Why not just make Scream your Igl duelist?
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Why not just make Scream your Igl duelist?
G2 would have role issues if they had Jingg. PRX literally have to flex all their roles all around him because of this issue.
Clutches only work because the other team plays sub-optimally or makes a mistake. G2 rarely got clutched against because their teamplay is a lot tighter.
Be mad that your team wasn’t good enough today, not because the other was better.
I cooked:
I wanna see the GOAT, c0m, as a two-time word champion.
Derke is already on the list. Reading isn’t difficult.
Sen has invested the most into the scene and has been there since the inception of T1. Valorant is their number 1 priority as an org and I can’t really say the same for FNC.
GenG would be considered more consistent in the same way 2022 Optic were but Sen would be considered the “best” of 2024.
The only duelist Tenz has played this year is Yoru.
Yeah, he’s the most accomplished duelist with a record beyond a single year. Also, I didn’t include any chamber merchants because most fell off.
T3xture, Jawgemo, and Ardiis are close seconds to Zekken right now and could easily replace him if they maintain a higher performance for another year. T3xture could also do it by placing higher at Champs this year.
Victor is the only caveat but he’s as much of a “system” player as Icy is.
Aspas
Benjyfishy
Chronicle
Demon1
Ethan
F0rsaken
Grubinho
Heat
Invy
Jawgemo
Karon
Less
Meteor
N4rrate
Oxy
Patitek
qRaxs
Riens
Something
T3xture
Urango
Valyn
Wo0t
xffero
Yetujey
Zekken
If you’re really wanna talk all time, you can’t include Karon because he’s in his rookie year and has weaker accolades than everyone on 2023 EG.
Here’s my list. Saadhak is the only one that appears twice and I placed Yay in the Sentinel role since he was only truly relevant on Chamber with Victor as the primary entry. I would have place Victor 5th in the Duelist category but he’s always been lackluster compared to his contemporaries.
As the game progresses, a number of these players will be cycled with Champions that maintain relevance going into future years. The names in Bold are definitely staying in the top 5 but the rest could fall out of favor if they disappear like 2021 Acend. Below is a list of players that I think have the potential to shift up by the end of 2025.
I might seem a bit low on GenG players but it’s very possible they have a single hot year and fall off like Optic post 2022. Mazino has a long history while Riens and Wo0t seem to have the same consistency as a Leo level player.
There’s no inconsistency in what I’m saying dude.
At Tokyo, EG was the only competitive team given PRX had a sub — and yes, EG was expected to be much weaker. They only fixed their map pool and comps going into Champs. FNC was the overwhelming favorite going into Tokyo, while there were 4 teams at Champs that looked like winning contenders.
Teams get stronger and weaker over time relative to their competition. Champs 2023 is the most competitive tournament thus far and EG was the best team there, with Demon1 having the most dominant performance.
This isn't complicated.
It’s easy to have high ratings when your team is dominating comparatively weak opponents. It’s like saying Mike Tyson beating a heavyweight challenger is unimpressive just because it looks less dominant than you smacking around a toddler.
Jawgemo
Demon1
Wo0t
Leo
JohnQt
Coaching: Potter and HSK
2023 EG is peak Valorant. No other team has yet exhibited the same level of coordination, explosiveness, flexibility, and clutch factor — although GenG is likely the closest. Demon1’s performance from Champs is also unmatched and his stats prove that; no other player has been as dominant outside of 2021 Tenz when the scene was in its infancy.
I think a duelist like Jawgemo would suit them better. He’s got the flare but he’s also extremely familiar with highly structured playstyles.
Most people are fans of players and not orgs. 4/5 players in G2 haven’t been in international conversations since 2022 and the lack of a star doesn’t help.
Some people are saying that G2 have a “boring” playstyle but it’s just mid-round heavy which means you don’t get the massive team fights like with PRX (defender sided aggression) or SEN (5-man retakes). They prefer skirmishes and re-clears and rarely full-invest in any single fight.
Jawgemo’s ethnicity is Cambodian but his nationality is American. The only ethnic Americans are the Indigenous and the rest of us are immigrants.
I would swap Furia with C9 and 100T with NRG. I agree with the top 5 though!
If you followed the TGRD Ascension run, you knew Tex was always good. He just needed time to adapt to the Sentinel role.
It could happen. They have a 3 point differential and G2 can potentially gain 4 between the last three groups matches and the playoffs knockout round. I can see 100T losing to EG and LOUD and missing playoffs. If they also lose to MIBR then it’s even easier for G2.
What does Demon1 even play here? He’s not an initiator or flex — maybe perma Iso or Sentinel while FNS moves to initiator?
No, any region. But you can only get 1 import. So it could be 4 APAC and 1 EMEA for example. I would personally include the coach in that restriction but you don’t have to.
Post your vision for a super team that would win all three internationals next year. You only get one import. Here’s mine:
Jawgemo
Wo0t (Import)
Cauanzin
Less
Valyn
Potter
EG take is based but FNC ain’t making top 4.
Top 3 will be between Sen, TH, and GenG with 4th in contention. It’d be great if it’s FPX so every region is represented but I could easily see a second Americas Team taking it.
Although JohnQT is counted as an import on the GCD (Non-Resident Status), the last game he played in MENA was over 3.5 years ago — having only 5 games on his record from that region. His first official in NA was 3 years and 2 months ago, right after the first domestic Masters, and before the first ever international. He’s been in the region ever since, playing in rosters from ez5, Soar, Ghost, M80, and now Sen.
His citizenship might be different but he’s an NA player through and through.
Icy gets sick and G2 sub in Jawgemo
I did some tweaking with my other suggestions in mind and settled on a final build.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/WoozyKoala/saved/XGYKhM
First, I got you on a DDR5 platform with a better value B760m motherboard. It’s an mATX form factor so I chose the Lancool 205 Mesh case as it’s one of the best quality options that can fit that RX 6800. The case also provides clearance for a larger CPU cooler so I opted for the Assassin Spirit 120 EVO since it’s unmatched at €20. While the case includes two front 140mm fans, I added a 3-pack of Arctic P12s but you can get LianLi ST 120s if you care for matching aesthetics/RGB.
I know it might seem odd but getting a new case likely is the best option here. Other GPU options are either poor compromises or break your budget. On the bright side, this build is one mean, compact machine.
I can’t recommend either the 7700XT or 7800XT at their current listings. Compared to the 6800:
7700XT costs €50 more but has
7800XT costs €150 more and has
Any argument that could be made for improved RT performance will point you to a4070 which is only €50 more than the 7800XT.
You honestly might be better off just buying a new case to fit in that €390 6800. This would also give you the option to pick a more robust cooler than the AXP because of improved clearance.
The only right answer is
CN only has two world class players and KK is the more flexible hard entry and the better Opper.
Wo0t and Leo are best in class for Initiator/Flex. Picking any other duo is foolish.
Valyn is currently the most consistent fragging IGL. He’s also great at midrounding which is ideal in a skirmish heavy meta.
Meteor is the obvious choice given Wo0t already plays Viper and they need a Yoru. He’s also a top 3 Sentinel itw.
Potter is the best coach.
All good dude!
Prices tend to fluctuate for GPUs daily due to new sales. Make sure to use PcPartPicker to check prices and compare reviews from the best value models for thermals/user complaints.
Hope that build treats you well!
Yeah. At their respective peaks I’d argue that they have similar impact. c0m might have slightly weaker fragging but significantly better clutch genes and utility. They’re more similar than they are different.
I would argue that GenG is not much different from Prime EG in playstyle with their heavy focus on team fighting and mixups after establishing proactive defaults.
EG had better on the fly utility abuse with ridiculous ult combo executes but GenG has stronger team-fighting protocols. I would still favor EG though given how GenG continues to struggle against PRX in their region and prime EG absolutely matched that pace. EG would crush both Sen and TH and have a close match with GenG but still winning it out.
The firepower matchup in their respective peak forms is close.
The F model means that the CPU doesn't have an integrated GPU so it can't output a display without a separate GPU. It's useful if your GPU spontaneously dies on you and for some specific workloads but generally won't lower your performance. If you're concerned about your GPU shipping in faulty or needing to troubleshoot without it, it's worth grabbing a non-F variant.
If you care about upgrading your CPU in the future while still on the LGA 1700 platform — like to a 14700K — then you should go with DDR5. 14th gen intel benefits from a 7% gain in average fps and a 10% improvement for 1% lows when running on DDR5 over DDR4. Several B760 boards ranging from €150 to €180 give you the same practical connectivity on a DDR5 platform, saving you enough money to afford a 32GB kit of DDR5-6000 CL30 RAM and maybe even the non-F CPU skew if you choose toward the lower-end. Lower cost doesn't always mean a worse product — some of it is brand value and niche features.
Also, I noticed that the AXP series isn't that affordable in Italy but you can order the 120mm version from Amazon.de for about €38. Check the CPU cooler height clearance for your case though, because it can be difficult to approximate by eye. Most ATX cases can accommodate the Peerless Assassin so I'm a bit confused why yours doesn't. Can you tell me what the case is?
Edit: Sentence Structure.
2021: Nats
2022: Yay
2023: Leo
2024: T3xture
2025: Jawgemo
I went slightly over budget by £10 but pulled off 3 different builds. You can ignore the third option if you intend to use a cloud service for working on large models.
A Ryzen 5 7600 paired with a 4060ti. You get robust CPU Cooling with a Phantom Spirit Cooler and 32GB of fast DDR5 RAM on an AM5 Motherboard. This gives you future upgradability and a system tuned for 1080p high-refresh gaming (540Hz) all in an mATX package:
A Ryzen 5 5600 paired with a 4070. You get a decent AM4 Motherboard with only 16GB of DDR4 RAM in the same case with the same PSU but with a 4070. You'd have to use the stock cooler unless you want to invest another £20. You sacrifice long-term future upgradability (up until a 5800x3D) for a system tuned for 1440p single-player gaming but perfectly capable with esports titles up to 240Hz:
A Core 5 12600K paired with a 4060ti 16GB. This is a productivity and machine learning build first. Extra e-cores for multithreaded tasks and 16GB of VRAM for larger models and data. Go for this option if, and only if, your models/data will exceed 12GB of VRAM whether that's 3D rendering/animation or model training like with SDXL. The downside is that its compute is choked by low memory bandwidth and this card's value sucks for gaming:
Can you state your budget? Also, your list doesn't include any storage and Nvidia is the better option for any Machine Learning/AI productivity tasks.
For you, Sentinelmain377
Thoughts and Prayers for a swift recovery!
Oh, seems I was wrong about Z790 being DDR5 exclusive. I don’t see why you’d go for a DDR4 version though. Either save money with a cheaper B660 on DDR4 or go for a more premium DDR5 B760/Z790 — if you’re worried about upgrades, the latter option is better because of robust VRMs and higher RAM speeds on DDR5.
The KF models just mean overclocking without an integrated GPU for trouble shooting.
The NZXT C850 is a speculative A on the Cultist Tierlist and is sourced by Seasonic. It’s listed at €104 but is on sale for €86 rn. Reference the PSU Cultist tierlist and forums to sift through all the unknown models.
Your CPU cooler choice makes a lot more sense with limited clearance. If you’re really limited for space then Thermalright also has the AXP lineup which is a great alternative to Noctua’s L9s.
I think it comes down to historically successful EMEA teams having a preference for Controller IGLs: Redgar, Ange1, Boaster, and Boo. This results in a surplus of high impact Initiators (Leo, Shao, Cloud, Chronicle, Riens) and Sentinels (Nats, Suygetsu, Alfajer, Benjyfishy).
Americas is the opposite with IGLs preferring Initiator and Sentinel roles: Shahzam, FNS, Saadhak, Boostio, and JohnQT. Thus the high impact Duelists (Aspas, Zekken, Jawgemo, Keznit) and Controllers (Marved, Pancada, s0m, Demon1, Tenz).
G2 is an EMEA system in Americas. Valyn is the Controller IGL while Leaf is the star Sentinel. Trent and JonahP form a consistent initiator duo and all of that covers for a less than stellar Duelist.
I brought up esports titles because that’s what SuperRoss plays. Extra performance from a stronger GPU is better than Upscaling and Frame Gen with a weaker GPU. AMD generally offers more performance for less money up until the halo products.
Yes. Both the GT710 and RTX 2070 fall into entry tier with further nuance that the former should never be considered and the latter is bad value compared to a 5700XT precisely because of resale value. It’s not an absolute scale dude. There’s nuance between tiers but a simplified grouping is good for newcomers to get a general understanding of their options.
Future proofing isn’t applicable to everyone. Some people buy 4090s thinking they’ll get into 3D modeling and Rendering but end up opening Minecraft RTX every time they boot up their PCs.
I already made my point of power consumption and heat when I mentioned SFFPCs. It’s all a matter of personal preference here as long as your provide enough cooling for your parts.
People ask about upgrading from their 1080ti’s because prices exploded during the shortage and every current gen product from Nvidia costs more but offers less than before. Smaller buses, less memory, less cores (4060 vs 3060), and less value.
Nvidia has superior software on a more advanced node but gives consumers terrible value because of it. They’re the Apple of the industry and will keep shafting us at lower product tiers because their supporters insist that it’s better than investing in slightly inferior competitors that offer similar options at better prices.
For someone who talks about legitimizing cheaper GPUs it baffles my mind that you don’t see how anti-consumer they are.
I’m still praying that Jawgemo joins the G2 roster so that they win every LAN next year.
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Peak Immo2, Current A3
Wait, I'm not quite following. Does your €1000 include the monitor or do you already have one? If not, I highly recommend the AOC 24g4X — it's the best-in-class 1080p monitor when you account for high refresh and color gamut. It costs €130 but can go on sale for €105.
The 12600K is a great choice but nets an extra 4 e-cores over the 12400F for an extra €59 when they don't contribute to gaming performance. That's money that could go to your GPU.
Z790 Boards are only DDR5 compatible and generally cost more because of increased PCIe 4.0 lanes. The TUF Z790 is €270 when you could get a sufficient B660 for €90 - €120.
RGB for RAM is purely cosmetic. Prioritize performance — 32GB of 3200 MHz CL16. €14 savings if you forego the RGB.
The Hyper 412r is worse than the Thermalright Assassin X. It's more compact but louder, compensating with a higher RPM and deeper finstack because the fan is smaller.
MGP A850G is a high-end PSU. €140 is quite expensive for an ATX PSU. Are you sure you need 850w and does it have to be fully modular at 80+ Gold? You could allocate anywhere from €40 - €70 from this to your GPU.
The Crucial P3 Plus is a good choice. I don't understand why your secondary drive is a SATA when you could buy another NVMe M.2 drive. The price differential is negligible and reliability is higher with NVMe.
Add up those savings from budgeting your other parts more strictly and you have nearly €320 for your GPU. I'd recommend a RX 6800 which would let you abuse high refresh for even single-player games at 1080p — they're going for about €400 between Amazon de and it.
Here's a compiled list of the parts. There's no case included though.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/WoozyKoala/saved/#view=PMM7CJ
Edit: The list I linked is to illustrate the best value for performance. It sacrifices RGB aesthetics and add-ons like Wifi and more robust heatsinks. It will crush every 1080p Ultra settings game you throw at it even if it doesn't look pretty. Throw an optional €50 to get a nicer board and RGB RAM.
You can look at local stores but from what I’ve read, Amazon.de and Mindfactory tend to have the cheapest prices. Mindfactory has shipping constraints that would require you to work with a third party mailing service.
Geizhals is the best website to see prices across all of Europe but you’ll have to account for VAT conversion and shipping viability/cost. The cheapest distributors are generally from Germany and the UK but the latter will have customs fee from no longer being part of the EU. Italian VAT is 22% while those German distributors have prices with a 19% VAT. If you use them to compile parts, you’ll have to budget for €975 to account for that differential that will only show up at checkout.
I recommend starting with Geizhals and then going through Amazon.it and .de to get an idea of what you’re working with. Do you already have a monitor or do you need to buy one as well? What about other peripherals?
If not, you’re firmly in 1080p territory with your budget. I’m going to reply to this commend with a list of some parts that would likely suit your build.
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