I think we can all admit this team needs a total rebuild (except SicK, TenZ and MAYBE Kanpeki). Org hired Rawkus because he is friends with them, and we all know he was only hired because he's a yes man. Dapr has regressed. Kanpeki has had his moments but looked rough today. I don't even need to say anything about Shahz. Leaf's tweet today sums it up. Good stats + IGL + No results = Good IGL in people's eyes. We have zero actual strats or discipline on the team. All they do is fight even before the bomb is tapped in the post plants. It's so hard to watch, and the worst part is I doubt the org even makes any changes unless Kez grows a pair and makes changes, hires a real coach, hires an analyst, and hires an IGL dedicated to the game.
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Safzz [#2]lmao.. kanpeki is fucking inconsistent af..
Yes, he is, but he doesn't have a real coach or IGL, so I feel bad for the guy. He had more team structure on fucking AKREW
TheFuzzzyBear [#6]Kinda feel like Dapr has been one of their better players this stage, but that could just be me
The last time he went + in a series vs a T1 team was Rise in the last group stage
Ullyr [#8]they need a rebuild or some major changes it just seem like something not working out.
Hiring a real coach and analyst would help. Oh and a real IGL.
nah honestly they need to get out of esports becuase sen is a content org 😹👎. fr they doing nothing to improve their team. just the same old iceland performance.sucks for them because there are no NA orgs that can actually buyout sentinels to make a reformation. sucks for the players too. im not blaming players btw
MastoOG [#7]Lmao you can't be serious
TenZ : can be the best in the world if supported properly
SicK : can fit anywhere,anytime, in any role
dapr : great sentinel player with great lurks and occasional pop-offs
ShahZam : great player mechanically even though he only now started to underperform, proven leader, needs structure
Kanpeki : T1 flex player
gried [#10]it will be an actual tragedy if SEN hold on to TenZ just so they can franchise. praying orgs buyout some of the players so SEN has no part in VCT next year
I'm almost positive the teams who will be part of the franchise have already been informed based on T1's move with Xeta
jawn [#13]TenZ : can be the best in the world if supported properly
SicK : can fit anywhere,anytime, in any role
dapr : great sentinel player with great lurks and occasional pop-offs
ShahZam : great player mechanically even though he only now started to underperform, proven leader, needs structure
Kanpeki : T1 flex player
how do you have so much copium?
they are all dogshit individually. anyone can see it
HaSanity [#12]nah honestly they need to get out of esports becuase sen is a content org 😹👎. fr they doing nothing to improve their team. just the same old iceland performance.sucks for them because there are no NA orgs that can actually buyout sentinels to make a reformation. sucks for the players too. im not blaming players btw
Yeah, the esports structure of the org is REALLY bad. It's insane how badly they fumbled. I think they'll get a franchise spot though unless Riot makes any changes last minute, but SicK and TenZ def deserve better structure and support.
Man , I have actually emotional damage watching sen in 2022 like u can see the good stuff the sentinels we saw in reykjavik 2021(and before u say that was early in the game go and watch those vods again sen were genuinely better than everyone else)
But then they do some seriously dumb shit like sick tping into backsite and getting obliterated , tenz trying to do tenz things but with 0 support (trust me the days of solo carries without any support is over) , they can't hold their sites well enough and shahz has not been getting the reads he used to and I have a feeling sen have let the haters get into their heads , so yeah sen need a rebuild(not required imo , they still showed glimpses), a bootcamp, and a bloody trek in the mountains so that they can get a break from social media
jawn [#13]TenZ : can be the best in the world if supported properly
SicK : can fit anywhere,anytime, in any role
dapr : great sentinel player with great lurks and occasional pop-offs
ShahZam : great player mechanically even though he only now started to underperform, proven leader, needs structure
Kanpeki : T1 flex player
This was true a year ago
commonW [#15]how do you have so much copium?
they are all dogshit individually. anyone can see it
commonL shit take
commonW [#15]how do you have so much copium?
they are all dogshit individually. anyone can see it
Bruh u actually have to be capping
TheFuzzzyBear [#6]Kinda feel like Dapr has been one of their better players this stage, but that could just be me
He has been playing really well actually. Just not as insane as he used to when SEN were on top but you cant expect that happening again. I feel like they should build with TenZ, SicK and maybe dapr and get an IGL with a better vision for the game or if Shahz is willing to change his approach with the guidance of a coach and some supporting staff that could work as well. They are still stuck in that individualistic playstyle that they have been playing with for so long and no one has addressed it or wanted to change it. They are so close to beating a lot of these teams but they will never be able to do that without changing that mentality and playstyle.
jawn [#13]TenZ : can be the best in the world if supported properly
SicK : can fit anywhere,anytime, in any role
dapr : great sentinel player with great lurks and occasional pop-offs
ShahZam : great player mechanically even though he only now started to underperform, proven leader, needs structure
Kanpeki : T1 flex player
tenz would choke at a crowd event
My heart is broken right now, but like you seriously need to give them time, they haven’t made a roster change for like over a year, you can’t expect them to win and like 2 months, and that happening is not right now, hopefully down later in LCQ, but give it more time. Then when the seasons over who knows
MastoOG [#18]This was true a year ago
so what? professional players suddenly can't aim anymore? you'd think with all roster changes and people succeeding when switching enviroments (sayaplayer,yay) mfs would finally understand that's what it takes for a player to become top-tier.
Kk0bra [#17]Man , I have actually emotional damage watching sen in 2022 like u can see the good stuff the sentinels we saw in reykjavik 2021(and before u say that was early in the game go and watch those vods again sen were genuinely better than everyone else)
But then they do some seriously dumb shit like sick tping into backsite and getting obliterated , tenz trying to do tenz things but with 0 support (trust me the days of solo carries without any support is over) , they can't hold their sites well enough and shahz has not been getting the reads he used to and I have a feeling sen have let the haters get into their heads , so yeah sen need a rebuild(not required imo , they still showed glimpses), a bootcamp, and a bloody trek in the mountains so that they can get a break from social media
When you stop putting the same amount of hours into the game and focus on the outside shit like content, that's what happens. SEN not adding a real coach or analyst for a year also doesn't help. Players have never felt like their jobs were on the line so zero urgencies.
Dapr pops of occasionally and then when he is clearly winning the game, he resorts to trolling rather than keep up the consistency. SicK is arguably the best player on the team( yes hot take), don't look at stats, he has carried his team through multiple clutch rounds, adapts to whatever the heck his team needs him to play, and has an agent pool that spans the whole roster. Tenz is aggressive but sometimes gets hyper aggressive and has a history of choking in tense situations. Kanpeki is fairly new so throwing hate at him is blatantly unfair, he still needs time to settle in. Shahzam...well...uh...I don't need to elaborate do I?
CanadianLegend [#23]My heart is broken right now, but like you seriously need to give them time, they haven’t made a roster change for like over a year, you can’t expect them to win and like 2 months, and that happening is not right now, hopefully down later in LCQ, but give it more time. Then when the seasons over who knows
No amount of time is fixing this team. They are fundamentally broken, unfortunately. The team's culture is awful.
LOL.. Bruh If SEN think to rebuild the team I guess Tenz should be the first 1 to be out! SEN with shaz and sick on a duelist is 10000 better.. Bruh this kid isn't ready for t1 teams he has a child mentality he has - kd in most of the matches he plays besides he only plays jett and most of his kills either by an op or knives he is driven by pride he is believing that he is the best hahahaha... I recommend he meets Dapr IRL and they shit on each other as a teabag so they can be good at their jobb.
jaylow11 [#29]Personally, I think Tenz needs to retire or at least take some time off. he played like straight-ass today. Build a team around Sick for sure.
If they go 0-5 he will have until next VCT circuit off bro unless they make LCQ
MastoOG [#28]No amount of time is fixing this team. They are fundamentally broken, unfortunately. The team's culture is awful.
With that mindset. You cant get long term results could you?
MastoOG [#31]If they go 0-5 he will have until next VCT circuit off bro unless they make LCQ
The way they're playing... C'mon... really think they're gonna make LCQ?
jaylow11 [#33]The way they're playing... C'mon... really think they're gonna make LCQ?
No I don't I was just adding that
jawn [#25]so what? professional players suddenly can't aim anymore? you'd think with all roster changes and people succeeding when switching enviroments (sayaplayer,yay) mfs would finally understand that's what it takes for a player to become top-tier.
The problem isn't aim bro it's the fact our IGL no longer has good reads and we have no actual strats
SEN should def build around Tenz and Sick 100%. Another 100% is to drop Shahzam. I love Shahzam and his streams but he is not it for pro play anymore based on literally all the matches in Stage 2 so far. Dapr has maps like Ascent and another map I forgot where he plays well and in the others, he is just there. Kanpeki has a lot of talent and maybe with a new IGL, he can do great. WE NEED AN ANALYST. They cannot improve if they do not have someone to look at all their mistakes. Idk what to do with Rawkus. Obv it is over for SEN in 2022 and it is painful to say that. But let's see what happens in the future. Really hope they can find their former selves once again.
h9zard [#21]He has been playing really well actually. Just not as insane as he used to when SEN were on top but you cant expect that happening again. I feel like they should build with TenZ, SicK and maybe dapr and get an IGL with a better vision for the game or if Shahz is willing to change his approach with the guidance of a coach and some supporting staff that could work as well. They are still stuck in that individualistic playstyle that they have been playing with for so long and no one has addressed it or wanted to change it. They are so close to beating a lot of these teams but they will never be able to do that without changing that mentality and playstyle.
Poach, TenZ, Sick, Neptune and someone else looks solid
commonW [#15]how do you have so much copium?
they are all dogshit individually. anyone can see it
typical bronzil fan
MastoOG [#35]The problem isn't aim bro it's the fact our IGL no longer has good reads and we have no actual strats
his reads are fine, other teams just study opponents way more and always have answers, they work harder, they're always more flexible, SEN have fallen way way way behind
ffffffff [#37]Poach, TenZ, Sick, Neptune and someone else looks solid
Neptune has very similar agent pool to SicK. Maybe a smokes player like Zander or Skuba would be better. idk if Poach is a better IGL than Shahzam either. The problem with Shahzam isnt really his calling or instincts imo its the lack of creative and interesting ideas that would require a proper coach and staff probably. It feels like he has very less to work with in terms of set plays, utility combos or counter strats so it just looks redundant.
SEN 100% needs to rebuild around Tenz and Sick. Put Shahzam into content creation or even secondary coach, right now he just aint cutting it as an igl. We can always still have Dapr, he isnt playing too badly while we need to get rid of Kanpeki. If we have Sick on flex again we would need a initiator and a controller. Should be easy enough
TheFuzzzyBear [#6]Kinda feel like Dapr has been one of their better players this stage, but that could just be me
lol definitely not he has been terrible besides today
gamingtaming [#42]SEN 100% needs to rebuild around Tenz and Sick. Put Shahzam into content creation or even secondary coach, right now he just aint cutting it as an igl. We can always still have Dapr, he isnt playing too badly while we need to get rid of Kanpeki. If we have Sick on flex again we would need a initiator and a controller. Should be easy enough
Shaz shouldn't be anywhere near a coaching position. Put him on content creation since he loves to stream so much and pull out new vids everyday.
1mBor3d [#46]just give them real coaching staff and see what happens rawkus is not the play
They aren't gonna fire Rawkus since they just hired him and Shahz wanted him
Sentinels 2023:
Zander -smokes igl
Sick - flex (kayo + raze + whatever else)
Tenz - please for the love of god learn chamber
Dapr -sentinel/second flex (hey he’s still good)
Fifth player -scout a cracked sova/fade or pay Mini to find em, he’s good at that
Coach: poach MikesHD
Analyst: no clue but get one
This will be a winning roster.
zardinez [#50]Sentinels 2023:
Zander -smokes igl
Sick - flex (kayo + raze + whatever else)
Tenz - please for the love of god learn chamber
Dapr -sentinel/second flex (hey he’s still good)
Fifth player -scout a cracked sova/fade or pay Mini to find em, he’s good at thatCoach: poach MikesHD
Analyst: no clue but get oneThis will be a winning roster.
Shahz is the one who doesn't want TenZ on chamber
Sentinels need to get their roles down first, Sick has so much potential on flex, and shahz's op won them so many games during their prime. Zombs mentioning that Shahz doesn't even schedule scrims shows the dedication of the whole team. They need to just have structured coaching staff and analysts and they will be a good team again, they have the mechanics they just need to execute it.
zardinez [#50]Sentinels 2023:
Zander -smokes igl
Sick - flex (kayo + raze + whatever else)
Tenz - please for the love of god learn chamber
Dapr -sentinel/second flex (hey he’s still good)
Fifth player -scout a cracked sova/fade or pay Mini to find em, he’s good at thatCoach: poach MikesHD
Analyst: no clue but get oneThis will be a winning roster.
yessirrrrrrrrrr they really need to pick up zander
MastoOG [#5]Yes, he is, but he doesn't have a real coach or IGL, so I feel bad for the guy. He had more team structure on fucking AKREW
lol
commonW [#15]how do you have so much copium?
they are all dogshit individually. anyone can see it
With all due respect, go fuck yourself
MastoOG [#47]They aren't gonna fire Rawkus since they just hired him and Shahz wanted him
plenty of top team have more than 1 coach, just hire more coach
idk, i feel like the team is fine they just need to figure out actual comps, strats, and roles. If they get an actual coach and put rawkus as assistant coach i feel like the team would work a lot better, because one coach and IGL isnt really enough.
so much could be going on behind the scenes like Sick going through some shit (see: https://twitter.com/SicK_cs/status/1528195842221424642)
the org might be holding back on stuff who know, SEN hasn't been in form for a minute. I feel like if they put more time into prac and bootcamp theyll be fine but it isnt look good like, at all rn
i have copium tho
Rexx [#22]tenz would choke at a crowd event
nah, he has LAN experience on CS were he threw. now he's famous, gonna not only handle the pressure but thrive under it!
zardinez [#50]Sentinels 2023:
Zander -smokes igl
Sick - flex (kayo + raze + whatever else)
Tenz - please for the love of god learn chamber
Dapr -sentinel/second flex (hey he’s still good)
Fifth player -scout a cracked sova/fade or pay Mini to find em, he’s good at thatCoach: poach MikesHD
Analyst: no clue but get oneThis will be a winning roster.
why scout for a cracked sova when you already have sinatraa
for those who dont remember sinatraa is a sova main and only plays raze in ranked, and if youre watching streams nowadays hes a cracked fade main too
i dont see why the hesitation
also put shahz on analyst?? its a proven fact that hes 5head player well suited for getting reads and plays
AverageJoe [#59]plenty of top team have more than 1 coach, just hire more coach
I'm down for Rawkus as an assistant or an analyst. I'm not thinking ab what we want, bro. I'm thinking about how the team is probably thinking.
zardinez [#50]Sentinels 2023:
Zander -smokes igl
Sick - flex (kayo + raze + whatever else)
Tenz - please for the love of god learn chamber
Dapr -sentinel/second flex (hey he’s still good)
Fifth player -scout a cracked sova/fade or pay Mini to find em, he’s good at thatCoach: poach MikesHD
Analyst: no clue but get oneThis will be a winning roster.
Nice rebuild but I think I would pick up BabyJ for Dapr as he is more consistent, and for the fifth might as wel getl zellsis as secondary flex and put Sick on Sova on maps where required, or if Sinatraa finishes training put him on Fade, Sova and Raze, because TenZ cannot play raze well enough for the pro stage.
Agree with the coach pick ups as well.
MastoOG [#35]The problem isn't aim bro it's the fact our IGL no longer has good reads and we have no actual strats
not only that, but the timings are so off and lazy. Some of this shit shouldnt even be that hard to coordinate.
jawn [#40]his reads are fine, other teams just study opponents way more and always have answers, they work harder, they're always more flexible, SEN have fallen way way way behind
Your reads cannot possibly be fine if opponents are studying you more than you are studying them. It just isn't possible. And with the refusal to opt a chamber (I know he listed his reasons for not playing chamber), comp lineups are insanely outdated and that's just two big down sides to what Sentinels are doing right now.
CHEETAH [#69]tenz most overrated player rn
when he played csgo it was the same thing, he was that kid who was insane in ranked games and everyone got scared of his aim then he went to play competitive with c9 and shocked 6 months later (played like shit fr)
yall cant just accept it
tenz overrated average player
He dropped 40 last week
gried [#10]it will be an actual tragedy if SEN hold on to TenZ just so they can franchise. praying orgs buyout some of the players so SEN has no part in VCT next year
i dont think any1 would pay for TenZ, not because of his skill, because of the price, SEN paid around 1.4 million for TenZ, no other org would pay that much for him in my opinion
salcustium [#63]why scout for a cracked sova when you already have sinatraa
for those who dont remember sinatraa is a sova main and only plays raze in ranked, and if youre watching streams nowadays hes a cracked fade main too
i dont see why the hesitationalso put shahz on analyst?? its a proven fact that hes 5head player well suited for getting reads and plays
Because fuck Sinatraa that’s why
AyazHashem [#65]Nice rebuild but I think I would pick up BabyJ for Dapr as he is more consistent, and for the fifth might as wel getl zellsis as secondary flex and put Sick on Sova on maps where required, or if Sinatraa finishes training put him on Fade, Sova and Raze, because TenZ cannot play raze well enough for the pro stage.
Agree with the coach pick ups as well.
Ok if we’re literally just scrapping V1 for parts , replace dapr with Wippie that dude’s NUTS. Zellsis is amazing too but I’m not sure he would have a place on the team.
CHEETAH [#69]tenz most overrated player rn
when he played csgo it was the same thing, he was that kid who was insane in ranked games and everyone got scared of his aim then he went to play competitive with c9 and shocked 6 months later (played like shit fr)
yall cant just accept it
tenz overrated average player
tenz get in your head
zardinez [#76]Ok if we’re literally just scrapping V1 for parts , replace dapr with Wippie that dude’s NUTS. Zellsis is amazing too but I’m not sure he would have a place on the team.
i couldn't think of any other free agents that were flex players and zellsis was the only guy that came to mind, but im pretty sure there are some pretty good orgless guys running around rn
AyazHashem [#79]i couldn't think of any other free agents that were flex players and zellsis was the only guy that came to mind, but im pretty sure there are some pretty good orgless guys running around rn
But honestly Sick is the only flex SEN need. He's definitely not the best flex in NA, but he's certainly not a bad player at all.
Zaynio [#68]Your reads cannot possibly be fine if opponents are studying you more than you are studying them. It just isn't possible. And with the refusal to opt a chamber (I know he listed his reasons for not playing chamber), comp lineups are insanely outdated and that's just two big down sides to what Sentinels are doing right now.
considering the amount of information Shahz has at his disposal in game, he's still a very competent IGL
h9zard [#41]Neptune has very similar agent pool to SicK. Maybe a smokes player like Zander or Skuba would be better. idk if Poach is a better IGL than Shahzam either. The problem with Shahzam isnt really his calling or instincts imo its the lack of creative and interesting ideas that would require a proper coach and staff probably. It feels like he has very less to work with in terms of set plays, utility combos or counter strats so it just looks redundant.
I agree with you except that I think sick is better on smokes than on an initiator like kayo or skye. He was better on phoenix when he didn’t have to use his util to set up other players, and playing smokes allows him to keep playing with a more individual style.
CanadianLegend [#23]My heart is broken right now, but like you seriously need to give them time, they haven’t made a roster change for like over a year, you can’t expect them to win and like 2 months, and that happening is not right now, hopefully down later in LCQ, but give it more time. Then when the seasons over who knows
Delusional clown
jawn [#3]disband, all 5 are very talented but can't win together anymore
stupid take they need strats thats all.
insane players with no egos there's nothing preventing them from working together
h9zard [#41]Neptune has very similar agent pool to SicK. Maybe a smokes player like Zander or Skuba would be better. idk if Poach is a better IGL than Shahzam either. The problem with Shahzam isnt really his calling or instincts imo its the lack of creative and interesting ideas that would require a proper coach and staff probably. It feels like he has very less to work with in terms of set plays, utility combos or counter strats so it just looks redundant.
I feel like the only problem with shahzam is that he doesn't try and change things, he finds something that works and then do that for a long time. FNS with optic change comp/strats every tournaments and they stay ahead of the meta
CHEETAH [#69]tenz most overrated player rn
when he played csgo it was the same thing, he was that kid who was insane in ranked games and everyone got scared of his aim then he went to play competitive with c9 and shocked 6 months later (played like shit fr)
yall cant just accept it
tenz overrated average player
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