Optic had the easiest road to upper bracket finals with wins over XSET and DRX.
The same DRX they barely beat got destroyed by FPX so the proof is in the pudding.
Guild deserved an easier bracket to show their strength but their first opponent was FPX, thanks Riot.
reylarc [#3]xerxia so underated, they fight so well and they almost beat fpx just 1 round deficit tbh they might be better than drx,loud,and kru
It was fpx with seider, which was nothing compared to fpx with suygetsu
reylarc [#3]xerxia so underated, they fight so well and they almost beat fpx just 1 round deficit tbh they might be better than drx,loud,and kru
but they lost to nth too
reylarc [#3]xerxia so underated, they fight so well and they almost beat fpx just 1 round deficit tbh they might be better than drx,loud,and kru
The only team at the event worse than them was XSET and XIA have had a lot more LAN experience, I don’t think they’re underrated
reylarc [#3]xerxia so underated, they fight so well and they almost beat fpx just 1 round deficit tbh they might be better than drx,loud,and kru
lose to nth is a big meh
There's no way LEV should be considered the 4th best team in the world right now. How are they 2 spots above OPTC when in the two common games they had, OPTC handled XSET and beat DRX, while LEV barely beat XSET and lost to DRX? It's fair to say that OPTC had the easiest road to upper finals with wins over XSET and DRX, but you can't then go and put LEV at 4th for performing worse against the same teams just because they had a close match against a clearly struggling FNC.
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tttangent [#10]There's no way LEV should be considered the 4th best team in the world right now. How are they 2 spots above OPTC when in the two common games they had, OPTC handled XSET and beat DRX, while LEV barely beat XSET and lost to DRX? It's fair to say that OPTC had the easiest road to upper finals with wins over XSET and DRX, but you can't then go and put LEV at 4th for performing worse against the same teams just because they had a close match against a clearly struggling FNC.
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Don’t tell Shownu that the only teams that Fnatic beat were the same ones that DRX beat 🤫
I have OPTC over FNC because while OPTC's wins were against easier competition (XSET and DRX), you can make the same argument about FNC, since they only beat FPX without suygetsu and they just barely scraped out a win against LEV (who in turn only managed to barely beat XSET). I think you can fairly swap 3rd/4th but I would personally put OPTC higher.
tttangent [#10]There's no way LEV should be considered the 4th best team in the world right now. How are they 2 spots above OPTC when in the two common games they had, OPTC handled XSET and beat DRX, while LEV barely beat XSET and lost to DRX? It's fair to say that OPTC had the easiest road to upper finals with wins over XSET and DRX, but you can't then go and put LEV at 4th for performing worse against the same teams just because they had a close match against a clearly struggling FNC.
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Optic barely beat DRX going into OT, LEV would beat them both if they didn't face Fnatic.
Shownu [#14]Optic barely beat DRX going into OT, LEV would beat them both if they didn't face Fnatic.
didn't LEV lose to DRX?
also didn't LEV almost lose 4 different times to XSET? (XSET had series point 4 different rounds)
Sprouts [#8]Optic at #6 is wild and both NTH and DRX beat XIA and LEV in head to head matches while placing equally/higher than them
It was LEVs first match and DRX 1000s match on lan.
tttangent [#13]
- PRX
- FPX
- OPTC
- FNC
- GLD
- DRX
- LEV
- KRU
- LOUD
- XSET
- NTH
- XIA
I have OPTC over FNC because while OPTC's wins were against easier competition (XSET and DRX), you can make the same argument about FNC, since they only beat FPX without suygetsu and they just barely scraped out a win against LEV (who in turn only managed to barely beat XSET). I think you can fairly swap 3rd/4th but I would personally put OPTC higher.
Yeah by that logic I would put Guild over both
RickyIndian [#16]you actually have fnatic over optic? fnatic looked nothing like they did domesticaly.
And? Optic would be out before they even make lower finals, they are weaker but got slept on because they beat the mighty XSET and ChokeRX
tttangent [#15]didn't LEV lose to DRX?
also didn't LEV almost lose 4 different times to XSET? (XSET had series point 4 different rounds)
Did they win?
FoechiGG [#19]Yeah by that logic I would put Guild over both
for what though? sure they beat OPTC but both maps were down to the wire (11-13 and 14-16) and you can't tell me that OPTC played up to their normal level considering yay was literally at the bottom of the scoreboard for both teams combined.
they also lost against a clearly underperforming suygetsu who was playing his first match with FPX after they had played their last 10 maps with a sub, and obviously was taking some time to get back into the feel of things
Shownu [#21]Did they win?
no actually they lost against DRX, the same team that OPTC "barely" beat.
what's your point?
Shownu [#20]And? Optic would be out before they even make lower finals, they are weaker but got slept on because they beat the mighty XSET and ChokeRX
and why is LEV 4th for barely beating the "mighty XSET" and LOSING to "ChokeRX"?
tttangent [#24]no actually they lost against DRX, the same team that OPTC "barely" beat.
what's your point?
It was their first ever lan match? Is that not a good enough excuse nowadays.
Shownu [#26]It was their first ever lan match? Is that not a good enough excuse nowadays.
okay so why aren't you making that excuse for XSET?
tttangent [#25]and why is LEV 4th for barely beating the "mighty XSET" and LOSING to "ChokeRX"?
Because they did well against all 3 teams despite their first ever lan event. More shame on DRX for constantly choking after years of experience.
tttangent [#28]okay so why aren't you making that excuse for XSET?
Its because XSET shouldn't even be the first seed as everyone picked Optic to carry NA. Their ceiling was already set before the tournament started.
Shownu [#29]Because they did well against all 3 teams despite their first ever lan event. More shame on DRX for constantly choking after years of experience.
you're berating XSET for performing badly while also applauding LEV for barely managing to beat them, when they were both in the same situation? how does that make sense?
tttangent [#32]you're berating XSET for performing badly while also applauding LEV for barely managing to beat them, when they were both in the same situation? how does that make sense?
Leviathan lost to Fnatic in a very close match, XSET already beaten Optic and they still lost. Fnatic is much better than Optic and its not even close.
FoechiGG [#19]Yeah by that logic I would put Guild over both
I mean what other logic would you use xD none of us are gonna vod review the entire event to make a biased af "true" power ranking that just stays in hypotheticals
But yes you could put Guild over Fnc because they had a closer game vs FPX and ignore that, while it was a close map 2 with OT, Guild did worse vs prx
And same thing with optic, they did better than FPX than Optic, did almost the same vs prx and beat optic in a head to head
Problem with that is that you just stray SO far away from the only unbiased team ranking we have, results, that it just doesn't hold any value anymore since its all just personal opinions
tttangent [#32]you're berating XSET for performing badly while also applauding LEV for barely managing to beat them, when they were both in the same situation? how does that make sense?
It doesn’t, he’s just biased to Leviatan because his favorite team nearly lost to them
Shownu [#31]Its because XSET shouldn't even be the first seed as everyone picked Optic to carry NA. Their ceiling was already set before the tournament started.
so you're using the valorant community's expectations and predictions for teams to justify making excuses for teams (LEV) while simultaneously using them to bash on others? (XSET)
Shownu [#33]Leviathan lost to Fnatic in a very close match, XSET already beaten Optic and they still lost. Fnatic is much better than Optic and its not even close.
so... FNC barely managed to beat a team... that barely managed to beat XSET... and that justifies them being significantly better than OPTC... how?
you're also changing the subject, i'm asking how you're putting LEV at 4th and you're trying to change it into an argument about why FNC is better than OPTC
but if you want to talk about FNC, then sure.
what has FNC proven?
Shownu [#26]It was their first ever lan match? Is that not a good enough excuse nowadays.
i'm not even trying to say that LEV is a terrible team, being 7th in the world still makes them an incredibly strong team, i just don't understand how you can use the excuse that it was their first ever LAN match to justify putting them at 4th in the world above teams like OPTC that have proven significantly more than them
tttangent [#23]for what though? sure they beat OPTC but both maps were down to the wire (11-13 and 14-16) and you can't tell me that OPTC played up to their normal level considering yay was literally at the bottom of the scoreboard for both teams combined.
they also lost against a clearly underperforming suygetsu who was playing his first match with FPX after they had played their last 10 maps with a sub, and obviously was taking some time to get back into the feel of things
The yay thing is way harder to judge since Guild just avoided him SO well only giving him 6 fk/fd on defense (where yay usually pops off). Compare that to 11 and 13 vs Prx and Drx respectively (and ye his acs also just slumped whenever they were on defense since guild were the ones deciding who they fight)
Suygetsu wasnt underpreforming on map 1 (the one that pretty much just decided the whole match) so i dont see this being relevant
(suygetsu litteraly won fpx the map by just walking into B-Lobby and killing 4, it was anyone's game otherwise)
Shownu [#20]And? Optic would be out before they even make lower finals, they are weaker but got slept on because they beat the mighty XSET and ChokeRX
they also beat LOUD and a KRU that was looking good.
reylarc [#3]xerxia so underated, they fight so well and they almost beat fpx just 1 round deficit tbh they might be better than drx,loud,and kru
Nah man they ain't the same without patiphan
tttangent [#13]
- PRX
- FPX
- OPTC
- FNC
- GLD
- DRX
- LEV
- KRU
- LOUD
- XSET
- NTH
- XIA
I have OPTC over FNC because while OPTC's wins were against easier competition (XSET and DRX), you can make the same argument about FNC, since they only beat FPX without suygetsu and they just barely scraped out a win against LEV (who in turn only managed to barely beat XSET). I think you can fairly swap 3rd/4th but I would personally put OPTC higher.
I agree with this list
tttangent [#13]
- PRX
- FPX
- OPTC
- FNC
- GLD
- DRX
- LEV
- KRU
- LOUD
- XSET
- NTH
- XIA
I have OPTC over FNC because while OPTC's wins were against easier competition (XSET and DRX), you can make the same argument about FNC, since they only beat FPX without suygetsu and they just barely scraped out a win against LEV (who in turn only managed to barely beat XSET). I think you can fairly swap 3rd/4th but I would personally put OPTC higher.
Agree but I'd swap LOUD with LEV tbh cuz I feel LOUD still better although LEV has been decent. Just sadge cuz Loud had to face Optic in elim literally in playins
SilentNight [#46]dude your hate boner for optic is so hard. can see the already bias on this so called realistic rankings, i don't root for optic but give the credit to where it's due.
mans shilled so hard for fnatic that he had to warp reality to this extent
tttangent [#36]so you're using the valorant community's expectations and predictions for teams to justify making excuses for teams (LEV) while simultaneously using them to bash on others? (XSET)
this is Shownu you're talking to bro
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