correct me if im wrong but aren't they still on NV contractually and they are just on loan to SR?

SR is actually stacked af, I think they could clear most teams in americas from last year

2 experienced veteran players, both callers with good ideas about how to play the game + 2 insanely talented kids + satellite who is just there to fill the roles acceptably well

SEN don't need to make changes

the counter to that is just to fight ahead of the util dump or play retake with your own util
this is literally just the yoru tejo breach meta from earlier this year
T1 beat these teams at bangkok by just taking fights before the exec happened

jett just got powercreeped on tbh
waylay is just better rn

crazy DFM disrespect
meiy 1v5's slt

If you have a trash coach any team will look bad

SRB are a brand new team too

The difference is nature and Zander are both experienced IGLs and they probably have a decent coach to back it, unlike Furia

If you have that level of experience depth you can establish a working system in no time

Gonna fly to turkey and drink their tap water for a year

Coaching staff diff
Good coach can get decent results with any roster

Governor is one of the most clowned on players of all time atm. What bias… I have never in my life seen tenten being glazed because he honestly was pretty mid after his first couple of games. And meiy is literally one of the best duelists in apac, ofc people are gonna like him.

Also wtf do you mean by biased… people are allowed to like Korean and Japanese players without them being victims of soft power. It’s called being a fan. Can you give any single concrete example of the bias in question? All you are doing is saying random bullshit and giving zero evidence. “Korean fans would agree with me” name one Korean vlr user that agrees with you.

Also yes I know what soft power is, you sound hella racist by saying I don’t know what soft power is because I’m Chinese. Literally what does that have to do with anything. I literally described soft power examples in my comment.

Ur hiding behind a North Korean flag like you are 12 years old. I know you are fucking insecure about your country with the way you talk. The only biased one here is you.

you fucking ruined your own chain bozo

The Goddess: Al-Lat was a major pre-Islamic Arabian goddess worshipped throughout the Arabian Peninsula, including in Mecca and Ta'if.

frost invented crws

Termi had something against him from the first meeting from what frost assumes. Note that this itself is a self admitted "assumption" by frost, meaning that we have no clue if termi was just socially awkward or didn't know how to react. Frost then avenges this disrespect by not shaking hands with him. Termi now views him as a disrespectful person for the first handshake refusal. From now onwards, they ragebait each other in interviews.

Frost ends up refusing the handshake again in another match, calls termi a motherfucker, but this time we all notice it and assume it is because of scrim sharing stuff. Termi probably also assumes so because Frost calls out korean teams in specific for scrim sharing, and then calls termi a motherfucker in a short time frame. More beef ensues, and termi gets mistranslated multiple times and frost gets more mad about the mistranslations because they sounds pretty offensive. Jovi ends up publicly siding with frost over the mistranslated comment about frost's mother, who was not actually mentioned at all. The go back to america one is honestly a bit crazy tbh but you could reasonably justify it in a different context besides racism.

There are two scenarios here:

1. Termi had it out for frost from the beginning and is actually a shitty person. ME PERSONALLY, I think if termi was really racist and mean, we would have heard about it from another coach. Frost is not the only imported coach in APAC, but he is the only one who has had issues with termi. You are free to think otherwise.

2. Termi maybe didn't see frost's inital greeting (frost himself admits this is possible), and/or termi didn't know how to respond to frost when he started randomly saying "bye" in a weird way (self admitted by frost) and just ignored it. Frost assumes termi hates him, and so he refuses the handshake at the match. Termi feels disrespected, and so now he starts throwing jabs at frost during interviews. The rest is history. Basically a big misunderstanding nothingburger turned to generational beef. I think this is pretty possible, and if so, frost just invented beef by being overly sensitive.

Think what you want, these are the hard and clear facts of the matter afaik.

bro listed the facts and nothing has been contradicted...

I think you just have a narrative built up already about Korean team fans and JP team fans... that they are only fans because of KPOP and anime and nothing else. Definitely not because Korean teams just won 2 ascensions and 2 internationals which would make more people become fans... Not because pros like t3xture and beyn are funny and likeable people... It must be because koreaboos!

JP and KR have soft power but you can count the number of DFM and ZETA fans on one hand here on vlr, so your theory doesn't even hold up at all. I like DFM because they have some of my favorite aimers in meiy and akame, not because japan cool. Before GENG were good they also had basically zero fans. The fact is that being good at the game gives you way more popularity that just being korean.

Also the facts of the situation just don't favor frost because it is just a "he said so" situation and frost is the only one saying this stuff and with no evidence. But maybe termi is a bitch and I am wrong. Either way nothing points to that being the case. Fr0st being overly sensitive is something I can believe though because that is his documented personality.

• facts exist
• state the facts
• state exactly where to find the information when questioned

vlr: -2 frags
these people just just have their own narrative built and facts wont change it

all the sea people fucking hate korean teams bro
idk what you are talking about
nobody but a few people like japanese teams because they suck dick and balls

korean teams have lots of fans because korean teams are good at the game on average
if they were trash nobody would give a shit

Nothing in the vlr comment in question is contradicted by the post and it lines up pretty well.
Idk what he is being accused of lying about? The beef didn't start with scrim sharing but the accusations of it certainly made it way worse. Everything he said is true, even the stuff about frost. All he did was diss frost a bit more at the end.

If termi was disrespectful first it was his fault, but if frost misinterpreted termi's initial feelings towards him then it is entirely on him. I am siding with termi here because out of all the other coaches in VCT none have issues with him except for frost afaik. All the shit frost has said is just straight up unsubstantiated, from the initial accusation of termi not liking him to the accusations of scrim sharing. Any disrespect frost has complained about in termi interviews is just grossly mistranslated. Termi has not said anything beyond saying that frost is disrespectful, which is entirely true. Calling your opponent a motherfucker on stage is not respectful. Not fistbumping over some perceived disrespect is also not respectful.

Also not sure why you think being korean makes you more defensible... All I see is one side leaning into supposed impressions of disrespect and making unsubstantiated allegations of scrim sharing.

new coach new system

hyunmin injury so apeX sub
I think mako is just filling flashback role and apeX can only play smokes
flashback is filling hyunmin role

everyone knows its bait but nobody bothers engaging with it because it is so low tier

I think its called voluntary shoulder instability
what's your condition called?

bro thought he was a genius but you had to ruin it for him smh

meiy is considered by most apac watchers to be a top duelist, he is pretty well rated

where is stew
where is akame

i can partially dislocate my right shoulder at will

not a superteam until michael "nerve" yerrow starts getting active

tbf from fr0st's POV termi apparently gave him the cold shoulder several times when he was trying to be friendly initially
idk if it was just a misunderstanding or what but fr0st's initial impression was that termi did not like him from their first meeting onwards
(downfragged for stating factual information????)

and this was all a mistranslation which conveniently neither jovi or fr0st bothered to clarify

marved had offers but turned them down to stream instead afaik

he isnt making any of this up, I have seen the same reddit threads and can confirm
also it was additonally worsened by the fact that serveral times translators have either completely or partially mistranslated what termi said in interviews about fr0st and it has made the beef MUCH worse

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/1mprgso/why_frost_dont_like_termi_spiketalk_episode_39/
here is a pretty comprehensive summary of fr0st's POV

also who the fuck is downfragging all the comments telling the truth
the interviews and evidence is literally out there, what is there to disagree with...

jovi is in kahoots with his archnemesis of frost

if someone accused you of a career damaging thing like leaking scrims and never provided evidence for it then I would hold a grudge tbh

lakia probably cant roleswap off initator so ash has to move off
karon plays sentinel and viper a lot in ranked so he will be comfortable on it
ash probably had the choice of either smokes or sentinel and he chose smokes

oh really? damn guess they are just getting the players then

ur right i lwk forgot about him since he hasnt played for so long

BME twitter just replied to jitboys contract signing
BME also have a thailand based LOL team so there is actually grounds to consider them representative of thai players
almost all ex TLN players are tweeting rn, either contract signing, cryptic messages, or complaining about no team (engagement bait)

I think BME got the spot

jonahp: got fucked over by keiko accepting NRG offer
y0y: said he had a team but clearly got switched up on because there are no teams left to join
DiH: who should have never been relegated to T1A considering how he singlehandedly carried T1 stage 2
patmen: dropped from PRX so late there are no rosters left to join, clearly deserves a tier 1 spot even if he had a bad champs
demon1: actually played pretty good on LEV despite constant roleswapping and showed he still had it at champs with DRG
persia: dropped because NS wanted to invest in the future young talent xross, and persia is old
alvinboy: one of the best sentinels in NACL and could have won ascension if timotino was trying to win
all of TLN: everyone on this roster is young and talented + crws is the goat

lwk think DH clears karon
karon at his peak wasn't as impactful as DH has been for T1
that man single handedly prevented them from falling off a cliff after bangkok

I think platoon got dropped no? His twitter says LFT for 2026 and prev. GE analyst, also not listed on VLR for GE

??? you still have 2 duelists lol

are we putting hyunmin on initator then?

Lakia igling isnt so far fetched, he was midrounding a lot when he won shanghai

fuck that keep the ego! keep ragebaiting!

viper on split is very strong for reclearing space and taking space safely such that you don't need a fade dog, especially for the standard A walls

the same cannot be really said for pearl since viper isn't meta rn, + it is a wider and deeper map overall, meaning the design of the map itself makes it much harder to reclear the mid and extremity areas without util

just my take on it tho

tejo solo initiator
no fade dogs
one shitty drone for reclear on the most mid abusable map

solo tejo initator vs cryocells chamber
might be the shittiest comp of ALL TIME

bro is actually a chamber one trick