Except you won't talk about the fact they literally created the pro-play meta on haven for so long. People knew how to aim in valorant back then lol, clearly you don't remember watching any other game except for them. They won a few clutches that you remember because they were big clips....
This makes no sense, in your eyes either they forgot how to aim or everyone else figured out... like what?

I hate this narrative... no they aren't lol

you're thick and bulky

Knights shouldn't be B, more like C I think, I don't really think I agree with xset either...

if valo had harder recoil patterns, less precise it would take away from what it's supposed to be....

They weren't lucky but yeah it's like literally a country, not even a region lmao

against t3 but 13-1 is nothing to complain about. they had some cool smokes on ascent that I'm surprised they showed but hopefully this means SEN return???? :0

Sentinels. Not about who is better now (def M3C) but Sentinels were just so far ahead at the time. Not only did they win the tournament, no maps dropped but they carried this after tournament to qualify for berlin once again in dominant fashion. At Berlin, the commentators were constantly bigging up SEN. At champions it was the case for M3C, but not to the degree as this. Sentinels was basically the NIP of Valorant, I doubt a run like this will happen again. (GMB faced pretty good opposition in EU I would argue)

sciences po w

FNS and chronicle don't play the same roles though?

"Hazed > FNS" :skull:

Best entry player def tenz. In terms of opping I think both of them actually whiff a similar amount, but if they're feeling it I would argue tenz's op playstyle is far better. Tenz is also better rifler I think but is just not very consistent so yeah.

IGL... yeah FNS wins in terms of the role its supposed to have but shahz is a better player overall (though you could argue its not necessarily a good thing)

Best smokes fs marved at the moment though this def was not the case always. Have never even seen sick play them properly as an actual defined role (other than being flex) so marved has to win it.

I don't think sova is game breaking though? I don't know anyone who complains about him the way people did about jett knives etc. It's good to have a character like this to set a meta and to give direction to matches. Doesn't seem broken, but yes busted is true.

"if it ain't broke don't fix it"

mvp: most valuable player

would optic be optic without FNS? no. I would argue with any other player they could still be optic.

no they were very good ecos from optic. if they rotated how could he take a fight? seems like you aren't giving the full picture lmao. aspas didn't go nuclear one round, i literally said four rounds in a row. clearly you don't remember the first 4 rounds of attack for optic.

just because you have hukah control doesn't mean anything lmao, if the defenders were limited with their challenge for it which optic likely were for them to have it, then they have the same utility available to counter any execute they may try to do.

I don't think they are? Props to OPTIC, they thoroughly improved on ascent and have made far fewer mistakes this time (icebox and breeze yet to come though...). The best aimers of brazil are winning fights, have you not been watching aspas in showers? The guy just sat there taking aimfights and destroyed optics A default for like 4 rounds in a row lol.

LOUD did really well on the attack on Bind considering its optic's best map, definitely a lot of work done there

who downvoted this lmao

I think so... bind is literally optic's best map and it's barely been played so there's little data to work with compared to other maps for LOUD. I think optic can take icebox also as last time they lost due to some crucial mistakes and well its a rematch so yeah

it's a rematch from OPTIC vs LOUD though in a very short space of time, optic played terribly on icebox and will have no doubt learnt from their mistakes. I don't think LOUD will win.

no, optic really played terrible on icebox. they indeed had some good preparation but in terms of mistakes... ugh.

remember how FNS pushed down B long for an agressive info play, kills one then DOESN'T GET OUT? yeah....

And you know this how? Because Zander gets more kills in different games with different teammates playing different agents on an entirely different team with a different playstyle and strategy?

So NIP don't exist?

APAC Haven isn't really up to speed yet. They're still playing Astra, Cypher and Skye for comps for starters. (Not saying that APAC is behind on other maps etc)

I was supporting OPTIC but they certainly did not deserve to win this one... GG

Loud have been so good at Ascent for all of this tournament its crazy

You don't remember the FURIA drama? Even famous Brazil people (FalleN, Gustav Melao or something?) were being pretty irritating... You can say a region isn't good at the game and thats ok (even if its not true) but at this point its gotten hella racist and its getting really annoying.

what lol

I mean Brazilians did trash talk a lot but really so did the other regions. I don't think any specific region is worse than anyone else....

two sage walls would be sage, her defensive capabilities are already some of the best in the game as it is. mobile slows that have a huge radius and duration that stop execs rly well? sounds pretty good to me. the healing maybe needs a buff but thats literally it.

"drugs are illegal" um

true they do have nothing on other esports really... I don't really understand their reluctance to have a live crowd? pretty easy way to pay off venue prices no?

this has to be troll lmao

I agree with you overall but this point is so degrading...

they have had the same core for ages lmao

boaster or redgar as IGL. FNS makes too many mistakes under pressure otherwise he would be up there.
there's not really an only "opper" role in this game tbh, its either you play jett and learn that playstyle (which is far more than opping) or you only play chamber which is probably the closest but not viable on every map.

lowkey just for jett entries I would honestly get tenz as I think for executes he still has the best movement and reactions, even if I have serious reservations about the rest of his play....

if you asked me at the beginning of 2021 I would've said zombs for smokes, now I don't really know. probably nats...

Anecdotal doesn't mean it's not xenophobic lol...

but they weren't changing their roster every 2 months lol

Wait? Issax again?

100T's roster mentality hurts me. I'd be surprised if they get anywhere.

They have the right ideas, but they do make just really stupid pressured mistakes that even golds would know not to do. FNS is a good igl ofc yes. But they didn't make many in this game. Though watching them get thriftied on haven against xerxia was honestly so irritating.....

I literally was supporting OPTIC to win lol, admittedly I didn't think they were going to for the above reasons

ah yes, the human nature argument again. Yeah totally, compare us to tribal people. This is the 21st century, we are civilised. This analogy makes no sense.

Being selfish is part of human nature, does that mean we should be? Wait, I probably shouldn't let you answer that one.

They're a good team but they make a shitton of mistakes its unreal. Also hearing their comms it doesn't sound the best mental environment to be in, probably explaining these mistakes.

What is it with these people who think as soon as a team loses, it's time to change a player? Liquid destroyed everyone in group stage, but apparently after two losses now is the time to change a player?

Changing rosters shouldn't be a common thing, it should be a last resort. The reason for super teams such as Gambit/M3C, Sentinels (with their initial dominance of the scene, evidently now its a very different picture) and The Guard doing so well is because of their synergy and how well they play together. This isn't achievable by switching every player every time a team loses a game, like you have them would.

The reason for G2 doing so badly after Masters 3 berlin was because of their constant subbing and roster changes with keloqz, koldamenta, mixwell etc, meaning the team never got a chance to play properly together enough, now they've stopped look where they are now.

Liquid don't need to replace anybody.

I know the meaning of anecdotal and it isn't so lol. I literally just explained how it isn't.

How's it anecdotal? Yes its fine if you said that "one british guy", but you're basically saying that its mostly British people who were being toxic/whatever. That isn't the same. Again, imagine if I said that about black people, I would be rightly called out.

Again, you just showed xenophobia, being toxic or rude doesn't have anything to do with being British. Let's try this: "Black people are mostly but not always rude". Again, that has nothing to do with britishness. These people are two out of how many people playing badly? That's not a "recurring trend" lmao.

Exactly, they just happen to be Brits, so whats the need of bringing it up? Its an unrelated property to their performance.

That doesn't mean its not a hard agent to learn?

The xenophobia is by finding "britishness" as a common characteristic for players playing badly lmao. Its nothing to do with being British. If Jampii was playing badly you wouldn't blame his Finnish identity.

Oh right, mb