if they like crazy comps then they're just sabotaging themselves lmao, lost ascent the last 4 times they played it vs drx, zeta, rrq, and now geng

it's so fucking shocking how they're not picking the most IMPORTANT AGENT killjoy on ascent

"he's so good on raze it would be a shame to not utilize it"

and? doesn't mean that raze is good on every map you dumb twat, think with your goddamn brain for once you're embarassing us prx fans

you are absolutely delusional if you think sage is fucking good on ascent compared to KJ. I'm also a prx fan but come on let's not be stupid here

really if jinggg can play one of the hardest agents in the game (raze) then he can definitely play killjoy who's job is to just SIT STILL, do a few molly lineups, and just put shit down bro

bro all you need to fuckin do is to go the standard ascent comp with jett kj omen kayo and sova

im tellin ya jingg's horrendous agent pool is what's holding PRX back in ascent and non raze maps
yes he's been one of the best raze players since 2022-till now but bro's agent pool is so shit bro just needs to learn killjoy on ascent and prx should be better
like its not that fkin hard to learn kj just learn a few molly lineups and stay put as a sentinel (but fr he really can't stay put though because he's jinggg)

kayo and sova = davai n forsaken
jett = something
omen = mf
kj = jinggg

like bro instead of cooking up shitty comps that have you lose the last 3 times you played ascent, how about implementing an info sentinel on a 4 choke map..

unless they're just hiding their ascent comp for champs but we'll never know

how about marved?

i mean johnqt himself said he was african (he's right, he's literally north african) so that is literally EMEA

d4v4ai and mindfreak have the calmest aim in PRX but for movement and aim wise, I think something and jingg is better than them.

Yeah demon1 would be here but I just listed current players that are on the starting 5.
For Leo, in my opinion has better decision making and better game sense compared to alfajer who imo has better aim and mechanics

I don't watch talon and secret matches but invy is also cracked, jitboys too.

For t1 izu definitely looks more comfortable using raze/duelist but because of the numerous role switches and him being omen, he didn't have that much fragging compared to sayaplayer, though I'll reconsider him in the list

well I don't watch enough gentle mate games lmaooo so i guess natank is also good enough

I would say he's a close 2nd but he's up there for sure.

karon is a good shout, Flashback has more potential and we'll probably see him frag more next year

understandable

understandable, tenz has been mechanicially the best in terms of raw aim but I feel that zekken has slightly better movement, especially with his raze and neon

or just make a reverse aging machine for FNS, make everything in his body except his brain 15 years younger, and have him aim train everyday for 2 months, that's the fix!

by mechanics, I just mean the mechanics of the game such as raw aim, quick decision making, reaction times, and movement, so this list is gonna be full of flashy/smooth aim players.
Unfortunately for more static roles (there are some exceptions) such as controllers and initiators, they're not going to be listed here because we don't see much mechanics from them when compared to duelists/flex players. They just focus on a more supportive role and that doesn't mean their worse or bad.
I also want to make it clear that this is my opinion and you guys are welcome to put your own players down in the discussion below, let's (try) create a civil discussion here.
I'm also not gonna list everyone here because I obviously do not watch all teams.

Americas:

1. SEN: between zekken and tenz (edit: after consideration yeah i think tenz is just way clear of zekken, but movement wise zekken is better)
2. 100T: Cryo (asuna is just wayy too inconsistent)
3. NRG: s0m
4. EG: jawgemo
5. C9: oxy
6. G2: Leaf
7. LEV: aspas
8. LOUD: Less (pAncada is also a close 2nd)
9. KRU: keznit
10. FURIA: mwzera
11. MIBR: artzin(?)

EMEA:

1. FUT: Cned
2. Heretics: w0ot
3. NAVI: suygetsu
4. Fnatic: Alfajer (Leo is also a close 2nd)
5. Karmine Corp: N4RRATE
6. Vitality: Sayf
7. Liquid: nAts
8. KOI: kamo(?)
9. GIANTX: Cloud
10. BBL: QutionerX
11. M8: TakaS

PACIFIC:

1. DFM: Meiy
2. DRX: Buzz
3. GENG: Either t3xture or Meteor but i prefer t3xture
4. PRX: a three way tie between forsaken something and jingg but I prefer something
5. GE: i have no idea but from what little matches i watched lightningfast and blazeking look solid
6. RRQ: Monyet or Jemkin
7. T1: Sayaplayer
8. Talon: Governor
9. Secret: Jremy
10. Zeta: Dep
11. Bleed: Sscary

China:
I don't watch much chinese valorant but ill just pick Kangkang and life i guess lmao

prx listened to everyone and got an assistant coach + a mental coach so prx should be good enough to get top 4 in champs

b00

bro predicted the future

only 4 people have won trophies bro the rest don't even have a trophy like zellsis pipe down brotha let NRG qualify for an international LAN first

c0m just needs to work on his fragging. It's always a bit sad seeing him botfragging with single digit kills. Bro needs to grind deathmatch everyday

but he is sexy though, a gorgeous looking man

it was 100% a fluke because they only got to shanghai from teams not fucking banning bind against them

ofc it is brotha i didnt' say it was easy at all. I knew signing great players are hard but It's Team Liquid we're talking about, one of the biggest organizations in esports. I'm sure they can pull it off and if not, atleast get close to it. I'm sure EMEA Tier 2 has some IGLs that are sleeped on like johnqt (although he played in NA Tier 2). Or get some tier 2 NA IGLs. I did not say anything about how this is going to be easy to do.

Agents that need to be reworked:
Iso

honestly watching and playing iso is so BORING because there's no fun movement abiliies you just press his shield and shoot people.
I want iso to be reworked and have a fun movement ability. I dont know what it'll be but you can literally copy paste the 100s of movement abilities from overwatch or MOBA games.

Also shields shouldn't be in tac fps

true, Liquid could import an NA IGL though. Maybe Zander? idk though zander isn't that experienced in IGLing. Also I can vouch to get Cloud instead of Jamppi. Cloud is SO GOOD BRO but he needs a better team. Such an underrated player. or they can just find a young upcoming player who just turned 18. Liquid needs some fresh young firepower

In my own opinion, kick mistic and enzo. They're good players but their peak is only tier 2. They're not consistent with their firepower. Sometimes very good but most of the time just lacking.

I know I said kick jampii but he's just underperforming because of the whole team. IMO the fix is:

1. Kick Enzo and Mistic
2. Get a dedicated EXPERIENCED IGL that can lead the team and be the controller
3. get a cracked flex/initiator player that has good util usage and amazing aim (you can literally search through turkish tier 2 to get one like hiro and riens)
4. Keep jamppi on initiator
5. Force keiko to play solo duelist (His jett is amazing, but he has to adapt to learn more raze and neon) if he wants to succeed

problem fixed.

liquid SKRossi

if nats can somehow become a decent enough IGL and surround himself with 4 cracked young players then liquid can atleast make international tournaments. But I don't think its his playstyle and he likes to anchor lurk and play by himself

I'm honestly fine with a rebuild but I say we keep nats for 1 more year and bring in 4 rookies then it should be good to go

liquid Shahzeb "He Knows" Shahzam Khan

how is enzo not trading that bro like DID BRO EVEN SHOOT?!

yeah i was a bit harsh on jamppi but he's literally the meme where "sometimes very good sometimes very shit"

what do all of you think of how to fix liquid?

bro i swear man why am i supporting this team

I just feel like enzo mistic and jamppi have past their time and like they're not that mechanically good against the top 10% in EMEA.
They just need to build the team around nats because even in a shit team hes the only one performing decently
They're so much talent in tier 2 NA, turkey, and other european countries

keiko is decent but he just looks like another jett one trick.
Liquid's solution is to get a GOOD IGL (NOT ENZO) who is a hype man and can lift the team's spirit up.
enzo is only good in ascent spamming with an odin from what I see.
Jamppi to be fair is great sometimes but he's so inconsistent
Then they need 2 cracked young players who can go toe and toe vs emea's best teams. Literally look at heretics with miniboo woot benjy and riens who are all under 21 with boo as the senior and the leader and they're fucking destroying.

I think this is a similiar trend that I'm seeing in some teams like NRG where I think victor and crashies' time is up if NRG don't do well this 2nd split, which will allow FNS to build his team with ethan, som and 2 young NA players from the huge fucking talent pool

Keep: nats, keiko
kick: jamppi enzo mistic

Get:

• an actual IGL, someone who can lead, idk who the hell they can find in EMEA, to fill in the smokes role
• 2 cracked aimers, a raze/neon/flex player and a cracked initiator, someone like miniboo and riens
• keiko has to improve his raze play or he can switch around and be jett on jett maps and

then you got a good team. There is no way liquid is making champs so theyre season ends in july, kick those 3 people, get 3 fresh players and grind from august to february next year. By then you'll have a good drilled team after riding for 7+ months

liquid bro you have a WORLD CLASS TEAM ORGANIZATION AND FACILITY HOW ARE YOU GETTING ABSOLUTE DESTROYED BY BBL

I AM WRITING THIS THREAD MID GAME AND THEY LOST A FUCKING 1V2 HOW IS ENZO NOT TRADING THAT BRO WHAT ARE YOU DOING

when you compare nats a masters MVP and almost a champions winner to mistic enzo etc who are chokers and mechanically not consistent enough then you are gonna have problems

they were forced to let go at the time cuz if singapore millitary dummy

some of these dont make sense lmao

should be enough but depends on other teams. If they lose twice then its gg

I'm sure they can win atleast 2 of 3 of their last remaining games, FNS' calling is very great and they just need more time to gel together

Fun fact this guy "Bobosaur" was an OG PRX CSGO player alongside mindfreak and davai (and alecks when he was still a player). He then left prx and played for teams like NKT and huat zai alongside nephh.

I'm so glad they finally have is what i assume is an assistant coach. Now the team should have better strats and better decision-making during timeouts instead of just hearing alecks.

they really should sign some fresh young players. I like Keiko and hes a young prospect but mistic and enzo's time is up

PLEASE NATS GET OUT OF LIQUID OR PLEASE LIQUID BUILD A BETTER TEAM AROUND HIM FFS MAN

and prx were up 9-7 as well bro. Then they decided to just fucking kept on pushing on defense and lose 6 rounds in a row

its insane how zyppan (one of the players with a lot of raze experience) isn't playing raze

also navi really just got aim diffed vs heretics, who are SO YOUNG and navi looking like a bunch of old men so there's that as well.

for me, as a prx fan, loads of matches:

1. Both grand finals losses vs fpx and EG
2. 100T icebox match

fuck this team man

i dont get why shao is their smoker bro. Didn't this fpx core win with him maining fade sova and flexing onto sage? Didn't he clutch more on initiator?

I feel like it's better for the IGL to be the controller than some weird flex initiator role that's clearly not working. ANGE1 the goat of inting and overcooking

IF

100% true. If flor can pull off the same shit woot did in shanghai then she deserves to be in t1 but until then, she's fucking smurfing against immortal gc tier 10 players