Derke is actually very good with Raze. You don't need to make flashy blast pack plays to be necessarily good at the agent. The bulk of it is generally good timing and understanding of the nades and boombot which derke does perfectly. D3ff0, however much people criticise him, is also not necessarily "bad" at Raze, evidently he's not the best at it but to say it's unique to have proficiency in the character is so wrong.

"There's a big difference between a good duelist and a jett abuser" facepalm. You make it sound like playing jett is a selfish and unfair thing to do, which again is so wrong. This whole mentality that Jett isn't supposed to be like this annoys me, as without jett on a large amount of maps would not be pushable against any competent roster. Even Raze doesn't really have the same effect Jett has. I don't get how this is "abusing" a character by simply playing the meta?

You're also comparing matches across regions etc so I don't think those stats really speak for much.

Raze players also aren't necessarily always "duelist" players. There's not really such thing as an only duelist player anymore, you're kinda stuck in beta. Most players such as the ones you mentioned play a variety of roles: there was an initiator + raze kinda class for a long time etc, all of which you are entirely ignoring.

If you're referring only to jett, duelist players don't need to play raze as they can play chamber and get your xeppaa or whoeever to play raze.

Realistically I don't think you can put any team above the current international until they play (or fail to qualify) for an international level again. I think FNC are rly good right now and I do think they will win the next masters. But these assumptions are so flawed empirically speaking, it's just genuine fact that optic are the best internationally because they won the latest international event. You can make all the excuses for EU you like (for the most part I agree with), but based on actual concrete evidence it's definitely optic.

I haven't seen so much hate directed to a single team since a long time...

I like Liquid but sadly no

yeah supporting a team means you don't have a moral compass totally

props for admitting that :D

That's still an alright performance but without steel's evidential contribution to the teams ideas they clearly aren't world class. It's literally logical to induce that considering they haven't made any world class events, they are missing a world-class igl and that was him. A world-class igl does not mean the best in the world, it means capable of competing at a world level, which steel evidently did, taking down arguably two of the most influential and dominating teams in one tournament.

it was double elimination so they lost to rise and cloud9 iirc. the point is they weren't up to date and yes the synergy was broken, you just admitted my point lol in your last line.

How has no one said Acend yet

he said "i've looked for passion" LMAO

they didn't "come pretty far" lol, they were upset by teams that they had been better than for a long time. nitro and steel didn't leave at the same time as Giannero pointed out.

your last argument is so circular: you're using an effect as a cause... do you know every in and out of NA organisation? "proofs" lol. I didn't say they were losing a long time before steels departure because they weren't, what are you talking about?

you're a paperex fan from iceland?

"getting out of hand", yes lets bet on gambits synergy by making roster moves!!!!! you don't know what the problem is so you blame their duelist. nice.

They were losing for a long time before nitros departure lol, evidently you weren't there for it. Just because steel is doing badly now does not mean anything: you can't claim an individual is bad just because they are on a less than good team, on an org that has historically had less than good teams in this game. If you think a "world class igl" is overrated because they can't make a team work just like that then I don't know what to tell you.

why are CS GO people so mad all the time they have literally better production anyway :D

yes the casters were joking about it

oh dear

what's wrong with mitchman and tombizz? sounds like you really just aren't able to listen to articulated prose/text

I actually think she's one of the better analysts - the guy seems to be a bit clueless tbh (though hes not terrible). What she says does make sense, its just english evidently isn't her first language so sometimes the wording is slightly strange. She def does know what she is talking about, but in terms of actual wording.... yeah, same for both of them.

the fact that 100t literally fell apart after steel's departure literally proves 4 wrong. no legitimate analyst said shahzam is the best player in the world. "now we see who is the real problem" :facepalm:, you really don't know what you're talking about.

ah yes another bias crying monkey, with no substantiated evidence at all

sigh

I don't think I've ever played against one, played since december 2020

every team has a different style of play and different players, but they are playing the same game against same teams. that line could be used for any concept that involves inter-team similarity.

they don't destroy synergy if they are done well, yes, that should be obvious from how fnatic are performing. hasn't jampii been with liquid since the start, and again yes nivera was a good addition. There's no logical explanation for a "honeymoon period", all it is, is that it was a good roster move (of which I admit I was sceptical), and good integration which is highly likely if we consider who fnatic are as a team...

dislike, if anything roster moves have been shown to be detrimental to teams in this game as they usually destroy synergy.

So you're not exaggerating but you're unable to give any other examples other than anecdotal "they are known for troll comps". Funny, I didn't know them for that, and clearly most of the people replying to this thread don't either.

Admit it, you tried to claim something and couldn't.

you keep implying he's done this many times, but it hasn't been that. It happened once and it wasn't even his idea.

Almost everything else he's done hasn't been troll - such as the things I mentioned.

Obviously teams and their coaches make mistakes, and the only mistake of which you discuss is once and it wasn't even entirely his fault.

You're exaggerating absolutely everything you say

I know it has happened lmao, that's not what I'm arguing, I'm saying if its a good team they shouldn't let it happen to them

praccs don't reveal if they're "troll" or not, because in praccs you don't play against other pro teams lol, that's scrims, and typically in scrimms it's not good to reveal novelty ideas such as these comms.

Well this is the esports community and typically things are blown out of proportion as I already demonstrated, that's such a fallacious argument - you're using the outcome of something as a reason for it...

A good team shouldn't get upset because they are good? What is your argument? The point of an upset is indeed where a good team gets beaten by a less bad team, but are you somehow under the impression these should occur?

I know EMEA didn't send the best teams my guy lol, but that doesn't matter, even though they literally did except for FPX. You're ignoring my entire argument - the game has changed during the tournament, have you not watched both optic and zeta improve to undoubtedly overtake them? They were the best at the time. Now they aren't.

That's not unlucky lmao, they lost to vitality, a good team shouldn't get upset. Besides, that's literally the 2021 circuit and the challengers playoffs format is far different now and there is a lower bracket, so your argument makes no sense.

How many times do I have to say this? Something exists called time, you keep ignoring it. As soon as a match ends, teams focuses on their mistakes for the rematch and build and develop. FPX are not even the best team in EMEA(as proved yesterday) anymore, which once again proves my point

Stop ignoring everything I'm saying and continuing with this nonsensical speculation that really is just so salty.

Your opening line isn't even readable, really setting the precedent for your entire argument...

you play two masters a year lol. "Its safer in the long run" ???. in masters you also have the best teams from the region lmao. Champions doesn't bypass things such as travel restrictions and quarantines LMAO. what on earth are you talking about?

so if the coach lets the players do one thing that doesn't work once, it now means that the coach is bad?

you probably don't even understand what they're saying

Victor's neon is far more about changing the speed of play and providing extra stuns and clearing capability whilst nukkye's is more selfish (not necessarily a bad thing)

bind is the comp that should be changed. both jett and sova are long gone from the meta on that map, explaining why their defence is so ass. the only reason they're able to get any rounds is because of their proficiency in the agents, most teams wouldn't.

Get shahzam to move to some sort of smokes, get sick on raze as he was insane and shove tenz on chamber seeing as he wants to.

guild are good but gambit made a shitton of mistakes. literally in that last round it was a bizarre idea to hold site rather than fall back mid (which is literally the meta in pro play)

yeah but m3c are behind on the schedule as sentinels won the masters first, they're like sentinels last masters 3

because both have suffered from extraordinarily long gaps in between tournaments meaning they fall behind and therefore they both lost their essence

Yeah, but anyway, the game has changed since then and Chet is right that of course they would give them a run for their money. He said they were the best EU but isn't really right, being proven by our current game and this once again backs up my point that after tournaments like masters entire metas are changed and M3C clearly haven't kept up with that.

you said the "best teams" and m3c didn't even qualify so I assumed you were referring to FPX

That's not what ravicool said though lmao, he's suggesting you only value champions because Acend won it. What makes champions qualifiable for the best in the world and masters not?

I don't think he did but OPTIC did indeed say EU is the best region, which I agree with. That still doesn't mean that OPTIC can't call themselves the best team.

None of the teams you mention have played at an international level, so how can you call them the "the best teams", unless you're talking about EMEA challengers?

That's what I meant by had been on form, I was using it to describe both FNC and FPX. Yes I did follow the tournament, LMAO. I'm not on hard copium, I literally wanted fnatic to win LOL. Look at my flag, do I look like an NA fan to you? The only difference is I think that you're so biased to your region by essentially suggesting this masters doesn't count in terms of ranking, which it absolutely does.

Again, I don't doubt that FPX and FNC would have won the tournament, as I already stated had it worked out in their favour, but they didn't and didn't play many games, meaning they've now fallen behind on the world stage.

Your argument is pure speculation really, FPX haven't even played at an inter-regional level yet.

well it depends, but my point is I don't think you can blame the coach for that?

there's far more layers to valorant but I don't think CS is a game of "repetition" in the slightest, and is especially a game of adaptation. I would actually argue that Valorant is really a game of planning, rather than adaptation.

yes you are lol, that's literally the entire point of masters. it doesn't mean they're going to be best in the world permanently, but they are right now. there's no other way you could prove this, so are you saying no one is the best? what? champions isn't on right now? how is that fair? there's very little difference between masters and champions, it's just champions is at the end of the year with bigger prize pools (and slightly more players perhaps?).

I agree that FPX and fnatic are both really good teams and I too believe that they would've rolled the competition had they been on form, but they didn't, and now FNC roster has changed (plus baddyg no longer on FPX) and the game has progressed, so there's no way you can even claim this.

no but instances of where they were sliggy's fault? as mentioned those were the player's choice