You were saying?

optic beating them and having better results is grounds to say theyre better, not that they're "miles ahead". you dont almost lose to a team in a close ass 3 map series that you're "miles ahead" of.

guard lost to two top4 teams, optic doing well against some other good teams doesnt make them "miles ahead"
and you cant just transitive property that shit and say "optic > zeta > prx >>> grd therefore optic >>>>>>> grd", otherwise you can just say "g2>zeta>prx>>g2 therefore g2>>>g2"

if youre gonna call liquid seed #4 when they were the 2nd best EMEA team at the tournament then you gotta call optic the 2nd seed even though they were the best NA team at the tournament

true! everyone knows that if you play against good teams and either win or make it close you are miles ahead of every other team

what other teams? only other team TGRD played was PRX who was a top4 team and that optic never played...

pretty fuckin clear excuse if you use your head

coming back to this after ZETA very much do not shit on optic

its not just about FPX. FPX FNC GMB and G2 were looking like the best teams. FPX were the best by far and couldnt go, FNC could only send half their roster, GMB has one bad series and misses out after being 0.02s off qualifying, and liquid the 5th best team gets sent in place of FPX

1 win doesnt make you better, but miles ahead? one marved ace was the difference between guard beating optic again

loud have existed for 1 (one) stage

NA 1st seed didnt play LOUD fool

5-0 in groups and beat M3C to qualify but they lose a match to G2 who were also at their best and now theyre bad YEP

NA EMEA and APAC are still the best regions since they actually have more than one good team. EMEA>NA>APAC>BR>KR>JP>>LATAM but if you want to separate out the outliers: EMEA(with FPX and all of FNATIC)>NA=LOUD>ZETA>DRX>APAC>KR>BR>LATAM>JP

how would they be top 2 when they were worse than both zeta and loud...

i never disputed that loud are a great team, or even that theyre better than optic, i just said that on the whole NA>BR

right, so if SEN dont sign kanpeki in time they could still just sign him later and play with him then

how did 100T play with bang and jcstani halfway through challengers when roster lock had already happened then?

i like the walkouts but i think you have a good point with the music

respect

Breaking Bad is such a good show, highly recommend

g2 were a shaky tier 1 EU team that found their stride and overperformed in challengers playoffs and then went back to looking decent but not great at masters. guard exploded to the top of the scene in 3 months and had an underwhelming match against paper rex due mostly to inexperience and LAN jitters.

because NA has like 3 other teams almost as good as optic, BR has no one close to LOUD

BR only has one good team.

yep lucky seeding for optic, having to beat xerxia kru guard and drx to get where they are
while the guard lost to optic, another NA team, and then one series to PRX and suddenly theyre shit

Xerxia also almost got out their group in 1st place while NIP didnt even come close

old image, deconfirmed officially today. why would 13-16th get more points than 12th anyways

if you're not trolling your brain is actually in a vegetative state

LOUD is also the only good team in BR while NA's top 4 teams could do serious damage in this event

3/5 of G2 have been to a VAL LAN before + their players are much older

who tf is even on the soniqs roster anymore

its an entirely different team and they were shit since they lost yay on ABX anyway

tsm wont be top 10

fuck a world cup

they were losing to KRU all year last year when kru were shit too

3 EMEA
2 NA
2 APAC (SEA+OCE+SA)
1 BR
1 LATAM
1 KR
1 JP
1 EMEA LCQ
1 NA LCQ
1 South America LCQ
1 APAC LCQ
1 KR/JP LCQ
or if they were to keep the masters 3 winner slot, take away one of the EMEA slots for that

"this format is legitimately fine and idk why anyone would want to change it but also i want to change it"

believe it or not, its possible for the logical conclusion to be that someone is guilty without them having gone to court and been convicted.

anyone who's listened to the audio knows unless they're in denial.
innocent until proven guilty applies to the courts. if cleo hadnt presented evidence then sure, we can assume his innocence, but given that theres pretty damning evidence against him that he has been unable to refute, pretty easy to see the logical conclusion

anyone who's listened to the audio knows unless they're in denial.
innocent until proven guilty applies to the courts. if cleo hadnt presented evidence then sure, we can assume his innocence, but given that theres pretty damning evidence against him that he has been unable to refute, pretty easy to see the logical conclusion

no shit sherlock
obviously only they can be certain, but it aint hard to look at the evidence and draw the obvious conclusion

the number of sinatraa fans who know that he did it and still say "oh but he's changed, you cant hold it over him forever" say otherwise

xerxia beat optic in close matches both times they played, where is this "shit on" you speak of

they qualified to masters 3 by winning Stage 3 Challengers Playoffs, not by winning Masters 2. Also they're still tier 1 depending on where you draw that line.

you work for a rapist mate you cant be getting mad at this

smacked acend + hardest quarterfinal match at berlin + only team to take a map off gambit in the playoffs + group of death at champs + ratio

I'd put loud low A, high B-ish myself, but regardless loud is the best team brazil's ever had by far and sacy+saadhak almost beat gambit at champs so there's reason to have hope

because brazil has historically been a shit region

liquid CS is NA

victor covid + ratio