The viewership declined significantly in comparison to past events.
In addition, when compared to Counter-Strike.
All the artificial hype around the game is slowly fading away ;(
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queueK [#3]the most popular regions after NA and EMEA were both knocked out in groups, it's somewhat expected.
I think there's still going to be a lot of people watching when there's a crowd, though.
edit: tbh I think JP and BR are both more popular than EMEA
True, however with only half of the tickets sold, it may look bad.
death [#4]Riot can only save it buy letting SEN into the franchise.
true tbh they gotta write the script so sen can win some games +millions viewership
Ullyr [#14]lol csgo grand final is literally going on
watch CSGO in main monitor and watch VAL 2nd monitor GIGACHAD
CraigGarth01 [#11]The viewership was better than today, but since many people are wathing iem cologne finals, that's why val viewership is kinda low today
487K peak this tournament and by looking at the teams that are still in the tournament, i doubt it will be broken
FlyingDoggoWoweeClap2 [#17]watch CSGO in main monitor and watch VAL 2nd monitor GIGACHAD
yeah i'm watching both
Ve3r [#19]VALORANT has artificial hype around it, remove watch parties and viewership will drop to half of what it is right now and will decline in future as well
That's what I meant.
Ve3r [#19]VALORANT has artificial hype around it, remove watch parties and viewership will drop to half of what it is right now and will decline in future as well
What? the viewership is going to be build by the teams and players along the way of the history, or do you think csgo competive side came up with 2 mill people watching? valorant first big tourney got 1 mil in one year and i think you guys got too comfortable with that. You guys want every match to get 1mil+ or something i swear
Fayt [#20]LOUD still has the most viewed game this masters, its a shame they fell early in the tourney, but the viewership is not bad tho
brazil and japan the biggest fan base, both drop early and viewership isn't bad at all lol
Ve3r [#19]VALORANT has artificial hype around it, remove watch parties and viewership will drop to half of what it is right now and will decline in future as well
acting like DreamHack Winter 2013 had an insane amount of viewers
Fayt [#23]What? the viewership is going to be build by the teams and players along the way of the history, or do you think csgo competive side came up with 2 mill people watching? valorant first big tourney got 1 mil in one year and i think you guys got too comfortable with that. You guys want every match to get 1mil+ or something i swear
wht I meant is, that half of valorant viewer r watching these games because their fav CCs is streaming it, and this artificial hype will die down eventually
Skyss [#27]what about CSGO viewers in 2-3 years after realease?
dude you can't compare 2012-2013 and 2020+ most of the people back then dont even know esports even exists
i watch esports for the first time was late 2014
Skyss [#27]what about CSGO viewers in 2-3 years after realease?
even so its not a fair comparison since CS games exist for more than 20 years
Skyss [#27]what about CSGO viewers in 2-3 years after realease?
Idiot when cs go was released esports in general was not that big. Cs go built a large portion of bedrock for fps esports and general. Stop acting cocky for this rip off version of cs. Valorant can never build a legacy greater than cs series(the goat of fps esports).
Astar [#26]acting like DreamHack Winter 2013 had an insane amount of viewers
Because of brains like you, i don't like to express my point
Xikong [#32]Idiot when cs go was released esports in general was not that big. Cs go built a large portion of bedrock for fps esports and general. Stop acting cocky for this rip off version of cs. Valorant can never build a legacy greater than cs series(the goat of fps esports).
other than tournaments viewership there's cs is pretty irrelevant outside of EU. Valve doesn't do shit to help it gain growth. The younger generation are playing apex fortnite and valorant. I'm sorry to say its downhill.
Ve3r [#28]wht I meant is, that half of valorant viewer r watching these games because their fav CCs is streaming it, and this artificial hype will die down eventually
on my point of view the watch parties is actually good for the game until certain point, for example csgo BR scene is only alive because of gaules doing watch parties of the BR games and helping the community grown more, i dont think its a bad thing for the hype of the game but yeah it can influence in the main stream viewership.
Xikong [#32]Idiot when cs go was released esports in general was not that big. Cs go built a large portion of bedrock for fps esports and general. Stop acting cocky for this rip off version of cs. Valorant can never build a legacy greater than cs series(the goat of fps esports).
Dude, why are you even here if you have 0 support for Valorant lol. Game isn’t going anywhere sorry to tell you. It’ll just get bigger & bigger as Asia gets more involved along w/ NA, EMEA & SA.
Relax… Enjoy NaVi v FaZe again
VibsTV [#33]It was 2013 bro
ESL One Cologne 2015 then
if we compare both game in the same timeline.
these ppl closing their eyes knowing the fact that valorant is only barely 2 years old
Ullyr [#35]other than tournaments viewership there's cs is pretty irrelevant outside of EU. Valve doesn't do shit to help it gain growth. The younger generation are playing apex fortnite and valorant. I'm sorry to say its downhill.
The thing is cs is a organic esports. Valve didn't do much shit for it's growth and promotion unlike riot. That's the amazing part. I like both cs and valorant. But I hate it when the cs haters don't realise the gift cs gave to the world.
Phamous [#37]Dude, why are you even here if you have 0 support for Valorant lol. Game isn’t going anywhere sorry to tell you. It’ll just get bigger & bigger as Asia gets more involved along w/ NA, EMEA & SA.
Relax… Enjoy NaVi v FaZe again
so many salty csgo fans. Cs tournys are fun to watch and they get good crowd and production. Other than tournys its legit an EU only game and interest will decline with the new younger generations. Kids nowadays play valorant, fortnite and apex. Its just the harsh truth unless valve actually get off their asses and do something .
Xikong [#41]The thing is cs is a organic esports. Valve didn't do much shit for it's growth and promotion unlike riot. That's the amazing part. I like both cs and valorant. But I hate it when the cs haters don't realise the gift cs gave to the world.
'Cs haters dont realise what a gift cs gave to this world' 🤓 holy shit how big of a loser can someone be
Ve3r [#28]wht I meant is, that half of valorant viewer r watching these games because their fav CCs is streaming it, and this artificial hype will die down eventually
what does "CC's" mean ?
edit Nvm it's probably content creators
Xikong [#41]The thing is cs is a organic esports. Valve didn't do much shit for it's growth and promotion unlike riot. That's the amazing part. I like both cs and valorant. But I hate it when the cs haters don't realise the gift cs gave to the world.
Valve not doing anything for decades because it had no real competition in the tactical fps market. A company like riot making valorant is when they should actually update and work on the game. You seriously can't see how cs been declining as a game compared to the other fps nowadays? Its so much harder for a new player to get into cs , heck you can't even properly play without encountering cheaters unless you use faceit.
Xikong [#32]Idiot when cs go was released esports in general was not that big. Cs go built a large portion of bedrock for fps esports and general. Stop acting cocky for this rip off version of cs. Valorant can never build a legacy greater than cs series(the goat of fps esports).
i dont care, CSGO actually dead in my country and other ASIAN country except China and Mongol
Valorant save us
Xikong [#41]The thing is cs is a organic esports. Valve didn't do much shit for it's growth and promotion unlike riot. That's the amazing part. I like both cs and valorant. But I hate it when the cs haters don't realise the gift cs gave to the world.
at this point csgo esports will only be played by the pro players themselves (especially from EU only)
I dont hate cs. But yall people need to realize valorant is still new at the esports scene.
Ve3r [#19]VALORANT has artificial hype around it, remove watch parties and viewership will drop to half of what it is right now and will decline in future as well
It’s a trend game. That’s the problem imo. It reminds me a lot of Fortnite in 2018-2019.
Matrix13e [#2]asia has come to play its over for csgo lmao viewership will be like LOL lmao
Be realistic dude lol. Don’t forget CS has a massive Chinese following.
I get Japan loves Valorant and they have a big following but they would still need Korea and China. Korea still seems to be more interested in OW and League over Val.
Matrix13e [#2]asia has come to play its over for csgo lmao viewership will be like LOL lmao
an FPS will never be as popular as a MOBA in asia, so go easy on that hopium
Ullyr [#45]Valve not doing anything for decades because it had no real competition in the tactical fps market. A company like riot making valorant is when they should actually update and work on the game. You seriously can't see how cs been declining as a game compared to the other fps nowadays? Its so much harder for a new player to get into cs , heck you can't even properly play without encountering cheaters unless you use faceit.
How is CS possibly declining? The viewership has gone up. The game is more popular than ever. It hit its peak player count in 2020, 8 years after its release. Game has twice the player base of Valorant. Either you are that detached or just off the goop.
The cheating problem in CS is heavily over exaggerated. I get there are cheaters but it’s seriously not that bad. Every game has cheaters.
The thing Valorant has on CS is how dumb downed the game is for the casual. That Is how it attracts new players as majority of the player base came from fortnite, league, apex, or Val is their first fps. If I was new to the fps games I would for sure play val over CS just because how noob friendly it is.
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2022-stage-2-masters-copenhagen
368k viewers atm, it's not too bad tbh
Larry [#53]How is CS possibly declining? The viewership has gone up. The game is more popular than ever. It hit its peak player count in 2020, 8 years after its release. Game has twice the player base of Valorant. Either you are that detached or just off the goop.
The cheating problem in CS is heavily over exaggerated. I get there are cheaters but it’s seriously not that bad. Every game has cheaters.
The thing Valorant has on CS is how dumb downed the game is for the casual. That Is how it attracts new players as majority of the player base came from fortnite, league, apex, or Val is their first fps. If I was new to the fps games I would for sure play val over CS just because how noob friendly it is.
declining as in the esports scene not in viewership. at this point csgo esports will only be played with the same teams and the same pro players. lack of regeneration except maybe only in EU.
Astar [#38]ESL One Cologne 2015 then
if we compare both game in the same timeline.
these ppl closing their eyes knowing the fact that valorant is only barely 2 years old
CS was a completely new FPS for everyone, NEW
Valorant is not new, it has a lot of common things with its older counterpart, hence a lot of existing CS watchers transitioned or partly transitioned to this game
wizardbot [#43]'Cs haters dont realise what a gift cs gave to this world' 🤓 holy shit how big of a loser can someone be
Is it wrong? CS is the father of tactical FPS
Shidoh [#31]even so its not a fair comparison since CS games exist for more than 20 years
CS has built the tactical FPS culture fundament for Valorant to shine and gain popularity so quickly
If CS wasn't so popular, neither would be Valorant
Just looking at the stats, average viewership for Masters 2 is better than the current CSGO going on right now. Group stage matches got more viewers than most of the playoff games for the CSGO thing. Only 2 games that are ahead of the Masters 2 average is the semifinals and Grand Finals. Reminders, 2 year old game vs former face of Esports and a 200,000$ prize vs a 1,000,000$ prize.
Fayt [#36]on my point of view the watch parties is actually good for the game until certain point, for example csgo BR scene is only alive because of gaules doing watch parties of the BR games and helping the community grown more, i dont think its a bad thing for the hype of the game but yeah it can influence in the main stream viewership.
gaules is more than just a watch party tho, he is the only BR channel so its not like in valorant where you have multiple costreamers streaming the same language
wizardbot [#43]'Cs haters dont realise what a gift cs gave to this world' 🤓 holy shit how big of a loser can someone be
valorant user on vlr.gg talking about someone being a loser KEKW, no wonder fnatic lost to garbage team like PRX lol
Olofboost [#56]CS was a completely new FPS for everyone, NEW
Valorant is not new, it has a lot of common things with its older counterpart, hence a lot of existing CS watchers transitioned or partly transitioned to this game
CS literally have a lot of og fans (including me) the game started not from csgo. and the esports scene already has started even in 2000s.
CS would be always the classics, but valorant is the new kids on the block with a better regen esports system.
Sooner or later zoomers will take it over all the viewership just wait in a few years.
Wronghand [#60]Just looking at the stats, average viewership for Masters 2 is better than the current CSGO going on right now. Group stage matches got more viewers than most of the playoff games for the CSGO thing. Only 2 games that are ahead of the Masters 2 average is the semifinals and Grand Finals. Reminders, 2 year old game vs former face of Esports and a 200,000$ prize vs a 1,000,000$ prize.
Bro you say 2 years old game lol a lot of cs player moved to valorant. So that changes a lot
Wronghand [#60]Just looking at the stats, average viewership for Masters 2 is better than the current CSGO going on right now. Group stage matches got more viewers than most of the playoff games for the CSGO thing. Only 2 games that are ahead of the Masters 2 average is the semifinals and Grand Finals. Reminders, 2 year old game vs former face of Esports and a 200,000$ prize vs a 1,000,000$ prize.
good point. people who are delusional just cant accept the fact that its unfair to compare both game right now at current state.
VibsTV [#64]Bro you say 2 years old game lol a lot of cs player moved to valorant. So that changes a lot
CS esports started since 2000s
whats ur point
Olofboost [#56]CS was a completely new FPS for everyone, NEW
Valorant is not new, it has a lot of common things with its older counterpart, hence a lot of existing CS watchers transitioned or partly transitioned to this game
CS 1.6 was out in 2003. It was not COMPLETELY NEW for anyone bro. It took 12-15 years for viewership to pop off.
tenzen [#57]wow ppl like me shoud cry? :D fucking grow up bozo :P
I mean you should. Your life is so terrible you have a acct just to hate on a game hahaha
philion [#52]an FPS will never be as popular as a MOBA in asia, so go easy on that hopium
well japan like val and chinnese val version still waiting on release
while korea is not as hype because their root rts/moba is still thick
But one think in Apac val is big
Astar [#65]good point. people who are delusional just cant accept the fact that its unfair to compare both game right now at current state.
you're literally delusional kid
Chodez [#67]CS 1.6 was out in 2003. It was not COMPLETELY NEW for anyone bro. It took 12-15 years for viewership to pop off.
That's what I'm talking about
CS spent years building its own tac fps cult, building its own legacy
Then Valo came and just copied it, now Valo fans are bragging about viewership as if this viewership is not solely because of CS influence on tac fps
Olofboost [#58]Is it wrong? CS is the father of tactical FPS
Sure cs is the father of Tactical fps, but look at that guys acct. Most of the guys shitting on val in this thread dont even watch val they just come here to make it a dick measuring contest for no reason at all. Nolifers
mattgg2015 [#61]gaules is more than just a watch party tho, he is the only BR channel so its not like in valorant where you have multiple costreamers streaming the same language
actually not because mch, apoka and bt are gaules friends and they co-stream too but they got less viewers just like tarik and the reat of NA watch parties
nokeks [#62]valorant user on vlr.gg talking about someone being a loser KEKW, no wonder fnatic lost to garbage team like PRX lol
Yep me talking shit to someone on a random forum made fnc lose, you should be an analyst maye
Astar [#55]declining as in the esports scene not in viewership. at this point csgo esports will only be played with the same teams and the same pro players. lack of regeneration except maybe only in EU.
You can just tell me you don’t watch Cs and I won’t judge you. But now you just look silly.
nokeks [#70]you're literally delusional kid
nt for baiting
looking at every single of your posts making it more ironic. toxic brazilian
tenzen [#57]wow ppl like me shoud cry? :D fucking grow up bozo :P
No? What do you mean? Where did I say you should cry? I am sorry.
Unfortunate for most 0 star user, they tend to be alts, that are baiting. So forgive me, for this stereotype, as it hurts you, im sorry. But it is too true.
death [#18]487K peak this tournament and by looking at the teams that are still in the tournament, i doubt it will be broken
where did you get 600k? is there another trusted source except escharts?
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2022-stage-2-masters-copenhagen
Larry [#75]You can just tell me you don’t watch Cs and I won’t judge you. But now you just look silly.
lmao nt for baiting
I literally watch both scenes all the time.
https://www.hltv.org/profile/1057429/cleostar
now that made you the dumb one
geometrix [#78]No? What do you mean? Where did I say you should cry? I am sorry.
Unfortunate for most 0 star user, they tend to be alts, that are baiting. So forgive me, for this stereotype, as it hurts you, im sorry. But it is too true.
crying about stars is soooooo childish!
Ullyr [#42]so many salty csgo fans. Cs tournys are fun to watch and they get good crowd and production. Other than tournys its legit an EU only game and interest will decline with the new younger generations. Kids nowadays play valorant, fortnite and apex. Its just the harsh truth unless valve actually get off their asses and do something .
No one is salty. I enjoy both Cs and Valorant but your takes are beyond bad lol. I get there are Csgo fanboys out there but don’t forget how many Valorant fanboys there are who are just as bad. These games shouldn’t even be compared but considering how Valorant was marketed as the csgo killer it will always be compared.
Larry [#51]Be realistic dude lol. Don’t forget CS has a massive Chinese following.
I get Japan loves Valorant and they have a big following but they would still need Korea and China. Korea still seems to be more interested in OW and League over Val.
Chinese following on CS vs Chinese following on LoL is not even comparable. Chinese following on LoL is enough to create 5 new esports on its own.
Fayt [#36]on my point of view the watch parties is actually good for the game until certain point, for example csgo BR scene is only alive because of gaules doing watch parties of the BR games and helping the community grown more, i dont think its a bad thing for the hype of the game but yeah it can influence in the main stream viewership.
Gaules is an official Portuguese stream. Not a watch party dude lol.
Larry [#86]Gaules is an official Portuguese stream. Not a watch party dude lol.
He become the main stream because he got the monopoly of the official streams, alot of casters from valorant br now was from the official cs streams, gaules just created a monopoly so huge that people prefer him to watch the games because of his community and his history with cs since 1.6
Olofboost [#59]CS has built the tactical FPS culture fundament for Valorant to shine and gain popularity so quickly
If CS wasn't so popular, neither would be Valorant
Agreed, although a lot of the playerbase for Val Came from games like apex, Fortnite, league, etc. The whole concept of the game was already established and based off CS. You can say it’s copied but there are some differences. But it’s not like Valorant was a fresh new idea. Its whole idea came from already established and successful games.
I remember when the game first came out it was being memed on as “Tom Clancy’s League of Overwatch Global Offensive.” Lol
Zaynio [#85]Chinese following on CS vs Chinese following on LoL is not even comparable. Chinese following on LoL is enough to create 5 new esports on its own.
Well it’s a moba and Asian countries love mobas. Dota is massive in China as well. I know the Koreans really love league specifically as well.
I’m just saying in general though that CS has a massive following in China.
Fayt [#87]He become the main stream because he got the monopoly of the official streams, alot of casters from valorant br now was from the official cs streams, gaules just created a monopoly so huge that people prefer him to watch the games because of his community and his history with cs since 1.6
I have no doubts he’s been popular for awhile. I’m just saying he is the official Portuguese stream and has been for as long as I remember. You said he is a watch party which is wrong.
Matrix13e [#2]asia has come to play its over for csgo lmao viewership will be like LOL lmao
ppl been saying that since game in beta, but still not true yet lmao
Larry [#89]Well it’s a moba and Asian countries love mobas. Dota is massive in China as well. I know the Koreans really love league specifically as well.
I’m just saying in general though that CS has a massive following in China.
not at all
Larry [#90]I have no doubts he’s been popular for awhile. I’m just saying he is the official Portuguese stream and has been for as long as I remember. You said he is a watch party which is wrong.
Never seen an official stream that theres no casters just people commenting and talking to chat and friends in the call, its more easy to say he is both no?
Larry [#82]No one is salty. I enjoy both Cs and Valorant but your takes are beyond bad lol. I get there are Csgo fanboys out there but don’t forget how many Valorant fanboys there are who are just as bad. These games shouldn’t even be compared but considering how Valorant was marketed as the csgo killer it will always be compared.
Never was marketed as a CSGO killer by Riot though. I’m not even sure where that even came from but, Val did kill NA CS & whatever was left of APAC CS. Think a few Chinese & Mongolian teams are all that’s left.
Still, Riot & Tencent never said that.
Phamous [#94]Never was marketed as a CSGO killer by Riot though. I’m not even sure where that even came from but, Val did kill NA CS & whatever was left of APAC CS. Think a few Chinese & Mongolian teams are all that’s left.
Still, Riot & Tencent never said that.
It’s how the game was advertised.
And cmon Phamous, you know that Val didn’t kill NA CS. Covid did. Covid hurt NA CS more than Valorant did. Valorant certainly didn’t help but it didn’t kill it. Covid nailed it in the coffin.
Larry [#49]It’s a trend game. That’s the problem imo. It reminds me a lot of Fortnite in 2018-2019.
It's really nothing like Fortnite, though. Fortnite had an enormous casual player base, while Valorant's scene is far more enthusiast-driven.
Larry [#95]It’s how the game was advertised.
And cmon Phamous, you know that Val didn’t kill NA CS. Covid did. Covid hurt NA CS more than Valorant did. Valorant certainly didn’t help but it didn’t kill it. Covid nailed it in the coffin.
I honestly think Covid & Riot helped NA orgs just move on lol. There’s no money in Valves ecosystem and every organization knows this. You have to think… Covid killed NA CS right?
But that same year Valorant releases and you had like 30 orgs join. T1, TSM, G2 etc. That’s why I say Valorant.
Phamous [#97]I honestly think Covid & Riot helped NA orgs just move on lol. There’s no money in Valves ecosystem and every organization knows this. You have to think… Covid killed NA CS right?
But that same year Valorant releases and you had like 30 orgs join. T1, TSM, G2 etc. That’s why I say Valorant.
Cmon Phamous, you and I both know the issues with NA CS were occurring way before that. Players in the NA cs scene cared more about their egos and reputations over winning. It’s always been that way and it’s always been the issue with NA in almost every game. You see the same problems with NA VAL.
Of course all these new orgs will enter val. The game was brand new. In CS the only way to currently make money with the eu bubble was to be in europe full time. It hurt every region besides eu/cis.
Larry [#89]Well it’s a moba and Asian countries love mobas. Dota is massive in China as well. I know the Koreans really love league specifically as well.
I’m just saying in general though that CS has a massive following in China.
chinese play crossfire ( acutally the most popular fps ), its developer just dont give a shit about esport though
Ve3r [#19]VALORANT has artificial hype around it, remove watch parties and viewership will drop to half of what it is right now and will decline in future as well
not even half i assume
Larry [#98]Cmon Phamous, you and I both know the issues with NA CS were occurring way before that. Players in the NA cs scene cared more about their egos and reputations over winning. It’s always been that way and it’s always been the issue with NA in almost every game. You see the same problems with NA VAL.
Of course all these new orgs will enter val. The game was brand new. In CS the only way to currently make money with the eu bubble was to be in europe full time. It hurt every region besides eu/cis.
I never seen a brand new game esport develop that fast lol.
Still, with Valves open circuit system it just isn’t a viable investment in NA. Anyways, to the original point the game just wasn’t marketed as a CS killer. I do think Riot fanboys thought it could kill it off.
Wronghand [#60]Just looking at the stats, average viewership for Masters 2 is better than the current CSGO going on right now. Group stage matches got more viewers than most of the playoff games for the CSGO thing. Only 2 games that are ahead of the Masters 2 average is the semifinals and Grand Finals. Reminders, 2 year old game vs former face of Esports and a 200,000$ prize vs a 1,000,000$ prize.
Valorant has all the advantages in the world that CS didn't for a loooong time, gtfo
Astar [#55]declining as in the esports scene not in viewership. at this point csgo esports will only be played with the same teams and the same pro players. lack of regeneration except maybe only in EU.
the cs scene gets new talents every day tho?
new academy teams popping pretty much every month currently :DD
taavetti [#103]the cs scene gets new talents every day tho?
new academy teams popping pretty much every month currently :DD
sure for EU yes for other regions? hahahah
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