HOLY FUCK MAN I JSUT JOINED STREAM THAT KJ CLUTCH WAS NUTSSSSSS

i love racism on vee ell arr when a region has players who play bad

i mean

no saadhak = no win

cant see loud doing better than top 5-6 at best and thats if they all get in form and go insane

maybe sneak up to a international spot if caua pancada tuyz go nuts but pancada seemed out of it + no less hyper carry

i love my favorite edward gaming coach potter

well well well

kaajak is not a snake at all

from his POV:

the most successful EU team of all time, with 4 of their members from one of the best teams ever decided they wanted to drop their star duelist, and they wanted HIM. Do you even understand how fucking crazy it is when FNATIC asks for you? When FNATIC knocks, it's a different kind of knock, one with insane money, promise of success, and legit chances to win international events.

Anyone calling him a snake or a rat is out of their damn mind if they wouldn't do the exact same thing in his position

praise god we are finally getting the king back

who cares if he's carried by chamber most fun agent to watch in the game when he's good

fnatic also had it easier with lockin/ all of 2023, which i think was the easiest chance a team will ever have to do the golden road, as it only makes there 4 trophies to win rather than 6

i just want dsg in franchising because having content creator orgs become sustainable should be a goal throughout all of esports, with everyone leaving the valorant scene these guys are how we are gonna get our next generation of sustainability because of how much money theyre dumping to try to get their team to that level

stopped reading at drop zekken

i would say this is AWESOME

and then i realize that everyone in kc got kicked or leaving...

fart

south north america = mexico?

i mean its probably quite expensive to live in mexico city my guy highkey

why are we saying 5th like we know who the 4th is bruh

What happened here, tweet is deleted

Based on comments I assume its something related to beef being served to a Hindu?

brother eugh

I think Chron has talked about how Riot fucked them over vs KRU and made them play on like very little to no sleep, but also Acend is the one with the trophy so does it matter?

My main thing is that all of 2021 is plumber era and that single elim tournaments are bullshit and should be counted as lesser
WHY THE FUCK DID WE MAKE REJKYAVIC A DOUBLE ELIM BRACKET AND THEN RUIN BERLIN AND CHAMPIONS?????

I don't believe any match is a 100% loss, not even mibr vs prime geng

but I believe a Gambit, the best team of 2021, with proper rest before the biggest grand finals of their lives, would have won that match

But also Acend won champs 2021 so does my opinion really matter? No

is it confirmed?

100% agree, which just further proves how we need to have a reason for orgs to invest before the teams start to qualify for ascension/the split before. If we have Premier teams that made it off of pure skill and vibes then them being denied the opportunity to prove themselves on the biggest stage at LAN because the system is meant to be "unstable" is pure bullshit and goes against the whole spirit of Tier 2 esports

So I agree that it is keeping the best orgs in the business, and the worst/least profitable orgs are leaving the scene, but I don't think this is a good thing. The main reason I don't like the idea of having orgs that can't invest/won't invest into valorant into the league is because we simply can't afford less orgs in the league. The game is not large enough like the Premier League where T2 orgs/clubs will have their own backing and are able to stand up by themselves through just fan passion, and along with that, in many regions the teams are so separated (eu having their own league for each country), which just splits up viewers even more. Even though it is good that only the orgs that are investing for valorant are staying, my main concern is that eventually everyone will leave and just let Premier teams come and try their hand, and orgs will pick up whoever is the best premier team and try to save as much money as possible.

To talk about your academy team point, I don't know about BR/LATAM, but for NA (IMO) the academy teams aren't going to be good for the league, because not a single org will want to try to pick one up. Why would an org like C9 who is barely scraping by, and is actually starting to earn a profit as an org due to penny pinching (yay/dropping their 2023 roster), or EG who literally dropped fkin everyone on the best team at the end of 2023, want to spend money on an academy team. The only teams I can potentially see doing an academy team system are SEN (because they might have the money to), 100T (they also might have the money to, but also Nadeshot has been talking about how they are losing some money before), and NRG (the team that dropped the LCS team that made it to quarterfinals before losing to the eventual LOL Worlds Finalists). Although it seems like a good idea in concept, I don't see why any org would want to invest in it without some sort of REAL incentive.

(Also East Coast vs West Coast isn't a thing in Valorant because of every NA org being from the West Coast, and most americans/canadians root for America/Canada, not their specific area)

I don't think viewership would solve this issue though, as even if we saw viewership rise as a whole, there's no way for the orgs to take that viewership and turn it into a sustainable cash flow. The way that riot is combatting this problem of a sustainable cash flow this year was through team skins + champs skins, which looked to be REALLY effective! Most people following esports aren't really going to be willing to pay 100 dollars for a jersey of a team they like, much less a tier 2 team that they've barely heard of.

Imo riot should lean into using Valorant the game as a way to sustain Tier 2 orgs, and if we see the classic get used again for VCT Tier 1 gun skins, riot could try to make Americas/Europe/China/Pacific Tier 2 pistol skins like the ghost, where they would be similar to the Lockin knife variants, but instead provide money to the Tier 2 leagues.

You could take this a step further, and in order to incentivize orgs to not just buy out rosters, give an extra cut of the proceeds to orgs who stay in the system for longer, allowing for orgs to be more sustainable and give players some more money to work with.

idk about f1, but I feel like something riot could do is move around their esports budget (at least for americas this is doable), and try to provide a base salary to all orgs invested in tier 2 year round, to try to incentivize orgs to stay in and not try to hawk rosters once they get good

especially with the new December system where it seems to me who hasn't looked too deep into it that there's no reason for orgs to invest into, and they should just drop their rosters

there is no point

you leave, come back before ascension, drop a bag on the best roster, hope they win and carry you to tier 1 and riot accepts you

if not, you leave the system, don't pay people for months, and try again next year

shut up fart

dogshit user who doesn't understand his own org would drop everyone and leave the moment they could like they did to dhokla and co

and I want NRG to win

I just want to understand what Leo Faria was thinking when he and his team made this ascension system.

As a Tier 2 program, everyone can agree that there are not enough benefits for orgs to invest in, as we see from Acend leaving the Tier 2 system due to (I assume) concerns with money. The only TRUE reason that teams invest into Valorant Tier 2 is for a hope and a prayer that they will field the best team that their entire region has seen, and end up becoming ascended into Tier 1, where, I am going to admit, the rewards are INSANE for every org who gets into the system. However, this creates the dynamic of a massive carrot on a stick, which orgs are starting to wise up to, and are starting to leave because of how low the rewards are for every org who doesn't get ascended, causing many orgs to just leave Valorant.

Now, with the aspect of Tier 3 coming in, and the Premier system becoming a real thing, the entire system is going to start to fold in on itself. Leo Faria himself has said many times in many words that "We don't want slots in Valorant to be getting bought by orgs, we want the orgs to invest and earn the spot themselves with their old roster."

HOWEVER

With what happened with the Guard, we are going to eventually end up seeing orgs just stay out of Valorant until there is a proven roster, then buy that org for a tournament or two in the hope that they might win, then remove their investment. Now that we got the ruling that players who do not have an org can choose an org themselves to represent them, (G2 taking the place of TGRD), there is LITERALLY no reason for teams to invest in a team in Tier 2 before the 2nd stage of Valorant Tier 2, after we see what teams are actually good (see DarkZero/TTR).

Basically, Leo Faria and co's system of "We are going to disincentivize people buying spots in Valorant Tier 1" I believe will lead to:

1. Most purely profit based orgs (not DSG/MXS who have passion in their reason for investing) not investing in teams until the tournaments that they prove themselves in, or potentially even at or after Ascension.
2. If a team from Premier ends up winning Ascension, then an org will have effectively "bought" their spot into Tier 1 Valorant, rendering this entire system useless
3. Teams immediately dropping rosters after they fail (OXG), and letting the rosters play without a salary before coming back into the scene to try to swoop up a spot.

What is the upside to this system. Orgs will end up "buying" a spot in ascension even with the system they made to try to stop this effect, orgs will drop the scene due to very little incentives, players will have very minimal salaries through the entire year until an org picks them back up if they prove themselves, and the quality of the game will go down due to less and less potential pros finding it viable to actually even try to pursue a career in Valorant.

This is a very Americas centric post, because I don't have much knowledge on other systems, but I do hear that Europe's system is really weird and Pacific is always hating Jake Sin (the organizer guy) for their Tier 2 system, so please fill in any gaps I would have had with examples or situations from Pacific, Europe, and China's Tier 2 system, as I am SURE there are more examples to back these ideas up. Please Leo Faria change something.

guys i think we found the GE manager for the past 2 years

tenz
Munchkin (IGL)
cned
Sacy
patitek

coach can be kaplan cuz america or drewspark from scotland

cook or no

fnatic fan says 2023 was a bad dream

???

i dont pirate...

BUT if I DID it would only be for tv shows/anime and it would only be so that websites like crunchyroll dont get money because fuck international megacompanies who don't pay their workers fair wages

i cant believe zofgk is ending :(

i would have thought they would have kept someone tho, and not just blown up the whole roster

is faker retiring and thats why theyre going with tenten as midlaner? ik poby was mid in challengers but he feels better than a random guy off the side of the street

last year there was a competent NA team
but also last year the latam and brazilian scene was washed asf this year theyre fucking terrifying

That TSM had a single fluke run and is ruining NA's reputation with this garbage

like i love my boy aproto (deagle demon) and sym but I'm sorry a full power Dark Zero or an MXS/OXG that isn't throwing deserve to be here more even tho TSM won on that day

Peak peak peak

Get a combo pizza with the veggies n everything and oml its peak

chadhaak rules once again back on his throne

DK???? DK VS T1????? HYPE TYPE SHIT

bro arent u eu

From watching sliggy, it seems like the main issue was that they didn't have an IGL, and once they started running out of Engh/Zeish cooked up set strats they lost steam and couldn't midround

i just like mxs and sym goat

also ORIGINAL DEAGLE DEMON IN TIER 1 YES PLEASE

LAZ LAZ LAZ

sinaatra going on his primmie arc

idk if Tacolila was a chamber merchant, feels like in 2023 lev had more problems with their structure and him being forced to go in specific pathing and not being free to do duelist things, and that hurt his stock a lot (comes from issues in coaching rather than his own choice)

I wasn't aware that this was a special thing

was taught english that something like bcj, zekken, ayrin, dephh, and cryocells was a normal way to do it

keznit
heat
saadhak
aspas
dgzin
reserve mwzera

just for fun

twinking man's valorant (kirya)

unironically

chamber was the most fun meta of all time

2021 early was just reyna dumbasses
2021 astra was cancer

2022 chamber peak
triple initiator, ascent being fun as fuck, random comps, amazing calling, peak highlight reels

2023 harbor viper cancer spamfest

2024 was cool but like so. much. raze. and its just all omen very basic stuff

what is this in context with

nah GE better at being dogshit

not only on team side but also on management side

they have rushindra buff its impossible to beat how dogshit they are at every level

What ranks is this a problem at? I feel like regardless of how many cheaters there are, IMO I've never faced a player from diamond and below who I've played against/with and immediately said yeah he's hacking vs the more plausible option of he's just a smurf/having a good day

This might become a big deal in high ranks but for lowly ranked gremlins like myself I don't see it mattering a whole lot in terms of actually playing the game

In what sense?
In terms of international placements, where optic is objectively better? Or in terms of star player, where regardless of how good demon1 was, yay 2022 is probably the best player we will ever see from an individual perspective
Or in terms of eye test, where if we go off your eye test, every team in 2021 would be at the bottom and sen 2021 would be one of the worst because of how barebones their strats were
Regardless if you think 2023 eg would beat 2022 optic in a 1 on 1, 2022 optic performed better overall in every measurable way as a team at internationals, even if EG wasn't given a chance to