how is a noname the best valorant player in EU? how come this guy never played in a tier 1 game in a team before? meanwhile csgo legends suck at csgo while the best valorant player sucked at csgo so hard he played a cringe custom cs ripoff game

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lmfao

I'm a tsm fan on top of 100T fan so im just gonna say that they will do good and be able to qualify for the next challengers, but realistically thats just copium. unless they can get a miracle honeymoon run with their new 5th man, maybe something similar to fnatic can happen. as for c9b and andbox, they're definitely making it, Faze will not make it i dont think, babybay just isnt consistent enough at all, NRG will prob make it

SEN 2-0 XSET

unlucky. u might wanna consider going to a different apartment for the future if this seems like something that can happen again.

Yeah...

lmao. yeah Latina women are really hot as well, but for me, nothing beats the asian women

Asian women are my type, they're honestly so hot, specifically Korean, Chinese, and Japanese women

huh? what does yoru have to do with anything? he's a viable pick on bind tbh, and sentinels are showing that. They've just changed their comp.
"also im sure SEN prepared a lot for fnatic over their month break, given that they were guaranteed to play fnatic as long as they beat KRU"

not necessarily, this is an unproven assumption. they probably did a bit of prep on every team because they had no way of knowing what teams were the best before the matches actually happened.

yeah but that doesnt necessarily mean they did more prep lmao. again, they had 1 day for the grand finals and 4 days for this match. winning this one definitely matters to them wdym? they want to go to berlin.

I mean most top tier NA teams are probably better than fnatic either way because they're trash rn and not as good as they were during iceland. But even fnatic at their iceland peak would lose to some NA teams bc the NA teams took maps off sentinels right before they went to iceland while FNC couldnt.

yeah sure. they dont underestimate people and shaz does insane prep work for literally every team he plays. its not like they had huge prep possibilities either, because they only knew who would be in the grand finals the day of, so they had a day to prep. they had 4 days this time

I'm down bad fr

yes im gladly a simp ;)

sure, whatever helps feed your superiority complex bro.

I mean thats a simplification still but yeah, thats basically what Im saying. Its not like you've even said anything to counter it so...

Cringe.. imagine having such a superiority complex that you assume people are baiting without even trying to provide any valid counter-argument. You need help lmao

That's a gross over simplification of what I just said but ok.. lmao.

Nah, past matches are not prep possibilities because teams evolve and adapt their strats and tendencies. Unless it was like literally a few days ago then it doesnt count. Fnatic had even more prep possibilities in the grand finals, probably more than any other NA team, because more vods, more tendencies, yet still couldnt take a map. This alone disproves your argument of 'scrimming and playing matches'.

Of course its possible that they got worse, but we dont know that because we havent seen their LB run yet. We know that Sentinels always come in clutch in the LB, but we have to wait and see. If they do bad in LB and flop, then we can make the conclusion they've gotten worse. The soniqs example isnt really valid, as that was sentinels' first tourney match in months, and almost every team lost a map as well. Soniqs isnt a tier 1 team either, and sen probably didnt practise enough/ was rusty. If you wanna use a valid example, use one from actual tier 1 tourneys like challengers/playoffs. But oh wait, NA teams took maps off sen in playoffs as well. other top NA teams could've beaten fnatic at iceland, like Envy, 100T and C9.

enlighten me, o Wise Intelligent Soniqs Fan

yeah, it doesnt matter at all, because both have same prep possibilities. Its not likely, either bro. You can find many tendencies and info from VODs, once again. 100T doesnt even scrim against sen lmao and took a map and was 2 rounds away from 2-0ing them. I couldnt care less what the sen players say, they're biased towards themselves and its obvious. It doesnt work like "Pro Opinion = 100% fact Instantly and you cannot question it" thats just not how it works.

Yeah no, this is actually fucking troll. Shaz is clueless, no way he removes Tenz off reyna when they already have a jett, actually bullshit lmao. Icebox is reyna's best map probably.

"h my god you just missed my entire point, im not trying to excuse fnatics loss, im saying the reason NA generally is more competitive with SEN compared to how the international scene did against them is due to NA having significantly more practice against SEN than the teams at iceland did."

no, thats exactly the 'point' im debunking here.. It doesnt matter that NA teams play more, it literally doesnt. you act as if they play 24/7, no, they dont. Scrimbux dont matter either. They're just better teams than EU mostly, but again, its very close between the regions. Theres no excuse for Fnatic not even being able to take a map off them lmao. They had the same amount of time to prepare as any other NA team would, and even more tbh. Literally 2 weeks.

"GenG has probably scrimmed and played against SEN SIGNIFICANTLY more than Fnatic, so no shit theyd be able to take a map at some point."

Unproven, and either way, both have same prep possibilities. Fnatic probably had more tbh, 2 weeks in iceland compared to 4 days in NA finding out the bracket. Scrims dont matter once again. You cant just say 'no shit they'd take a map', no, taking a map is significant and it shows that the teams are in close contention. FNC not taking a map just shows they're much worse off.

What if she's lying though

Because Gen G took down a top 8 NA team (andbox) ? and gen g are definitely a solid team now? Also, "NA teams have significantly more practice and generally play a lot more against SEN so obviously Fnatic who could only watch outdated vods of SEN and only had 2 weeks of prep for iceland will not do as well against SEN compared to SEN's domestic rivals"

this is not a valid argument at all lmao. all the teams at iceland had equal chances to play sen exclusively if they wanted to, even more than NA. scrimbux dont matter either way. EU had the same preparation options as NA, that isnt an argument at all.

NA takes maps off Sen because they're just a better region, and more competitive, but its extremely close between EU and NA.

Yeah, i know that lmao. It's unproven, but of course it is, it's hypothetical. I'm just saying that its very likely based on the logic I provided.

Im not though, I literally said IF they flop in the LB as well

not necessarily.. fnatic hasnt evolved at all. they've gotten worse. you have no proof that g2 > sen or that its even likely bc fnc coudlnt even take any maps off of sen. G2 winning more convincingly doesnt matter

If you wanna talk then at least use proper examples bro lmao. That SRN example is not valid at all because its open qualifiers. Everyone loses maps, and you dont got footage on the teams.

Losing maps and series against tier 1 teams that you can prepare for and that prepare for you however, is obviously the real discussion to be had.

Your logic is really disingenuous tbh

That's just an unproven and unlikely assumption.. Of course they'd put in a lot of time and prep into this, this is important as fuck too, they need to win to qualify to Playoffs

Obviously not 1 to 1, but it definitely exists on some degree logically speaking. It's just logical, and 99% likely, obviously not factual, because we will never know who would win, anything could happen, but we're talking about how likely certain things are.

Example, if envy beats 100T tomorrow then its 99% likely they would've beat V1 as well.

I know that bro... I literally said that in my OG post. Sen could redeem themselves

Ik they havent beat sen yet, but wdym its not how it works? lets say gen G wins here and then sen flops in the LB, how would that not mean that its extremely likely that Gen G >> fnatic?

Gen G going super close with Sen and possibly even beating them is just a W for NA tbh, shows how competitive we are similar to EU

OH NO NO NO LMAO.

But actually, if Gen G beats sen 2-0 or 2-1 here they're probably better than fnatic (iceland peak) UNLESS Sen make a lower bracket comeback and then roll Gen G.

Both players are insane fucking duelists, and even if you think Tenz or Asuna is better, regardless they're both super close to each other in performance tbh. Easily both are top 3 duelists NA. I'd put Asuna slightly over Tenz tbh, but on LAN, obviously I'd give it to Tenz because we havent seen asuna on LAN.

I mean its really not, because it makes sense and is likely to be true as I've explained. V1 was unstable and shaky at iceland, and like I said, not at their best bc of a stand-in. 100T or envy would've done better because of a more solid roster and no stand ins.

Just because they try to use a new comp doesn't mean they've actually evolved. Evolved as in team skill and consistency, which has not evolved at all. Other teams have evolved hugely, like you said, while fnatic hasnt. Thats the main point here. Fnatic's experimental bind comp sucked, they lost twice 13-9. Sen beat fnc 2-0 as well. But that isnt relevant, the point is that fnatic at iceland was their peak performance, but now they're just not as good. V1 at iceland was not peak performace, like i said, because of the stand-in.

I agree with u on the Liquid part, they dont seem to be as good as they were in Iceland period/EMEA playoffs

Well no, because the two examples are not the same really. Fnatic is just falling off, and have not evolved, while other EU teams have. The idea that just because G2 beat Fnatic means they'd beat sentinels isnt true or likely at all because 1. Sentinels beat them 5-0 2. You have no proof that Sentinels are in the same situation as fnatic (they didnt evolve, catch up to the meta etc)

Meanwhile, Fnatic was at their best during Iceland. V1 was not, they had a stand in. So replacing 100T with V1 is an entirely different scenario, and therefore can be argued.

Yeah exactly. It's just theory, and it's 99% likely, but I have no proof to say that its a confirmed fact, it's just a theory but its also likely to be true. They of course have to prove it, and hopefully at berlin.

" Wtf are these percentages, what sense does it make to compare different region teams in that way and what relevance it has at this point?"

It's' hypothetical, and purely for discussion purposes? If you don't like it then you dont have to reply here lmao. It's not that hard, you just seem to like whining just to whine.

"Even though its probably true and 100t is stronger than nuturn and liquid but that is the worst way to compare teams."

So you're contradicitng yourself and admitting that what I'm saying is likely to be true. Obviously it's not a factual way to compare teams, and I even stated this in the original reply. Its just around 99% likely to be true, based on the logic of 100T being a solid and stable team without stand-ins, and beating v1 convincingly.

"Also the fact that you state that what you write is logical is even more cringe. If its logical, you wouldnt need to say it, people would recognise it."
Not at all. The average IQ on this site is 20, and 99% of people including you I'd say are extremely low IQ and ILLOGICAL. So I have to state the logicality of my take

I mean obviously, its hypothetical, but the point is that the hypothesis makes sense, and is even likely, as I've explained

I mean.. we dont know what their split even is lmao. They could've improved a lot on it

I think that they could've easily become as strong as they are now by the time they got to iceland, bc teams at iceland had like 2 weeks to prepare and shit, so yeah.

Thats completely unlikely and false tbh, zellsis is not really much better than thief individually. Thief is insane and a tier 1 pro with a lot of experience.

Yeah no thats not how it works. Its not about match-ups, if a team beats another team convincingly then they are just better. If 100T loses to envy tomorrow then envy is just the better team, and that would also most likely mean envy is better than v1 atm as well. You saying that they have a 'better match up' is honestly the only braindead take here, as that can be applied to literally any match in the world. Its just 100T is better. Sen vs fnc could just be matchups then, and not sen actually being better, when we all know sen is obviously better.

actually, the v1 roster core of 4 players has been together for a REALLY long time, since around january. They got wippie in april. Thats not really a valid argument to anything Im saying, but ok.