crazy that margaret the cypher onetrick is getting diffed on cypher and diffing on kj lmao
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crazy that margaret the cypher onetrick is getting diffed on cypher and diffing on kj lmao
Congratulations to OGS Ivy, Francis, and Dambi for making it to Franchising! Believed in these kids and their clan for years now :)
bro still crying over korea taking Ws
I'm still waiting.
bros like that. Dambi Francis and Ivy were that age when they started their path to being pro.
Xross is frying at a younger age in bigger tournies tho
tbf the teams in KR T2 may not be that good but the talent 100% is. Dplus have a tendency to play very badly sometimes.
I agree, their pace is so overwhelming I feel like you have to be in the server to really feel them
Xross solo won Bind vs SPG. He almost won them the series ngl, guy was heating up towards the end. And he's 15. Kid is one to look out for.
Like, we're going to ignore the fact that literally everyone on this team is capable of insane mechanics?
the cope is crazy
put some fucking respect on their name. i'm not saying they're winning ascension but holy fuck the amount of "they don't really look that good, they won off hero plays, their whacky comps & aggro gameplay won't work"
literally what people said about PRX LMFAO
Not gonna lie, SPG looked terrible vs local competition, and so did RNT. Only advantage with SPG is the quality of scrims they have access to, given every team was in Korea a few days back, let alone every Pacific tier 1 team they have access to.
SPG won, but their executes, planning/timings, trap setups, etc looked off. Maybe too much of how good Geng and DRX plays made my expectations sky high. Also, pretty much every team in ascension has a similar record, everyone cooked during split 1 and played their A game in split 2.
RNT's stats show their winrate on icebox was less than 50% even before they picked it. Yoru on icebox as main dualist, everyone knew it was a 2-0 when it started. SPG in my books still doesnt look as good as FS, BOOM or riddle.
Chill out. SPG has had really good games but they haven't looked flawless. Riddle order came close. SPG won ascent based on two hero sheriff rounds. You honestly don't want to jinx their run like everyone did for m80 is all I'm saying.
SPG hasn't looked all that was promised, whacky comps and aggro gameplays only work till you come across 5 aim demons who are disciplined - Time for Boom or bust show
Not true at all , the thing is at a good level of valorant util matters much more than aim , if you set your duelist up for success he will definitely kill multiple if he is actually good.
SPG and FS are much more well drilled - great util setup, great discipline, great leta exploitation with neon.
The best raw aimers in tourney are DSG guys followed by Boom . Let the tournament continue you will see you will see
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Still don't look as good as FS?
Currently waiting.
WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS?
"SPG looked weak vs domestic competition" ahh LOL
"SPG looked shaky" ahh LOL
"SPG won off hero rounds" ahh LOL
Give them the respect they deserve. This is a DOMINANT run so far. Revenant and Riddle were the teams that pushed them the most LMAO
they literally made grands in apac lcq 2021 through lower bracket too, they made champs 2021
3 of 4 most experienced players ptc foxz and sushi are at the bottom of the scoreboard LOL
what pressure bro they are down 0-9 this is not a choke from pressure they were being steamrolled from the getgo
ultimately it is not due to pressure, they just cannot match spg's pace or util. they play retake and they get fucked, they play site and they get fucked, they play other areas of the map and spg just runs in and gets a free postplant.
i hate the music video. focused so much on linkin park instead of showing T1's journey at worlds 2023. beating every single lpl team as the last remaining rep for korea? after faker's injury? or should we show the t1 players getting beaten up by randos until faker appears and end the music video?
W or L?
Feel bad. He must have been harassed a lot. On the other hand, this guy actually dug his own grave. Chunk exposed him for not properly checking his sources, and after saying he'd be better, he guessed Reduxx would be signed by SEN for RBHG before someone told him RBHG was 18+ and he had to google it to fact check himself...
didn't you just say that SPG weren't more well drilled and more aggro? why are we saying they're now more disciplined? you like completely 180ed on your original post
and from eye test SPG had way better mechanics than BME. they were winning so many fights off just confidence. Like Ivy getting 2 dry peeking Icebox A as a defender
Dambi, Ivy, and Francis looked pretty good even if TOGS wasn't doing as hot. Same with Banger and UdoTan. You probably didn't know this because you never checked but it's actually crazy how nobody picked up UdoTan sooner because his stats were insane last year. Guy had like 160/170 ADR on the agents he played. But ig you'd needed to have watched the games first to really tell.
KR tier 2 has always been full of talent, just bad management and coaching/organisation. The raw potential of the individuals there has not changed over the years.
The Dplus win against BLEED was nothing special
BLEED's only loss the entire tournament was a clean 2-0 to Dplus wdym lmfao? Dplus clearly had the potential to win just as much as they had the potential to bomb out in groups. The point is that Dplus were just an inconsistent ass team prone to huge error, but when they aren't they could go toe-to-toe with the best.
Brazil is probably the most impressive recent region development.
EU has been around since eSports was a thing, similarly to Korea.
I think overall KR just has too much legacy to be dethroned by China just yet. Even in terms of recency KR > CN at LoL. Since 2018 KR has the same amount of Worlds titles as CN (2020, 2022, 2023 vs 2018, 2019, 2021), with all 3 Worlds winning CN teams having 2 KR players. But tbh 2018 and 2019 don't really count because they were in the CN scene for a while.
Go anywhere before 2018 and KR is overwhelmingly better than CN.
I don't follow Overwatch much these days but as I understand it CN<=KR in OWL and CN has yet? to win any OWWC titles?
CN clears KR in CS for sure. Maybe PUBG idk. KR is the best EA region in Apex yes? REJECT Winnity I think won the recent tournament or something?
Korea's major gamerbase is still heavily skewed towards LoL. I think PUBG/OW kind of died out a bit and Valorant is the only game on the rise.
Dplus was so awful. When they played well they could have been so much better considering they were the only team BLEED lost to last Ascension and it was a 2-0 at that.
All the good players were NOT in Pacific, I can assure you that. Specifically Ivy, Dambi, Margaret, and Francis had just played in Tier 2 that year. UdoTan was in T2 as well as Stew, BeYN, Yoman, Banger, Jinboong, etc.
Heard of free1ng? The guy who tore up CN ascension? He's been in the scene since 2020. He played against Vision Strikers.
People just don't follow the region, and that's okay. Just don't make up false narratives. The player quality was fine. The problem was that Dplus had a bit of a chokehold because they've been in the scene for a while and have experienced staff and players. Gwangju Shadow IMO were the best team in Korean Tier 2.
i haven't seen too much of BOOM but i feel like they're not really as good mechanically as people have been making them out to be. I feel like FS has better aimers than BME.
Yeah but HS% isn't everything...
What Thai talents would be better? foxz? sushi?
Primmie
JitboyS
PTC
JohnOlsen
Crws
Might be goated
Heya. Just wanted to know if SPG still don't look as good as BOOM or RID like you said? =)
SPG won, but their executes, planning/timings, trap setups, etc looked off
SPG looked terrible vs local competition
SPG in my books still doesnt look as good as FS, BOOM or riddle.
Do they still not look as good as BOOM?
most fraudulent signings ever I feel. Governor's Neon is not better than JohnOlsen's and Ban is okay at best...even though I had higher hopes given his performance in NA.
But again my original comment wasn't directed towards you at all and my comments about them bring overhyped by downplaying other teams has been directed towards people who were doing that
You said PRX would win easily. I disagreed. Where's the overreaction?
Also don't get this heated for a random t2 kr team. Show this much passion for eu or vitality.
I don't see you getting hyped for any team that isn't from APAC or CN? Are you perhaps a CN person in SEA? I supported Vitality's run to Champs, because I'm a big fan of Sayf. My flag and flair is because of Twisten. I wanted to honour his passing in my own little way out of respect.
Is it bad for me to believe a team that influenced so much of Tier 1 meta comps deserves the respect that tier 1 coaches and teams are giving them? Does that make me Korean?
I can easily turn that argument on its head and say you're CN/SEAsian and you don't like the idea of KR doing well given that you've been disrespecting GENG's achievements and your earliest posts have been saying CN is better than Korea at eSports and all that as well. But obviously that may not be the case and it'd be very rude and disrespectful of me. So I won't. Calm down bruh. I think SPG are a good team. That's it. Idk why I have to be Korean to believe that.
Also your comments indeed look like you are overrating them a little
Sounds like you're just acting emotionally. I gave you the facts.
They farmed Heretics in scrims. Tier 1 teams stole their comps.
That's all I said. Did I say they'd beat PRX? No. Did I say they'd win Ascension? No.
I only said they can hold their own against one of the best mechanical teams in the world, and they appear to have an understanding of the game that tier 1 teams like Fnatic respect enough to steal their comps.
Please tell me where I'm wrong in this assessment or where I overrated SPG in it. And calm down. You keep acting like I'm calling them the best Valorant team of all time or something.
Yeah mechanically scrims can show how good the team is but again there have been many examples like geng in scrims but exact opposite of geng performance in actual event.
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When lol? GENG were monsters and scrims and for the most part were monsters in officials? They made every grand final except one for the entire year. They are mechanical monsters as well, I think Boaster was saying GENG were the only team shooting back when they scrimmed them for Madrid. Scrimwise and officials-wise, they were mechanically insane.
A lot of things don't carry over from scrims, but if a team is consistently doing well mechanically they'll likely be just as good in officials. You can't have good aim in practice and have bad aim in officials the same way you can have good ideas that don't work out.
Don't know what's so hard to understand about this.
You need to calm down a bit and not get heated like this.
Sounds like you're more upset than I am considering you're just not getting what I'm saying, and I've repeated myself 3 different ways. I'd say I'm being way more patient and reasonable than you. I think you should take a breath and reread our entire conversation.
he won LCQ 2021 and made Champs.
At the time his rifling was insane but his oping left a lot to be desired.
Pretty talented player but to be honest I feel like during the past few years there were better Thai talent. garnetS and Surf proved their mettle against international competition when JohnOlsen couldn't.
He's had this level of performance last year as well, but couldn't make it. Interested to see how he does this year.
I'd like to know where I overhyped them or downplayed other teams?
Who won Madrid in a 3-2 vs a team assembled 2 months prior? The same team that dominantly won through upper bracket and mostly lost because they ran out of energy in their first ever BO5? Don't be intellectually dishonest. You know the point I'm making and you're just acting stupid. Clearly scrims can be just as good of an indicator of a good team as not. And at the bare minimum it's inarguable that a team won't just play worse mechanically because it's a scrim. At the bare minimum if a team of aimers is getting FARMED in scrims then the other team has impressive mechanics of their own.
I still think any top 3 team from any region will win against spg from what they have shown so far.
Fucking obviously lol
Also that's not overrating when prx even in their low have shown what they are capable of
And what they're incapable of. Let's be real. PRX are just as likely to make bad mistakes that cost them games as much as insane plays that win them ones. You're just focusing on the latter over the former. Once again, I'm not saying PRX will lose. I think it's obvious a tier 1 team like PRX would win against an inexperienced team like SPG. But I don't necessarily think it'll be easy.
Also scrims are always a very different thing. Like edg were getting destroyed in champs scrims but we saw what happened in actual matchups.
Sure, and GENG were undefeated in scrims at Madrid. And although GENG barely scrimmed at Shanghai I'm pretty sure they did well there too.
Dplus Lakia and Solo ended up winning the first ever trophy for Asia this year instead :)
Meanwhile Ascension winners BLEED did....?
It's not overrating them to state facts. Neil said SPG farmed Heretics in scrims. At the bare minimum, it means they have the mechanics to contend with the 2nd place team at Champs and 2nd best team of 2024.
Which is impressive. They also obviously have enough conceptual knowledge to create comps that are taken by tier 1 teams like Fnatic. Which is also impressive.
I didn't say they'd easily beat Heretics or GENG or PRX or whatever. I just stated the facts.
You're the one who said PRX will "easily" win. Which might not be true. I think sure PRX will win but I'm not underrating or overrating any team by saying it'd be "easy". The only one doing any kind of overrating is you.
Considering Neil literally said SPG farmed Heretics in scrims then at the bare minimum they have the level of mechanics to contend with them. Teams aren't going to somehow "aim less" just because it's a scrim lol. And Heretics are one of the most mechanically talented teams in the world?
And like I said, mechanics aren't enough but they obviously have enough knowledge of the game that tier 1 teams like Fnatic are copying their comps.
literally their first game on stage at an international LAN? Then they went 26-8??
Sure, but mechanical skill is mechanical skill. You think a highly mechanically gifted team like Heretics just doesn't shoot back because it's practice?
Go look at SPG's comps and tell me why Fnatic stole their Haven comp, or why Trace beat Leviatan with their Bind comp.
These guys obviously know what they're doing.
Except according to Neilzinho SPG were farming teams like Heretics in scrims.
Still don't look as good as Riddle?
they started off 7-0 in their first ever international LAN matchup and then went 26-8...
and imo they looked good while doing it. yeah revenant aren't the best team but SPG looked good. Icebox is SPG's permaban btw. they've never played icebox ever until now.
Interested if your opinion has changed?
Aspas did not do shit 2023
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