I would swap Furia with C9 and 100T with NRG. I agree with the top 5 though!
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I would swap Furia with C9 and 100T with NRG. I agree with the top 5 though!
If you followed the TGRD Ascension run, you knew Tex was always good. He just needed time to adapt to the Sentinel role.
It could happen. They have a 3 point differential and G2 can potentially gain 4 between the last three groups matches and the playoffs knockout round. I can see 100T losing to EG and LOUD and missing playoffs. If they also lose to MIBR then it’s even easier for G2.
What does Demon1 even play here? He’s not an initiator or flex — maybe perma Iso or Sentinel while FNS moves to initiator?
No, any region. But you can only get 1 import. So it could be 4 APAC and 1 EMEA for example. I would personally include the coach in that restriction but you don’t have to.
Post your vision for a super team that would win all three internationals next year. You only get one import. Here’s mine:
Jawgemo
Wo0t (Import)
Cauanzin
Less
Valyn
Potter
EG take is based but FNC ain’t making top 4.
Top 3 will be between Sen, TH, and GenG with 4th in contention. It’d be great if it’s FPX so every region is represented but I could easily see a second Americas Team taking it.
Although JohnQT is counted as an import on the GCD (Non-Resident Status), the last game he played in MENA was over 3.5 years ago — having only 5 games on his record from that region. His first official in NA was 3 years and 2 months ago, right after the first domestic Masters, and before the first ever international. He’s been in the region ever since, playing in rosters from ez5, Soar, Ghost, M80, and now Sen.
His citizenship might be different but he’s an NA player through and through.
Icy gets sick and G2 sub in Jawgemo
I did some tweaking with my other suggestions in mind and settled on a final build.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/WoozyKoala/saved/XGYKhM
First, I got you on a DDR5 platform with a better value B760m motherboard. It’s an mATX form factor so I chose the Lancool 205 Mesh case as it’s one of the best quality options that can fit that RX 6800. The case also provides clearance for a larger CPU cooler so I opted for the Assassin Spirit 120 EVO since it’s unmatched at €20. While the case includes two front 140mm fans, I added a 3-pack of Arctic P12s but you can get LianLi ST 120s if you care for matching aesthetics/RGB.
I know it might seem odd but getting a new case likely is the best option here. Other GPU options are either poor compromises or break your budget. On the bright side, this build is one mean, compact machine.
I can’t recommend either the 7700XT or 7800XT at their current listings. Compared to the 6800:
7700XT costs €50 more but has
7800XT costs €150 more and has
Any argument that could be made for improved RT performance will point you to a4070 which is only €50 more than the 7800XT.
You honestly might be better off just buying a new case to fit in that €390 6800. This would also give you the option to pick a more robust cooler than the AXP because of improved clearance.
The only right answer is
CN only has two world class players and KK is the more flexible hard entry and the better Opper.
Wo0t and Leo are best in class for Initiator/Flex. Picking any other duo is foolish.
Valyn is currently the most consistent fragging IGL. He’s also great at midrounding which is ideal in a skirmish heavy meta.
Meteor is the obvious choice given Wo0t already plays Viper and they need a Yoru. He’s also a top 3 Sentinel itw.
Potter is the best coach.
All good dude!
Prices tend to fluctuate for GPUs daily due to new sales. Make sure to use PcPartPicker to check prices and compare reviews from the best value models for thermals/user complaints.
Hope that build treats you well!
Yeah. At their respective peaks I’d argue that they have similar impact. c0m might have slightly weaker fragging but significantly better clutch genes and utility. They’re more similar than they are different.
I would argue that GenG is not much different from Prime EG in playstyle with their heavy focus on team fighting and mixups after establishing proactive defaults.
EG had better on the fly utility abuse with ridiculous ult combo executes but GenG has stronger team-fighting protocols. I would still favor EG though given how GenG continues to struggle against PRX in their region and prime EG absolutely matched that pace. EG would crush both Sen and TH and have a close match with GenG but still winning it out.
The firepower matchup in their respective peak forms is close.
The F model means that the CPU doesn't have an integrated GPU so it can't output a display without a separate GPU. It's useful if your GPU spontaneously dies on you and for some specific workloads but generally won't lower your performance. If you're concerned about your GPU shipping in faulty or needing to troubleshoot without it, it's worth grabbing a non-F variant.
If you care about upgrading your CPU in the future while still on the LGA 1700 platform — like to a 14700K — then you should go with DDR5. 14th gen intel benefits from a 7% gain in average fps and a 10% improvement for 1% lows when running on DDR5 over DDR4. Several B760 boards ranging from €150 to €180 give you the same practical connectivity on a DDR5 platform, saving you enough money to afford a 32GB kit of DDR5-6000 CL30 RAM and maybe even the non-F CPU skew if you choose toward the lower-end. Lower cost doesn't always mean a worse product — some of it is brand value and niche features.
Also, I noticed that the AXP series isn't that affordable in Italy but you can order the 120mm version from Amazon.de for about €38. Check the CPU cooler height clearance for your case though, because it can be difficult to approximate by eye. Most ATX cases can accommodate the Peerless Assassin so I'm a bit confused why yours doesn't. Can you tell me what the case is?
Edit: Sentence Structure.
2021: Nats
2022: Yay
2023: Leo
2024: T3xture
2025: Jawgemo
I went slightly over budget by £10 but pulled off 3 different builds. You can ignore the third option if you intend to use a cloud service for working on large models.
A Ryzen 5 7600 paired with a 4060ti. You get robust CPU Cooling with a Phantom Spirit Cooler and 32GB of fast DDR5 RAM on an AM5 Motherboard. This gives you future upgradability and a system tuned for 1080p high-refresh gaming (540Hz) all in an mATX package:
A Ryzen 5 5600 paired with a 4070. You get a decent AM4 Motherboard with only 16GB of DDR4 RAM in the same case with the same PSU but with a 4070. You'd have to use the stock cooler unless you want to invest another £20. You sacrifice long-term future upgradability (up until a 5800x3D) for a system tuned for 1440p single-player gaming but perfectly capable with esports titles up to 240Hz:
A Core 5 12600K paired with a 4060ti 16GB. This is a productivity and machine learning build first. Extra e-cores for multithreaded tasks and 16GB of VRAM for larger models and data. Go for this option if, and only if, your models/data will exceed 12GB of VRAM whether that's 3D rendering/animation or model training like with SDXL. The downside is that its compute is choked by low memory bandwidth and this card's value sucks for gaming:
Can you state your budget? Also, your list doesn't include any storage and Nvidia is the better option for any Machine Learning/AI productivity tasks.
For you, Sentinelmain377
Thoughts and Prayers for a swift recovery!
Oh, seems I was wrong about Z790 being DDR5 exclusive. I don’t see why you’d go for a DDR4 version though. Either save money with a cheaper B660 on DDR4 or go for a more premium DDR5 B760/Z790 — if you’re worried about upgrades, the latter option is better because of robust VRMs and higher RAM speeds on DDR5.
The KF models just mean overclocking without an integrated GPU for trouble shooting.
The NZXT C850 is a speculative A on the Cultist Tierlist and is sourced by Seasonic. It’s listed at €104 but is on sale for €86 rn. Reference the PSU Cultist tierlist and forums to sift through all the unknown models.
Your CPU cooler choice makes a lot more sense with limited clearance. If you’re really limited for space then Thermalright also has the AXP lineup which is a great alternative to Noctua’s L9s.
I think it comes down to historically successful EMEA teams having a preference for Controller IGLs: Redgar, Ange1, Boaster, and Boo. This results in a surplus of high impact Initiators (Leo, Shao, Cloud, Chronicle, Riens) and Sentinels (Nats, Suygetsu, Alfajer, Benjyfishy).
Americas is the opposite with IGLs preferring Initiator and Sentinel roles: Shahzam, FNS, Saadhak, Boostio, and JohnQT. Thus the high impact Duelists (Aspas, Zekken, Jawgemo, Keznit) and Controllers (Marved, Pancada, s0m, Demon1, Tenz).
G2 is an EMEA system in Americas. Valyn is the Controller IGL while Leaf is the star Sentinel. Trent and JonahP form a consistent initiator duo and all of that covers for a less than stellar Duelist.
I brought up esports titles because that’s what SuperRoss plays. Extra performance from a stronger GPU is better than Upscaling and Frame Gen with a weaker GPU. AMD generally offers more performance for less money up until the halo products.
Yes. Both the GT710 and RTX 2070 fall into entry tier with further nuance that the former should never be considered and the latter is bad value compared to a 5700XT precisely because of resale value. It’s not an absolute scale dude. There’s nuance between tiers but a simplified grouping is good for newcomers to get a general understanding of their options.
Future proofing isn’t applicable to everyone. Some people buy 4090s thinking they’ll get into 3D modeling and Rendering but end up opening Minecraft RTX every time they boot up their PCs.
I already made my point of power consumption and heat when I mentioned SFFPCs. It’s all a matter of personal preference here as long as your provide enough cooling for your parts.
People ask about upgrading from their 1080ti’s because prices exploded during the shortage and every current gen product from Nvidia costs more but offers less than before. Smaller buses, less memory, less cores (4060 vs 3060), and less value.
Nvidia has superior software on a more advanced node but gives consumers terrible value because of it. They’re the Apple of the industry and will keep shafting us at lower product tiers because their supporters insist that it’s better than investing in slightly inferior competitors that offer similar options at better prices.
For someone who talks about legitimizing cheaper GPUs it baffles my mind that you don’t see how anti-consumer they are.
I’m still praying that Jawgemo joins the G2 roster so that they win every LAN next year.
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Wait, I'm not quite following. Does your €1000 include the monitor or do you already have one? If not, I highly recommend the AOC 24g4X — it's the best-in-class 1080p monitor when you account for high refresh and color gamut. It costs €130 but can go on sale for €105.
The 12600K is a great choice but nets an extra 4 e-cores over the 12400F for an extra €59 when they don't contribute to gaming performance. That's money that could go to your GPU.
Z790 Boards are only DDR5 compatible and generally cost more because of increased PCIe 4.0 lanes. The TUF Z790 is €270 when you could get a sufficient B660 for €90 - €120.
RGB for RAM is purely cosmetic. Prioritize performance — 32GB of 3200 MHz CL16. €14 savings if you forego the RGB.
The Hyper 412r is worse than the Thermalright Assassin X. It's more compact but louder, compensating with a higher RPM and deeper finstack because the fan is smaller.
MGP A850G is a high-end PSU. €140 is quite expensive for an ATX PSU. Are you sure you need 850w and does it have to be fully modular at 80+ Gold? You could allocate anywhere from €40 - €70 from this to your GPU.
The Crucial P3 Plus is a good choice. I don't understand why your secondary drive is a SATA when you could buy another NVMe M.2 drive. The price differential is negligible and reliability is higher with NVMe.
Add up those savings from budgeting your other parts more strictly and you have nearly €320 for your GPU. I'd recommend a RX 6800 which would let you abuse high refresh for even single-player games at 1080p — they're going for about €400 between Amazon de and it.
Here's a compiled list of the parts. There's no case included though.
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/WoozyKoala/saved/#view=PMM7CJ
Edit: The list I linked is to illustrate the best value for performance. It sacrifices RGB aesthetics and add-ons like Wifi and more robust heatsinks. It will crush every 1080p Ultra settings game you throw at it even if it doesn't look pretty. Throw an optional €50 to get a nicer board and RGB RAM.
You can look at local stores but from what I’ve read, Amazon.de and Mindfactory tend to have the cheapest prices. Mindfactory has shipping constraints that would require you to work with a third party mailing service.
Geizhals is the best website to see prices across all of Europe but you’ll have to account for VAT conversion and shipping viability/cost. The cheapest distributors are generally from Germany and the UK but the latter will have customs fee from no longer being part of the EU. Italian VAT is 22% while those German distributors have prices with a 19% VAT. If you use them to compile parts, you’ll have to budget for €975 to account for that differential that will only show up at checkout.
I recommend starting with Geizhals and then going through Amazon.it and .de to get an idea of what you’re working with. Do you already have a monitor or do you need to buy one as well? What about other peripherals?
If not, you’re firmly in 1080p territory with your budget. I’m going to reply to this commend with a list of some parts that would likely suit your build.
Oh wow, do you have any components so far or are you building a PC from fresh?
GPUs don’t have any compatibility limitations. They operate via the PCIe slot on your motherboard which is standard across all platforms. Think of it as a separate module that you slot into a universal port.
If you don’t mind me asking, what’s your budget and what region are you purchasing from? US pricing is extremely competitive but other regions tend to have a bias towards certain brands due to supply constraints. PCPartPicker is a great resource for compiling your parts but it’s always good to consider the secondhand market and asking around forums for a second opinion. Make sure to change the location to your own when you use it for accurate price listings.
It’s recommended that your GPU take up 30-40% of your budget but it really depends on how constrained it is. You also have to consider peripherals (monitor, mouse, keyboard, headset/mic). I don’t mind giving you a helping hand if you have any other questions since this is one of my hobbies. Feel free to ask!
Edit: Sales like the one I posted don’t often last long so make sure to keep an eye out. Although… it’s technically possible that the seller wasn’t legit. Second-hand online distributors (drop shippers) will and do scam people — be careful.
850w is the minimum requirement of a 6950xt and it’s recommended you undervolt it anyway. You pulled out one of the hottest CPUs on the market as if it proves me wrong when the majority of people would be running a 12600K or 5800x3D when it came out. Nobody would buy one now unless it’s from the used market and they certainly wouldn’t pair it with a 13900K if they were doing that.
Your point about VRAM is obvious but 12GB > 8GB when the price is the same. Some games deal with a lack of VRAM by crapping out your textures, stuttering, or just straight up crashing — It doesn’t matter until it suddenly does. Games like Hogwarts Legacy already break the 8GB buffer at 1080p. I brought up the 3070 because its baseline performance enables it to be capable of more in such titles but its VRAM literally chokes it.
Edit: I brought up electricity prices because it’s actual point of consideration in countries like Germany during their energy crisis. While the USA averages 12¢ per kWH, Germany hit 40¢ in 2022 and averaged ~25¢ in 2023 — only dropping to 17.6¢ this year. That really adds up if the GPU that’s more expensive upfront is nearly twice as efficient in the long term. Most people building that year in Germany all went Nvidia.
Another comment did pretty well to address your misgivings about AMD offerings but I want to address two major misconceptions you have.
“DLSS,” which I’m assuming you’re referring to the Frame Gen and not upscaling component, is not added performance. It inserts AI generated frames between real ones to increase perceived smoothness but doesn’t give you a more responsive game. There’s a latency increase as well, making it pointless for esports titles. AMD’s FSR 3.1 while inferior is still competitive and is open source. At the same time, you’re suggesting that a software fix for worse performance is better than just getting more upfront performance which is kinda weird since not every game implements it and its uplift can be unreliable depending on the game.
The 4060 falls squarely into budget territory.
You’ve suggested that he jump from a budget value GPU to a High End one. I agree that the 4060 isn’t worth getting but suggesting a card that is probably way outside the guy’s budget instead of an AMD or Intel offering (6700/6750XT or A770) is weird. It breaks the first rule of building PCs which is to stay in the budget.
Granted, an A770 is more prone to driver issues and worse performance on older games and a 6700XT runs a bit hotter. 8/10 informed builders would still recommend the 6700XT in this guy’s case unless it’s clarified that he needs CUDA though. It might run 100W more than a 4060 but you can literally power it with a 600W PSU as long as your CPU isn’t an overclocked 14900K. It’s disingenuous to laud lower power draw and heat at this tier unless you’re building a sffpc or your electricity bill has one of the highest rates in the world.
OP’s flag is Italian and their average electricity prices are 17.5¢ per kWh. If he averages 4 hours gaming every day, that’s only an extra $25 per year with the 100W increased power draw. That’s for a gpu with 15-20% more performance and 4GB more VRAM at the same base price. If OP’s electricity is even cheaper then all the more reason to go AMD.
Nvidia is really only good “value” if you absolutely need CUDA or Tensor cores for productivity. Their market strategy is to upsell you to more premium, poor value products by gimping their lower tier segments. Sure they have the best consumer GPU on the market but it costs nearly double its AMD competitor for 20% more performance ($900 vs $1750). RT is another story with a 60-70% uplift but it’s still rather niche right now — of course this is at the expense of driver overhead with CPU bound games where AMD can pull out more frames in titles like Microsoft Flight Sim or anything esports.
At anything below a 4080 ($900), AMD has better value options if you’re strictly gaming.
Make her dog the signature, buff its health and have it refresh. Gives her a unique spot among the initiators as the only one with a rechargeable drone. She’d have to buy both flashes in return for more hard info and fake potential.
I propose Jawgemo. He’s a star fragger suited to the current meta and is familiar with highly coordinated team structures.
This is a weird take.
Jawgemo has the best Neon and Raze full stop. His Jett is unproven but looked world class. He’s also shown similar proficiency in Iso and Reyna. Yoru is the only Duelist where I’d rank Oxy at the top.
Jawgemo is at minimum comparable to Aspas but never got that recognition because he was overshadowed by Demon1 during EG’s run. Let’s put it this way: if G2 had Jawgemo instead of Icy, they would have won Shanghai.
It honestly comes down to how much electricity costs in your country. AMD isn’t really much hotter than Nvidia at the lower tiers. You can run a 6950xt (Their hottest card even considering current Gen) on an 850w PSU and everything below with a 750w. Overheating comes down to how well your cooling setup — case and fan orientation — is constructed.
A 4070 is at least an extra $200 on top of a 4060. That not just squeezing out a little more when this guy is considering a budget GPU. Also, the 3070 is heavily choked by VRAM and it doesn’t make sense to discount a 6700XT at that price range.
I don’t know whether your recommendations are because the market is skewed in your region but they’re pretty bad value.
XFX has an RX 6800 for $268 USD off Amazon right now. It has 40% more performance and double the VRAM over the 4060 at the same price of a 3060. Price might vary depending on region but you should definitely jump on this. No better option.
I can see them picking up Brawk or Verno since only 1 could ascend. N4rrate would be great too if KC rebuild.
Jawgemo is not just a Raze/Smokes flex.
He’s excels as a hard-entry like Aspas and Zekken and it doesn’t quite make sense to swap him with Demon1 on certain maps since the NRG system isn’t like old EG’s.
I also think swapping roles between 3 players to fill recon on certain maps is way too messy. It’s better for NRG to pick up a dedicated Recon player like Verno/N4rrate and shift s0m into the EG Jawgemo role — shuffling with Demon1 depending on the map.
TH and GenG are comparable in firepower. Maybe TH seems stronger since 4/5 are so consistent (because Boo doesn’t get his) but the overall power level is pretty close. Also, Wo0t’s Shanghai stats aren’t representative of how he’ll look on the Flex role since he won’t be the one getting set up.
I’d argue that the LOUD and Sen rosters are potentially in the same bracket if they can get back into form.
Cauanzin, Less, Pancada, and Saadhak make up an insane core when it comes to consistent firepower and calling. Tuyz on duelist is the only question. I really wanna see them run the FPX triple smokes and absolutely crush everyone at champs.
Sentinels matches 1:1 with GenG in terms of firepower distribution across roles. I’m just praying that Zellsis and Sacy level up their consistency or Verno might just be the future though.
I disagree. PRX’s no recon style is clearly holding them back against more disciplined teams. Not a single players on PRX plays Sova/Fade reliably and you’re better off getting a Stax or Invy.
Klaus is LATAM FNS but without a title or the master class igling. He’s extremely inconsistent but is the face of KRU after Keznit so he’ll never get benched.
EMEA: Full TH roster
Americas: So many options
Pacific: GenG -Lakia +Invy
How do you rank the Americas going into Split 2?
1-9. Everyone Except
Things to note:
Roster Changes:
LOUD - Tuyz | Cauanzin | Saadhak | Less | Pancada
NRG - Victor | Crashies | Ethan | s0m | FNS
Reasons why I struggle to rate any team:
100T | Weak map pool
G2 | Inconsistent firepower
Sen | Choking leads
Lev | Bad form and postplants
C9 | Only mud
EG | Poor midrounding after anti-strat countered
KRU | Klaus
Large Tier Gap
Minor Gap
Minor Gap
Minor Gap
Leo news + KC having time to cook is why KC edges them out. I’m also not sure how getting rid of their coach would help NAVI out.
G2 spank TH on Bind — TH adapt and surpass them.
G2 spank TH on Lotus — TH adapt and surpass them.
G2 expose TH choke on Ascent — TH adapt and stop choking.
Now TH is ready to upset GenG.
You’re welcome TH
G2 switch back to Harbor on Icebox to secure the 2-0 only for TH to pull off the reverse sweep.
Americas was never the strongest region
Not a surprising response from number1_ToeMuncher
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