This is the beginning of the end for the SEN roster. There are internal troubles and disagreements.... The excuse they made was a cover up
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I think this is their last tournament at least 2 roster changes 100%
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Styling911 [#5]Absoloute facts
I think this is their last tournament at least 2 roster changes 100%
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no roster changes?
team_liquid_fan_v2 [#6]no roster changes?
I dont understand
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This team has been doomed since winning Masters 2 Reykjavik! Complacency has been their strongest forte, and the dream team became the stream team slowly but surely. Nevertheless, this team doesn't play like a team and their fundamentals have gotten lost over the last year... The reason this team cops so much shit from the community is not that they are individually bad, rather everyone realizes the potential of this team and the pitfalls they fall into causing their demise...
Regardless, I've never been more proud to be a SEN fan. (pls disband soon)
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MastoOG [#10]This is like a super conspiracy but maybe Riot didn't give them a franchise spot which sounds insane so they are looking to send TenZ and SicK off to teams who are promised a spot? orrrrr we'll see them next week and nothing is happening lol
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Styling911 [#7]I dont understand
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i was referring to the "no bitches?" meme
dexter000111 [#3]Damn I have always trolled SEN but now that they're so down bad I think I actually secretly love the team (except shazam)
man when you say except shahz like that i just feel so bad. The dude looks like hes broken cause the amount of hate he gets. Its crazy how the hate he gets is more ferocious than shit zombs got (ofc other than death threats cause that shit is clearly out of the dumbest poeple on the planet). The guy looks so burnt out, sounds so burnt out, and definitely plays like hes burnt out. He was such a good player and IGL and im guessing the hate just eventually got to him. I honestly have no idea why hes so hated cause literally everything he says is just facts and no one can call him hypocritical for the shit he says cause aint no one know how hard the guy works. Streaming doesnt mean someone isnt working hard yet the whole community takes it as fact.
VALoka [#8]RATZAM
LENZ
Sick the only good player
RANDOMKANPEKI
BODY SHOOTING DARP
"sick the only good player" its crazy that people arent hating on him yet for his omen ults. Zombs or anyone else on sen doing that shit would get made a mockery out of and absolutely raped online.
Every one of their players have problems and there are also much deeper problems than individual problems. You cant blame their failures on specific players, the whole team has to take the fall for the performance (other than leaf cause the guy was literally playing like the best player in the world but his team just played like an iron lobby)
sohambari [#9]This team has been doomed since winning Masters 2 Reykjavik! Complacency has been their strongest forte, and the dream team became the stream team slowly but surely. Nevertheless, this team doesn't play like a team and their fundamentals have gotten lost over the last year... The reason this team cops so much shit from the community is not that they are individually bad, rather everyone realizes the potential of this team and the pitfalls they fall into causing their demise...
Regardless, I've never been more proud to be a SEN fan. (pls disband soon)
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why do you say complacency is their biggest forte? The only sign of complacency was in masters 3. In champs they actually looked REALLY good but KRU were just better.
They came so close to winning TLs MAP PICK btw, if they had it wouldve been a sweep in the second match 13-2 and then the narrative would be hella different. I hate that people always judge based on results cause that is the worst way to judge the skill of a team. You could be the best player in the world but does that mean youre gonna win every single tournament? NO cause thats not how the world goes round
MastoOG [#10]This is like a super conspiracy but maybe Riot didn't give them a franchise spot which sounds insane so they are looking to send TenZ and SicK off to teams who are promised a spot? orrrrr we'll see them next week and nothing is happening lol
I like that but if that was the case Dapr would also have not been able to play, moreso than sick cause the dude looks horrible on smokes
JustHunter [#14]man when you say except shahz like that i just feel so bad. The dude looks like hes broken cause the amount of hate he gets. Its crazy how the hate he gets is more ferocious than shit zombs got (ofc other than death threats cause that shit is clearly out of the dumbest poeple on the planet). The guy looks so burnt out, sounds so burnt out, and definitely plays like hes burnt out. He was such a good player and IGL and im guessing the hate just eventually got to him. I honestly have no idea why hes so hated cause literally everything he says is just facts and no one can call him hypocritical for the shit he says cause aint no one know how hard the guy works. Streaming doesnt mean someone isnt working hard yet the whole community takes it as fact.
nt rawkus' alt
JustHunter [#14]man when you say except shahz like that i just feel so bad. The dude looks like hes broken cause the amount of hate he gets. Its crazy how the hate he gets is more ferocious than shit zombs got (ofc other than death threats cause that shit is clearly out of the dumbest poeple on the planet). The guy looks so burnt out, sounds so burnt out, and definitely plays like hes burnt out. He was such a good player and IGL and im guessing the hate just eventually got to him. I honestly have no idea why hes so hated cause literally everything he says is just facts and no one can call him hypocritical for the shit he says cause aint no one know how hard the guy works. Streaming doesnt mean someone isnt working hard yet the whole community takes it as fact.
Idk what to tell you man
Like if more than half the community is hating on a guy, surely he's doing something wrong
Me personally, I don't like him solely because of the reason that when SEN was winning he trolled a lot of other teams and players. One incident I remember is when he was playing ranked again Cryo when he was in SoaR, shahz kept getting owned by Cryo and then went on to accuse him of stream sniping. "If this Cryo guy is so good how come SoaR isn't winning shit" were his exact words if I remember correctly. Also he has a very sour relation with steel so me being a crazy fan of steel also was a factor.
Also he has no dedication left for competing anymore and its so obvious. They had the most important match of the year against Optic yesterday but shahz apparently still had enough free time to stream 7-8 hours everyday last week. I mean sure he wants to make money it's his choice but it's clearly hurting the team.
Ik it's wrong of me to be hating on him, I feel bad for him too despite hating him. I can't help it tho and I'm really sorry for it.
JustHunter [#15]"sick the only good player" its crazy that people arent hating on him yet for his omen ults. Zombs or anyone else on sen doing that shit would get made a mockery out of and absolutely raped online.
Every one of their players have problems and there are also much deeper problems than individual problems. You cant blame their failures on specific players, the whole team has to take the fall for the performance (other than leaf cause the guy was literally playing like the best player in the world but his team just played like an iron lobby)
they force him on omen and he performs alright compared to zombs and everyone else even tho its his worst character sick wipes every one on sentinels sadly look at the stats kid.
JustHunter [#14]man when you say except shahz like that i just feel so bad. The dude looks like hes broken cause the amount of hate he gets. Its crazy how the hate he gets is more ferocious than shit zombs got (ofc other than death threats cause that shit is clearly out of the dumbest poeple on the planet). The guy looks so burnt out, sounds so burnt out, and definitely plays like hes burnt out. He was such a good player and IGL and im guessing the hate just eventually got to him. I honestly have no idea why hes so hated cause literally everything he says is just facts and no one can call him hypocritical for the shit he says cause aint no one know how hard the guy works. Streaming doesnt mean someone isnt working hard yet the whole community takes it as fact.
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JustHunter [#16]why do you say complacency is their biggest forte? The only sign of complacency was in masters 3. In champs they actually looked REALLY good but KRU were just better.
They came so close to winning TLs MAP PICK btw, if they had it wouldve been a sweep in the second match 13-2 and then the narrative would be hella different. I hate that people always judge based on results cause that is the worst way to judge the skill of a team. You could be the best player in the world but does that mean youre gonna win every single tournament? NO cause thats not how the world goes round
SEN trajectory throughout the last year:
Top 1 Int'l (M2), Top 8 Int'l (M3), Grouped (Champs), Top 6 (Regionally), Currently on track to be bottom of group B (Top 10 Regionally), and the most logical continuation of this trend is them not making the closed qualifier of next event, but that's impossible given their status in the scene with franchising next year.
This steady decline is no fluke, from being on top of the world to the bottom of their own region, they have CLEARLY shown complacency. Esp. in this stage, the lack of willingness to adapt to meta, playing jett on raze favored maps like Split and Bind as a band-aid fix, barely any chamber of most maps (which is currently broken) and a HUGE role overlap between SicK and Kanpeki. While both are great players in their own regard, SicK has already proven himself as a consistently good flex player, why switch to smokes now? This team hasn't found any REAL fixes to their problems yet, and their strategical depth is terrible, half of their map wins come from "TenZ go Kill", and they lose a majority of maps in which TenZ doesn't top frag. Coincidence? No.
And no, KRU were not simply "just better", blowing 8-4 leads on back to back maps is no fluke considering they didn't pick up their game right where they left off in the next year of play and still struggled, this time regionally, something SEN has not struggled with EVER in NA Valorant. This team has too many problems, and NOT enough fixes at the moment...
sohambari [#24]SEN trajectory throughout the last year:
Top 1 Int'l (M2), Top 8 Int'l (M3), Grouped (Champs), Top 6 (Regionally), Currently on track to be bottom of group B (Top 10 Regionally), and the most logical continuation of this trend is them not making the closed qualifier of next event, but that's impossible given their status in the scene with franchising next year.This steady decline is no fluke, from being on top of the world to the bottom of their own region, they have CLEARLY shown complacency. Esp. in this stage, the lack of willingness to adapt to meta, playing jett on raze favored maps like Split and Bind as a band-aid fix, barely any chamber of most maps (which is currently broken) and a HUGE role overlap between SicK and Kanpeki. While both are great players in their own regard, SicK has already proven himself as a consistently good flex player, why switch to smokes now? This team hasn't found any REAL fixes to their problems yet, and their strategical depth is terrible, half of their map wins come from "TenZ go Kill", and they lose a majority of maps in which TenZ doesn't top frag. Coincidence? No.
And no, KRU were not simply "just better", blowing 8-4 leads on back to back maps is no fluke considering they didn't pick up their game right where they left off in the next year of play and still struggled, this time regionally, something SEN has not struggled with EVER in NA Valorant. This team has too many problems, and NOT enough fixes at the moment...
Map win rate stat:
https://twitter.com/WeltisGames/status/1525109374124974084?s=20&t=cJTsECSCbMsbDw7AG64z2g
https://twitter.com/WeltisGames/status/1509523965261266950?s=20&t=hr5W3DroqfNlfmfUHsVncw
https://twitter.com/WeltisGames/status/1524757977701494788?s=20&t=hr5W3DroqfNlfmfUHsVncw
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