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Maybe too early but is/was Zombs rlly the problem?
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MastoOG [#4]He wasn't the problem but he wasn't part of the solution either it seems like. I think the main problem stems from the culture around the team now and not having an IGL who is dedicated to the pro scene.
Good IGL is must have, sentinels need new igl who can make things work cuz currently nothing is working for them and i dont think sharatzam fits the role
Botmen619 [#5]Good IGL is must have, sentinels need new igl who can make things work cuz currently nothing is working for them and i dont think sharatzam fits the role
I completely agree. Sadly I think he won't step down or accept he is in the wrong bc of his ego
jawn [#2]he wasn't a problem, SEN just hit their ceiling with him on the team
No that's not true at all. They were clearly not as good as they were in champs during the playoffs stage 1
zombs was never the issue . However he wasn't helping the team either. From what was said about him, he lacked motivation to get better, and it showed in game. However that wasn't hte fault of Sen. from a viewing perspective, it looked like they were always a meta behind other teams. When teams played kayo and skye, sen were playing the previous meta. When chamber was released and every team was picking him up, they didn't adjust to him.
that, and their igl making excuses for every loss they have, isn't the best. From an outside perspective (not knowing anything actually going on, but assuming), it looks like they're not noticing their mistakes, and being blind to the faults they're making. It's the lack of accountability and not seeing their mistakes, that I feel is causing their drop in form.
However, I honestly could be 100% wrong. I'm not apart of their team, or social circle. So I have no clue what is really happening. this is just my assumption based on watching them and their streams over the past year or so.
JustHunter [#9]No that's not true at all. They were clearly not as good as they were in champs during the playoffs stage 1
they were just as good, they played the exact same way, other teams were just better
MastoOG [#4]He wasn't the problem but he wasn't part of the solution either it seems like. I think the main problem stems from the culture around the team now and not having an IGL who is dedicated to the pro scene.
Yea exactly I've been saying this. He doesn't need to be THE problem to leave, he just needs to be a cause of one of the problems to drag them down. It's that simple. Looking at it from the outside as well it looked like he was the cause of a lot of little problems in the teams mental that ultimately was probably what lead then down the path they took.
Kanpeki isn't THE solution either but he definitely can solve a few of those problems that stemmed from zombs
Raevus [#10]zombs was never the issue . However he wasn't helping the team either. From what was said about him, he lacked motivation to get better, and it showed in game. However that wasn't hte fault of Sen. from a viewing perspective, it looked like they were always a meta behind other teams. When teams played kayo and skye, sen were playing the previous meta. When chamber was released and every team was picking him up, they didn't adjust to him.
that, and their igl making excuses for every loss they have, isn't the best. From an outside perspective (not knowing anything actually going on, but assuming), it looks like they're not noticing their mistakes, and being blind to the faults they're making. It's the lack of accountability and not seeing their mistakes, that I feel is causing their drop in form.
However, I honestly could be 100% wrong. I'm not apart of their team, or social circle. So I have no clue what is really happening. this is just my assumption based on watching them and their streams over the past year or so.
Damn I never thought I would see an actual w take on a vlr post about Sen
Raevus [#10]zombs was never the issue . However he wasn't helping the team either. From what was said about him, he lacked motivation to get better, and it showed in game. However that wasn't hte fault of Sen. from a viewing perspective, it looked like they were always a meta behind other teams. When teams played kayo and skye, sen were playing the previous meta. When chamber was released and every team was picking him up, they didn't adjust to him.
that, and their igl making excuses for every loss they have, isn't the best. From an outside perspective (not knowing anything actually going on, but assuming), it looks like they're not noticing their mistakes, and being blind to the faults they're making. It's the lack of accountability and not seeing their mistakes, that I feel is causing their drop in form.
However, I honestly could be 100% wrong. I'm not apart of their team, or social circle. So I have no clue what is really happening. this is just my assumption based on watching them and their streams over the past year or so.
Maybe zombs lack of motivation was influenced by some of his teammates or some problems that they have so it got in his head and said fuck this rolly on my wrist
Botmen619 [#16]Maybe zombs lack of motivation was influenced by some of his teammates or some problems that they have so it got in his head and said fuck this rolly on my wrist
I never really saw anything abuot Zombs other than his streams, which he trolls 90% of the time. It could have been fuelled by frustrating results, performances, etc. We'll never know.
It's a situation that's even hard to assume. I can only think poor performances led to lack of care. I'm most likely wrong here, as even assuming this is hard.
JustHunter [#12]Yea exactly I've been saying this. He doesn't need to be THE problem to leave, he just needs to be a cause of one of the problems to drag them down. It's that simple. Looking at it from the outside as well it looked like he was the cause of a lot of little problems in the teams mental that ultimately was probably what lead then down the path they took.
Kanpeki isn't THE solution either but he definitely can solve a few of those problems that stemmed from zombs
From watching Kanpeki, he seems to have a pretty good personality, and maybe his aim isn't TenZ level, but it's a step up from Zombs. TenZ has stated that playing off Kanpeki's util has been good since they already had chemistry. I think SEN needs another roster change, and I think it's obvious Shahz or Dapr will be next. Apparently, Riot has already notified the orgs who will be franchised next year, and I'd assume V1 isn't getting a spot. I'd honestly try and see if you can buy out Wippie and Zander if they are serious about contending again. Zander can slide to the controller role, SicK back to Flex, Wippie on Sentinels and Kanpeki can likely learn any new role. That's some insane hopium, but if V1 isn't going to have a spot, why not try?
wsnek [#3]I think so, because zombs did not really have much drive to get better, I mean he stayed up playing fortnite the day before one of the games, clearly shows the dedication isnt there as much as in others.
Him staying up the night before has nothing to do with it. If anything zombs was the one who actually wanted SEN to improve when he was on the team and went out of his way to try get a coach etc
Ultimate6989 [#7]Zombs util usage as controller was far better than sick
Edit:maybe cus sick is new to controller, Im also not saying it's zombs fault or not, he was not helping, but idk if he was the problemJust that he wasn't motivated and didn't really know how to aim to the level of most pros
What makes you say he wasn't motivated?
Raevus [#10]zombs was never the issue . However he wasn't helping the team either. From what was said about him, he lacked motivation to get better, and it showed in game. However that wasn't hte fault of Sen. from a viewing perspective, it looked like they were always a meta behind other teams. When teams played kayo and skye, sen were playing the previous meta. When chamber was released and every team was picking him up, they didn't adjust to him.
that, and their igl making excuses for every loss they have, isn't the best. From an outside perspective (not knowing anything actually going on, but assuming), it looks like they're not noticing their mistakes, and being blind to the faults they're making. It's the lack of accountability and not seeing their mistakes, that I feel is causing their drop in form.
However, I honestly could be 100% wrong. I'm not apart of their team, or social circle. So I have no clue what is really happening. this is just my assumption based on watching them and their streams over the past year or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTV1mrZidcY&ab_channel=ChampJOY
MastoOG [#19]From watching Kanpeki, he seems to have a pretty good personality, and maybe his aim isn't TenZ level, but it's a step up from Zombs. TenZ has stated that playing off Kanpeki's util has been good since they already had chemistry. I think SEN needs another roster change, and I think it's obvious Shahz or Dapr will be next. Apparently, Riot has already notified the orgs who will be franchised next year, and I'd assume V1 isn't getting a spot. I'd honestly try and see if you can buy out Wippie and Zander if they are serious about contending again. Zander can slide to the controller role, SicK back to Flex, Wippie on Sentinels and Kanpeki can likely learn any new role. That's some insane hopium, but if V1 isn't going to have a spot, why not try?
If ive learnt anything from watching Gambit , OpTic and FPX , is that roster changes wont suddenly create a mirculous team , even the team with best players need time to build chemistry , that is why all the top teams rn are ones which tend to make minimal roster changes or make changes gradually over a very long time
MastoOG [#19]From watching Kanpeki, he seems to have a pretty good personality, and maybe his aim isn't TenZ level, but it's a step up from Zombs. TenZ has stated that playing off Kanpeki's util has been good since they already had chemistry. I think SEN needs another roster change, and I think it's obvious Shahz or Dapr will be next. Apparently, Riot has already notified the orgs who will be franchised next year, and I'd assume V1 isn't getting a spot. I'd honestly try and see if you can buy out Wippie and Zander if they are serious about contending again. Zander can slide to the controller role, SicK back to Flex, Wippie on Sentinels and Kanpeki can likely learn any new role. That's some insane hopium, but if V1 isn't going to have a spot, why not try?
nah they dnt need wippe just keep dapr
Chocolate_Mint_Icecream [#23]If ive learnt anything from watching Gambit , OpTic and FPX , is that roster changes wont suddenly create a mirculous team , even the team with best players need time to build chemistry , that is why all the top teams rn are ones which tend to make minimal roster changes or make changes gradually over a very long time
The problem is the SEN team was around for a while I agree but I feel like a lot of their issues are unfixable now with the current roster
Zuqi [#22]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTV1mrZidcY&ab_channel=ChampJOY
aah tyty. I remember hearing that he responded to it, I just never found the video. ty ty
wsnek [#3]I think so, because zombs did not really have much drive to get better, I mean he stayed up playing fortnite the day before one of the games, clearly shows the dedication isnt there as much as in others.
Actually, it was the other way around. Zombs was trying to find a coach and prac, but shahzam just wanted to stream
chimpy [#31]Actually, it was the other way around. Zombs was trying to find a coach and prac, but shahzam just wanted to stream
Do you genuinely believe that?
Zuqi [#21]What makes you say he wasn't motivated?
Man didn't play the game at all outside of matches and scrims
You can talk shit about Shaz, but he plays the game lol
Ultimate6989 [#33]Man didn't play the game at all outside of matches and scrims
You can talk shit about Shaz, but he plays the game lol
Doesn't mean he isn't motivated. Playing scrims tends to build bad habits for these pro players and its proven. Go back to when zombs wasn't playing ranked and only scrims and matches and look how preformed compared to his recent games before being dropped.
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