absolutely not banning lotus lol. obvi pearl and fracture. EG lose bind and lotus automatically, so their only chances are on ascent, haven and split. they lose any of those, and it's ggs for sure.

tf is blud waffling about, i never said that PRX wouldn't beat EG with something. I don't know that to be true, but you're just a moron lol bc my only point was that Talon was a pretty good team at Lock In. nice job destroying that made up argument that only exists in your head lol.

Talon was legit at Lock In, they actually pushed DRX hard lmao. Wtf is this revisionist history, they started trolling in the regular split but that team is good.

People act like Optic was the only ones with access to the cheat code of chamber. Everyone could use him, yay was just better.

literally the reason they won lock in haha, the players are obviously crazy good but the econ strat took them a tier above at that event.

map changes should help a ton as well.

lothar is actually right, they need to call it something else for breach so they can buff it while they leave other agents with stun alone since they're already good enough, breach stun is just fuckin useless rn.

bro you jinxed it sooooo hard why did you do that FNC would have won that shit 100% if you kept your mouth shot lmaooo just let my NA brothers jinx us it's always our downfall

most improved player of the year, maybe of all time. i was calling for his head earlier in the year, i would have taken anyone over him. now he's outfragging demon1. fuckin wild, what is this guy on cuz i want some.

bc no one else uses that strat ever lmaoooo

liquid made multiple international events with no igl, and probably would have won champs if they didn't choke so hard. probably not winning anything with no serious igl, but with enough talent it's just fine, and Sen has plenty of talent, whatever you think about the org.

yeah i meant EG, i think they permabanned lotus until late playoffs. either way, they were pretty bad at it, the only reason they let it through this time is bc fnatic bind is even better than their lotus. either way, the last two maps for EG are ones they're crazy strong at.

omg a team wins their map pick against a team that perma banned it before this tournament! who would have guessed! lolol this site is filled with one map andys.

NRG plus zekken -ardiis. put victor on perma duelist, zekken plays all his initiator roles but better, and victor is dogshit on flash initiator but a really fucking good entry on every single duelist. seriously, that team would be crazy good. look at how unlocked he is on raze when they play split and bind, and zekken plays skye and kayo at an elite level, he 1v5ed FPX on XSET last year. that's a super team right there.

honestly dude, a lot of orgs do shit stuff. EG is just stupid enough to do shit stuff that is super bad for PR and can be leaked really easily. I've learned to separate teams i like from their orgs, or i would never get to support a team.

Bro you can't transitive equation your way through this lmao, EDG lost to T1 and then destroyed them the next time. Team performance is variable.

She's never cried misogynist, it's only the community that has discussed that.

Y'all are so soft, EU talked mad shit when no NA team made top 4 at Lock in, none of your teams made it out of groups and your number one seed lost to our 2nd seed. She deserves to talk her shit, and it sounds like she's joking around anyway. Every single game EU has talked their shit about EG, and every time they've been wrong lol.

Demon1 literally has the worst stats of all 5 EG players.

Who tf is demon1 carrying, it's the t2 players that were getting shit on all year long who are top fragging every game. Take a look at the stats, the other players all have better stats them him. Who got those guys and kept them when everyone said they weren't worth it? Potter, that's who.

Navi has been one of the best teams in the world on Fracture and have never played Breach on it. It wasn't a comp diff.

It literally is tho, they chose orgs from specific regions to represent those regions within the leagues in franchising. Idk what you're waffling about when it comes to Americas, but whatever that dogshit logic is, it does not connect in the slightest to separate Fnatic when they're not considered a region in any way that's represented in the way Riot chose orgs. That doesn't even make sense in the slightest lol.

That says more about DRX than PRX, their sub went double negative in that game. Of course it's going to be exploited by a team multiple tiers above DRX, who have been shit this tourney. You're just disproved by the numbers lol.

That makes zero sense, FNC isn't a distinct geographical region with its own distinct qualifiers in Challengers like NA has lol. What the fuck are you talking about.

Nah dude, the sub is actually awful and something is fucking insane. This match would have been a banger with him, along with all the roles working better and the energy he brings to PRX. This ain't the same team. FNC still won I think, but we got robbed of an insane game.

Wish something was here, their sub is so bad and something is fucking insane. What a boring match

i mean, i aint talking about you, i saw this guy specifically talking so much shit after one game lol.

i mean, you never know that. the players on M80 have a ton of talent - Zander was one of the best players of the first part of last year, and no one even really gave him a chance. franchising in NA was stacked, and he really wouldn't have gotten a slot when people like Nismo and trent were left out in the cold. he's super talented, but he doesnt have any real achievements like others do. i dont think you can make a reasonable prediction as to when he would have gotten his shot. I agree that they didnt handle it very well with DSG, but you can't say that this isn't a far better outcome for him - even yay couldn't turn around DSG, so it seems like the problems with that team were far deeper than just a star player being stolen. And he's in the top 6 of this masters right now, looking like he's going to Masters, we can disagree on the way EG picked him up, but to act like they don't deserve him when he would never have gotten this chance in any other way seems disingenuous.

who cares, our 3rd seed is up 11-1 against your first seed lmao. redgar has like 2 kills, and he shit on fnatic about as hard as you possibly can.

bro come on yall talked SO MUCH SHIT, our lowest seed is shitting on your #1 now,

I'm not the biggest fan of how they acquired him, I think they should have picked him up before he was with another team, but come on. the dude clearly fucking deserves to be in t1, and what other org was going to take a risk on an unknown, no name t2 player in their big franchised roster? they do deserve him, bc they took the chance on picking him up and playing him.

all good, im sure zander does some secondary shot calling. he was a great IGL for that one split, he just fell off pretty hard after groups.

zander IGL instead of johnqt is wild to me, i feel like johnqt has proven a lot more on M80 and Ghost than Zander did on the one split he igled for V1. but the rest of these were super cool. i think is M80 makes it into franchising over Guard, then the players from Guard will be picked up by franchising team, that org is so unstable. M80 players will stick together, that team has talked about being in it for the long run. feels like valyn should be somewhere in here, but idk who you sub out for him honestly. otherwise, dope teams honestly.

Welcome to being on the internet, people are awful

He was bottom fragging against FUT lol, and his fracture wasn't even that good today Boostio and Jawgemo were playing out of their mind.

Devai had the best stats all split long in Pacific, it wasn't just DRX lol.

All good brother

One coach knife in the back made this happen

His Jett was mid but his raze has always been goated

i mean then your theory is necessarily disproven by the fact that kru only ever made it out of the group stage once while making it to every single lan of the game's history. like, your definition of proven is wild if all it is is the teams that have made it to lan lol.

except one of us made actual valid points and the other pretended to be agnostic and objective while just spouting random shit without any evidence. I know you think you triggered me and whatever, and I'm cool with that. U need it, so I hope you enjoy it.

FNC was just as unproven and they won Lock In tho? like i get your point, but plenty of unproven teams have taken trophies. Acend had one miracle run and never did anything else of note. It's the nature of the game sometimes, maybe EG is a really good team and we just don't know yet.

it's called analysis, but it's all good, we don't have to have a civil conversation lol. that's vlr for you, say a slightly reasonable thing or disprove someone's point, and they dissolve into tears lmao.

didn't all of EMEA get kicked out of playoffs last year by DRX, the chronic playoffs chokers? FNC and Liquid are obvi EMEA's best teams, and Fut losing means absolutely nothing, but let's not pretend like EMEA has perfect playoffs lol.

next time win a map lmao

yeah bc I've watched all of them, and only fucking Union is any good. They're NOT good, barely any set execs, basically zero teamplay, their map control and spacing is atrocious - you don't even have evidence! you're just pissed NA teams are good so you shit on them without providing any evidence. you have no clue what you're talking about, and you haven't responded to anything I've said lmao. just take the L, you don't even know anything about what you're talking about and as soon as you got even slightly challenged you started just spouting pure bs that didn't even make sense lol.

what analysis is your opinion grounded in? Sliggy watches all the regions, he's played against all teams worldwide, and coached through tons of metas in two different games. and most people agree with him, from all three leagues. you can say what you want, but the fact that you called the game you watched jail valorant shows how little you know - i could show you how methodical and crushing each Guard retake was, their retakes are literally on the level of the best of franchising. you're trying to play both sides here; you can act all reasonable and act agnostic when you say that you're not predding who would win or that you don't hold the objective truth but you literally said that these mfs ARE NOT GOOD - in what way is that not making a judgement or pred? you don't get to pretend to be this unbiased outsider when you're making all sorts of normatively loaded statements lol.

Well sliggy ain't that mofo, he never said jack shit about prod or ethos so maybe don't put that shit on him. And he might be a nice guy, but he doesn't lie about what he thinks about a team. He's not a caster btw, if you're gonna shit on him at least know who the guy is lol. U still haven't given a reason why your opinion is worth more than literal zero next to the coaches who compliment them and the franchising players that talk about how insane they are to scrim against lmao.

Literal top 4 champs '21and regional champion coach Sliggy watch partying the game and saying all three top NA Ascension teams are franchising level, but ok VLR analyst I'm sure you know what you're talking about lmaooo.

Hell yea let's go Loud!