besides sinatraa, no top tier OW pro has converted. and we all know how good sinatraa is so imagine players like carpe playing val

not at all..KR is literally known for strats. ima be honest right here any region except Japan > kr in terms of aim. I'm not sure u rmemeber but their executes with the breach+raze on A was so easy and free for them. their haven was god awful tho if that's what u mean

the first time sea has ever made the playoffs unlike kr. 'oh bbbbbut recent results matter more 🤓' pati left x10 therefore the most recent thing rn is sea is on shambles. therefore VS>X10 as of recent. therefore kr>sea. thx helping my point

that is my point tho. every team got better which means taking a map off isn't special as it was back then. u literally jsut agreed with my point. you can't use the 'only the present matters not the past' argument cuz x10 lost pati which means they are nowhere near as good. u can't use the 'champions is a better way of measuring region strength' anymore the same way masters 3 results don't matter because 'it's only 1 tournament'

oh so then how is x10 feats impressive? after all their best feat is beating a #2 seed from one of the worst regions which NA now apparsntly is. in other words x10 have done nothing special. so now ur agruement on x10 and SEA is flawed as they technically haven't done anything

it is not the exact same thing wtf. literally every team took a map off GMB even the shit ones. in masters they did not drop a single map in playoffs other than VS. that means GMB was so much better than every other team at the time and only VS could be compared. to put it in simple terms which is more impressive beating a team with 67% winrste or like 90% winrate

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aee you implying teams didn't bring their best to masters as well? lemme guess they were 'saving their strats'. 'nuturn doesn't exist' well pati literally left valorant so there goes X10 and SEA so ur sea>kr agruement doesn't make sense

is sea better than na?

'that is 1 tournament' same could be said about champions. it's just 1 tournament. that's that's I'm looking at the VCT year as a whole and KR has performed 3rd best region 🤯

hey lemme ask u a question. which region is better na or LATAM and sea

are you forgetting what this is all about. X10 is not nearly as impressive as VS. why? because their only feat is beating NV.

ah right praising BR in order bring KR down LOL. Viking got 2-0ed by TS. And guess what TS dubstep said about VS. that VS is a top 2 team in the world (they scrim each other often)

are you dumb? can u not piece things together? I'm obviosuly taking about GMB in the context of masters 3. another victim of the aus dysfunctional education department 🤣

and don't compare X10 taking a map off to VS taking a map off. masters 3 Berlin was way more dominant then champions. even Viking took a map off GMB in champions

did u read my post? the greatest achievement kr has had so far is 3rd in Iceland. and 2-0ing ace (#1 emea seed) + map off GMB is more than a decent showing. they simply got matched with the future Berlin's masters.

to add to the sea point, sea scrims with kr a lot right. teams like prx have stated VS to be the best team they've ever played and TS dupstep put VS as a top 2 team. clearly VS > sea teams

How has sea proved anything when their best performance ever is quarter-finals? and nats said this after bootcamping and scrims and what not. u still haven't rebutted that VS were the only team to take a map in playoffs and they did that very comfortably

I don't like defending GE but they literally disconnected from their match against PRX at one point I'm pre sure. and Asia is 4x the size of Europe so larger distance

'Iceland was long ago' we are talking about region performance so it's very valid. that's like saying BR isnt the the best nation at football because they haven't won a WC in years. Don't even bring lcq into this lmao. do you really think an online tournament which hosts the entirety of apac with soem teams reaching 60+ ping is a legitimate indicator of which teams are better.

I hope u realise nats literally said in an interview coming into masters 3 VS was their biggest threat. And using the excuse of acend being shaky u could say VS were shaky this tournament as well. 'they haven't proved anything' they've proved more than every other region.

OCE would wipe india lmao

and they lost to every other team, including the teams Damwon beat. in other words a fluke

NU was the one who reached 3rd in Iceland not VS (since ur talking about 1 team being good). And that doesn't deny my point because other than NA and EU, Kr has had the best results which literally means they are a top 3 region

To the incoming BR trolls: talk when you reach quarterfinals

I don't get why people hate on KR by calling them overrated or bad in general. Kr has had the best performance throughout the year other than EU and NA (3rd in Iceland and VS 2-0 Acend and the only team to take a map off GMB in playoffs). Sure they underperformed in Champions, but if we use that context you could say SEA & LATAM>NA which is not true.

am i forgetting VS 2-0ed acend and was the only team to take a map off gambit? and NU 3rd in iceland...

hes 24 so by the time he gets back he will be 26?? basically he will be as good anymore

I just want news to come out asap so Korean players don't go to Japan for salary like Suggest

I mean someone can always learn controller right? mako wasnt a controller main until he go in VS unless im mistaken

bruh is this a troll list

skrossis trash op literally lost them lcq vs F4Q lmao.

Lakia 1v2 because that round saved the series and was a huge wtf moment

they are good fps they just dont like these kinds of games. take OW for example they have the best raw dps there. they simply traditionally dont like slow paced games

korea is still the best performing region outside of na eu. every other region except LATAM peaked in quarters (with the exception of brazil not even making quarters yet).

they were def top 3 in masters 3 cuz they vsed gambit first round and were the only team to take a map in playoffs. mind u nats said themselves VS were the strongest threat for them coming into the tournament even after scrims bootcamp.

their berlin (only team to get a map off gambit in playoffs)and lcq (all korean teams remained when there was only 1 team for every other region) was fine but yeah if riot decides of champions results probably 1 unless they merge kr and jp

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Ah it was not my intention to talk down on their success

When I talk about replicating performance I mean teams would VOD review and antistrat X10s and SEA teams aggressive strats which caught them off guard in champions

Am I the only one that thinks everyone is getting recency bias? Only X10 had a good run at champions (TS easiest group) and even then I think it was largely due to NV underestimating not preparing for X10 playstyle. I think they are a playoff-lock for the next tourney but I don't think they can replicate beating a title contender again. Ofc I could be extremely wrong and X10 improves further.

they've still had the best results out of a non-emea or na team

they didnt even play bad tho. fnc and c9 games were neck and neck

korea (not just VS) become contenders with the rumours that some overwatch pros are converting and the many teams that are coming into the korean scene

don't get recency bias. no doubt sea played great this tourney but that may be largely due to other teams underestimating them. time will tell i guess

they were the only team to take a map off gambit in masters and the final map was close as well. this time around it was kind of questionable, but honestly prob from lack of preparation for their group and probably focused on teams like gmb. they always started off slow and caught off guard then adjusted accordingly

what source?