that before 2023 argument isn't even a thing, 13 won clutches out of 139 at stage 2 in 2022, 6 out of 36 in stage 3 (improvement). the only event he was good at clutching was last chance which was 18 out of 58, fairs to him. If you wanna tell me, he "was the best clutcher in NA possibly before 2023" based off one event, idek what to tell you

yeah he had 8% clutch success last season, insane clutcher!

u know how many teams lose their map pick bc they get anti stratted?

mf said leaf

walking decoy unluko

tex is gonna be dropped regardless, lowk a shame though, loved him on tgrd. position in lev doesnt suit him though

yeah, tbf they lost against the two teams that went to the finals. made it close against kc too

not reading all that, i'm happy for u tho or sry that happened

its not abt immigration, calling him "not russian" is stupid, he's an american with russian roots. So does that not make him russian? Me when my iq matches my room temperature

why would it be abt oxygen having more money? His buyout is gonna be too high for this season, so i'd guess a lot of teams aren't willing to pay that, otherwise he would've gotten the wo0t treatment already. OXG is known for high buyouts, I remember hazed saying something like skuba's buyout being insanely high too, when he wanted to get him on TSM

because he plays for a turkish non-winning team, most people associate that w being ass. cant expect anything less from vlr users

yes mazanov is the most average american last name!

brother cant read

sen is not gonna qualify but other than that, for sure

smartest 100t fan

i think both of TH and KC played good because they had no pressure, i think thats gonna be different on masters, hope they make a run still though

buddy changed his flair and flag realquick, mf was twerking for america and faze the other day

lmaoooooo

marteen gonna clear na

marteen is insane fr

Everyone with a functioning brain knew that igl is the most important role

johnqt? idk abt that one, i love him but hes only done so little w cypher so its hard to judge. i'd still choose nats but that guy is playing w 3 rotten potatoes on his team

yeah he was rumoured w flyuh and co according to rostermania spreadsheets

The "I could see" analysis is based on how much orgs like C9 or 100T spend on other games in order to win.

I don't think it's based off laws, CS has players competing at 17 too. I could be wrong though

I don't think the chance to win something is the same. Hard to say how KC's roster is going to turn out and develop, but I could see an org like 100T or C9 spend more than KC would to build a "superteam"

That rule is stupid as hell, though. so many talented players are missing out on vct bc of this. Same w juicy who's been on bleed before, one of the highest rated players in pacific ascension and helped bleed qualify for vct but had to search for a new team bc he's 17

I never said KC doesn't have a bigger budget, just can't see them going all in with it though. Almost every player they've picked came up from T2. I'd guess 100T or C9 are willing to spend more than KC

wo0t is turning 18 in march though, verno at the end of april. Idk when roster locking starts, but march leaves a bigger gap to prepare for champions, for example. I think that's the main argument

I'd guess bc he's getting bigger salary in NA, more chance to win something w an org like C9 building a superteam. Can't see KC willing to spend the same budget

once he turns 18 hes gonna be on a franchise team for sure, same w reduxx

Do teams like 100T and co regret not taking the chance on him if teams like NRG were willing to? mf is cracked. Most likely will leave KC to go back to NA after this season too though

tenz and co won't win another trophy too, so it's fine

very good is debatable done shit w skye at lcq, he's mid at best. once he gets dropped from c9 i dont think we'll see him in franchise again without proving himself in tier2

i dont think xeppa is a good piece tbf, always underperformed. even in champions lcq he did terrible. He for sure is getting replaced otherwise idk what c9 is cooking

pretty sure the Brazilian esport community is the most toxic, gotta love the enthusiasm for their team, but thrashing their own players is ridiculous. same thing happened in cs with coldzera once he dropped form, there's a reason why the brazilian esport community is hated by so many people

theres no way you said c9=liquid, both are ass but c9 is definitely more ass

how is emea b second last if navi and even shitty ass liquid would beat furia, c9 and perhaps mibr?

so if emea is washed, and n4rrate isn't on a top3 team in emea (i'd argue fnatic, navi and heretics are better based on what we've seen), what does this make NRG then if he was supposed to join it?

that exact t2 player was abt to join NRG before EG collapsed, which would've been a top3 NA team, so is NA just as bad as EMEA when a tier2 talent would've joined a top3 team?

that whole team was ass tbf it wasn't just him

won't face off as neither of the teams will qualify for madrid, so gotta compare them this way

scream is good individually but his igl isnt it and man was also playing w 2 bots on his team, cant blame them for being ass

lowkey some of y'all forget that n4rrate is him, was supposed to join NRG before EG collapsed

vo0kashu didnt hold himself in tier2 spanish league and then moved to china, where most of the teams would get diffed by polaris teams. I really like vo0kashu but i don't think he would strive in franchise, would love to be proved wrong tho

Musashi trialed for some vct teams according to rumours and spreadsheets, so I'm guessing there's a reason why they didn't take him

glazing 🔥🔥🔥

Yeah, in being ass since 22. mf concentrated more on mewing and rubbing his hands on stage than getting kills

i don't think we'll ever see babyj playing in vct without proving himself in tier2. there's a reason on why he trialed for EG this offseason, and they didn't take him

tbh he played w xms and newzera, afterwards w a coach. shouldn't be any discussion on why they were ass

you're right, I should've said almost half of their team. I counted destrian as a t2 player bc clearly this guy shouldn't be near any vct roster