic evidence. Also based on cultural differences and history in other esports. Americas is likely more stacked on paper for now, but I still think EMEA will produce higher levels on more consistent sense. EMEA = Americas > Pacific.
Qwertyy [#3]americas will have a close run for second, with C9 easily in first
Lost to YaboiLewis playing yoru, got 3-0ed by 100t
patuj [#6]EMEA, so far EMEA has been the strongest and more competitive region more consistently.
I think people have started to forget this due to Champions. Before that NA was pretty much 1 team region with OpTic carrying them and the gap between them and rest of NA was noticable especially on international tournaments. Also we don't know how these teams are going to perform next year. You can stack good players together but that doesn't mean anything if they can't make the team work. This goes for teams like Sentinels and C9 especially. Also LOUD split and even though I think they are still going to be good they won't be same as the Champions LOUD. Leviatan is already good and will likely get better, but I think its still hard to predict that can they keep up. Outside of 100T, NRG, SEN, C9, LOUD and LEV I don't see other American teams worth mentioning. But who knows.
Pacific was just DRX, PRX and Zeta pretty much. Rest of the teams were always pretty mediocre and even though they have some potentially good teams I doubt they will reach same heights as these for some time at least. Maybe Talon, GenG, T1 can do something but doubt they will do that well.
While EMEA has the big 3 teams aka NaVi, Fnatic and TL that in my opinion are some of the best teams on paper and these teams or players have shown that they can be some of the best. Ofc same as with NA teams we don't know will they work as team, but historically EMEA teams have performed better and there isn't as many inconsistencies as NA. And then you have KOI, VIT and GIA with some good players and potential. And overall I'm just basing this on previous events. EMEA teams let it be Liquid during Iceland 22, Guild during Copenhagen, G2 during Berlin 21, Fnatic during Champions 21 always do well despite people underrating them and expecting worse levels. The competition in EMEA has always just been so high that even the slightly weaker ones would have been decently competitive in international tourneys or in other regions.
Just my opinion and it isnt based on straight facts but more like prediction and historic evidence. Also based on cultural differences and history in other esports. Americas is likely more stacked on paper for now, but I still think EMEA will produce higher levels on more consistent sense. EMEA = Americas > Pacific.
Americas will likely have the tightest competition within the region like they have always had due to teams being so inconsistent regionally, but I think EMEA will produce more international LAN contender ready teams. But for example NA teams are made from ex-more consistent NA team players so maybe they won't be as inconsistent.
bonkashi [#5]C9 couldn't even beat Fokus man you gotta relax with this shit 😭
if i recall that was C9's first game as a team and yay was on yoru map 3
i also think that C9 went 4-0 on maps after that, and 2-0'd the team that took out lulquid
patuj [#6]EMEA, so far EMEA has been the strongest and more competitive region more consistently.
I think people have started to forget this due to Champions. Before that NA was pretty much 1 team region with OpTic carrying them and the gap between them and rest of NA was noticable especially on international tournaments. Also we don't know how these teams are going to perform next year. You can stack good players together but that doesn't mean anything if they can't make the team work. This goes for teams like Sentinels and C9 especially. Also LOUD split and even though I think they are still going to be good they won't be same as the Champions LOUD. Leviatan is already good and will likely get better, but I think its still hard to predict that can they keep up. Outside of 100T, NRG, SEN, C9, LOUD and LEV I don't see other American teams worth mentioning. But who knows.
Pacific was just DRX, PRX and Zeta pretty much. Rest of the teams were always pretty mediocre and even though they have some potentially good teams I doubt they will reach same heights as these for some time at least. Maybe Talon, GenG, T1 can do something but doubt they will do that well.
While EMEA has the big 3 teams aka NaVi, Fnatic and TL that in my opinion are some of the best teams on paper and these teams or players have shown that they can be some of the best. Ofc same as with NA teams we don't know will they work as team, but historically EMEA teams have performed better and there isn't as many inconsistencies as NA. And then you have KOI, VIT and GIA with some good players and potential. And overall I'm just basing this on previous events. EMEA teams let it be Liquid during Iceland 22, Guild during Copenhagen, G2 during Berlin 21, Fnatic during Champions 21 always do well despite people underrating them and expecting worse levels. The competition in EMEA has always just been so high that even the slightly weaker ones would have been decently competitive in international tourneys or in other regions.
Just my opinion and it isnt based on straight facts but more like prediction and historic evidence. Also based on cultural differences and history in other esports. Americas is likely more stacked on paper for now, but I still think EMEA will produce higher levels on more consistent sense. EMEA = Americas > Pacific.
Too many sandbagging orgs In emea imo.
Average strength: Americas > emea > Pacific
Top 3 team strength: emea > Americas > Pacific
capital_d_colon [#10]Too many sandbagging orgs In emea imo.
Average strength: Americas > emea > Pacific
Top 3 team strength: emea > Americas > Pacific
Yes unfortunately there are like 4 teams that likely will be pretty shit, but I still think they will be competitive enough to push the level of play forward. Heretic's problem is that they have really inconsistent players, but if they got more consistent they would be decent.
I just think that historically the top of EMEA has just been consistent enough to stay on top while rest of the teams weren't bad but just couldn't overtake them. While for example in NA every team outside of OpTic (later maybe stage 1 The Guard, XSET and 100T towards LCQ) were beating each other all the time due to long preparation times and lack of consistency. It made NA look more competitive in eyes of many because "oh NRG look good", but next week "oh 100T look insane because they beat NRG who looked good last week" while in reality it just showed inconsistencies within the teams instead of all of them being insane if you know what I mean.
Like I truly think "weaker "EMEA teams like NaVi, G2 even OGLU, BBL etc could have been competitive in NA especially outside like OpTic and The Guard, XSET at times and 100T during LCQ. But people don't give credit because the top of EMEA placements didn't change as much and the same teams were consistently placing top 3.
Qwertyy [#9]if i recall that was C9's first game as a team and yay was on yoru map 3
i also think that C9 went 4-0 on maps after that, and 2-0'd the team that took out lulquid
but but they lost 3-0 in humiliating fashion to 100T? surely they cant be first in americas league if they play like that??
hanafuji [#14]Pacific is by far the weakest compared to the other two
100%.
though i wouldnt be surprised if we see drx winning kick off
unknown_trash [#15]but but they lost 3-0 in humiliating fashion to 100T? surely they cant be first in americas league if they play like that??
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Qwertyy [#17]eu detected
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You see I might be EU but i love c9. Favourite team in NA franchising for me. But unlike you, I am also capable of thinking rationally and realistically. Now answer my question. how tf will c9 be best in NA franchising if they can't beat 100T?
unknown_trash [#18]You see I might be EU but i love c9. Favourite team in NA franchising for me. But unlike you, I am also capable of thinking rationally and realistically. Now answer my question. how tf will c9 be best in NA franchising if they can't beat 100T?
He's baiting don't worry
Piter [#19]He's baiting don't worry
yeah yeah i know, i still love qwertyy and i hope he never changes. that was a terrible bait though :(
patuj [#6]EMEA, so far EMEA has been the strongest and more competitive region more consistently.
I think people have started to forget this due to Champions. Before that NA was pretty much 1 team region with OpTic carrying them and the gap between them and rest of NA was noticable especially on international tournaments. Also we don't know how these teams are going to perform next year. You can stack good players together but that doesn't mean anything if they can't make the team work. This goes for teams like Sentinels and C9 especially. Also LOUD split and even though I think they are still going to be good they won't be same as the Champions LOUD. Leviatan is already good and will likely get better, but I think its still hard to predict that can they keep up. Outside of 100T, NRG, SEN, C9, LOUD and LEV I don't see other American teams worth mentioning. But who knows.
Pacific was just DRX, PRX and Zeta pretty much. Rest of the teams were always pretty mediocre and even though they have some potentially good teams I doubt they will reach same heights as these for some time at least. Maybe Talon, GenG, T1 can do something but doubt they will do that well.
While EMEA has the big 3 teams aka NaVi, Fnatic and TL that in my opinion are some of the best teams on paper and these teams or players have shown that they can be some of the best. Ofc same as with NA teams we don't know will they work as team, but historically EMEA teams have performed better and there isn't as many inconsistencies as NA. And then you have KOI, VIT and GIA with some good players and potential. And overall I'm just basing this on previous events. EMEA teams let it be Liquid during Iceland 22, Guild during Copenhagen, G2 during Berlin 21, Fnatic during Champions 21 always do well despite people underrating them and expecting worse levels. The competition in EMEA has always just been so high that even the slightly weaker ones would have been decently competitive in international tourneys or in other regions.
Just my opinion and it isnt based on straight facts but more like prediction and historic evidence. Also based on cultural differences and history in other esports. Americas is likely more stacked on paper for now, but I still think EMEA will produce higher levels on more consistent sense. EMEA = Americas > Pacific.
EMEA, so far EMEA has been the strongest and more competitive region more consistently.
I think people have started to forget this due to Champions. Before that NA was pretty much 1 team region with OpTic carrying them and the gap between them and rest of NA was noticable especially on international tournaments. Also we don't know how these teams are going to perform next year. You can stack good players together but that doesn't mean anything if they can't make the team work. This goes for teams like Sentinels and C9 especially. Also LOUD split and even though I think they are still going to be good they won't be same as the Champions LOUD. Leviatan is already good and will likely get better, but I think its still hard to predict that can they keep up. Outside of 100T, NRG, SEN, C9, LOUD and LEV I don't see other American teams worth mentioning. But who knows.
Pacific was just DRX, PRX and Zeta pretty much. Rest of the teams were always pretty mediocre and even though they have some potentially good teams I doubt they will reach same heights as these for some time at least. Maybe Talon, GenG, T1 can do something but doubt they will do that well.
While EMEA has the big 3 teams aka NaVi, Fnatic and TL that in my opinion are some of the best teams on paper and these teams or players have shown that they can be some of the best. Ofc same as with NA teams we don't know will they work as team, but historically EMEA teams have performed better and there isn't as many inconsistencies as NA. And then you have KOI, VIT and GIA with some good players and potential. And overall I'm just basing this on previous events. EMEA teams let it be Liquid during Iceland 22, Guild during Copenhagen, G2 during Berlin 21, Fnatic during Champions 21 always do well despite people underrating them and expecting worse levels. The competition in EMEA has always just been so high that even the slightly weaker ones would have been decently competitive in international tourneys or in other regions.
Just my opinion and it isnt based on straight facts but more like prediction and historic evidence. Also based on cultural differences and history in other esports. Americas is likely more stacked on paper for now, but I still think EMEA will produce higher levels on more consistent sense. EMEA = Americas > Pacific.
unknown_trash [#20]yeah yeah i know, i still love qwertyy and i hope he never changes. that was a terrible bait though :(
no one loves qwertyy bro.
americas its a region where atleast 6 teams can win it all nrg, lev, loud, sen, c9 and 100t, all these teams can both end on 1st or 6th, but on emea its just 3 tl,navi,fnc and a dark horse (koi) so im way more interested on americas even if i like emea teams and players they just did a lot of weird shit with the players roles and taking not tier 1 ready mfers instead of getting excel/acend/big/fokus/navi from the past year players (yeah ofc im pointing at you kcorp/bbl/fut). about Apac league im watching only the best matches because my new schedule fucked me up a lot so i dont think ill have time to watch it.
Kezyyz [#23]no one loves qwertyy bro.
wrong. i like all good baiters. they keep this site alive. if everyone was boring and based then this site would be long dead. thats why i appreciate baiters like babysasuke, qwertyy and others for making this site fun for everyone.
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