The match against VK I think showed up unprepared they were against the team. VK outplayed them at every scenario, and Acend got lucky with the replay handicap.
Acend played insane the rest of the event, not just cNed. All 5 were playing well. Before champs, it was cNed who was consistent, zeek was somewhat consistent every few games, and the rest were there just to go along on the journey. It's why I didn't think they'd be all that special after champs. With bonecold being dropped, the team will get worse than what it is. Zeek not there, bonecold dropped. Team looks to be back to top10eu, but not top3.

I thought more people would see the champs run as a fluke considering the previous events it was cned and friends, with the 4 members being inconsistent in performances, until champs.

Not impactful on duellist at all. He's a good skye, and pretty consistent. However he isn't the most consistent on duellists.

Probably because it isn't TSM, 100t, Sen, VK, or G2.

Any of those, and the forums are a mess for the next 24hours.

aaah alright. ty for informing me.

ngl, I still rate shahzam as an igl over boaster despite hating the guys personality. The guy igl'd, was the coach, and Jett before Tenz. After Jett he became a consistant player despite everything.

Boaster might be an igl, however his mechanics lack compared to other igls on teh same level.

Despite how likeable Boaster is. His performance this event was shocking, even for him.

Braveaf wasn't able to attend because fnatic suspended him while they investigate the shit between him and a ukr girl.

derke is just unfortunate

He's a good player, but idk how much impact the situation will have on his career. he came out and said he was misinformed about the situation happening with RUS/UKR at the time, so idk.

thought it was because the clown was chatting shit to a Ukrainian girl the day after the fighting started.

three members of the team not knowing what to do now that derke can't drop 30 a map.

nah man. It's obviously because ddk isn't experienced enough with casting, and sean isn't respected enough for his views /s

That's true.

I always saw small regions as underdeveloped in the scene. Like KR and SEA were small regions in Cs, or siege. Until they became more known, and had some achievments behind their region. Brazil was like that for the first few years in siege. Was considered a minor region until they caught up with EU/NA.

I'm just glad SEA have shown they are on the same level as EU and NA. So many good storylines are being made by this. Been getting bored of the whole EU/NA> other regions. A competitive game on an international level is far more enjoyable, than having csgo2.0

Facts can be an excuse though.

Fact - fnatic had 2 subs
Fact - fnatic lost
fact - NIP were the better team

excuse - fnatic lost because they had subs

Did the subs impact the end result, we dont know. Was it the subs fault they lost, no shot. NIP just performed extremely well. Xand and bnj were on point across the 2 maps. Fnatic were just lost the whole time, and were missing their shots.

It's about giving credit where credit is due. NIP deserved the win, downplaying it just makes everyone look bad. It's the same shit Na did last year when victor had covid.

I thought minor region was more based off history in genres esport. Mainly as Japan is classed as a minor region, yet has one of the strongest viewer bases.

Well that's how I saw it. idk if there's a distinct definition of what's reffered to as a minor region.

His skye used to be fantastic. His best performances I can remember, has been him on skye last year. Given that was before her flash nerfs.

Just him going from Kayo, to Raze, to Sage, to Sova. Just after the skye nerf, his consistency has fallen. idk if it's him being thrown around different agents, or just general drop in form. Just the only notion of what we can assume, is agent pool.

Jamppi has looked fantastic after he was taken off 100% Jett. Since going across to flex, the dudes consistency has risen.

Think it's taking him off Skye which set himself apart from other players, and making him flex across 6 agents in 15games.

next excuse is yey broke his back from the last 6 months.

val is too early in regards to that. Faker spent years becoming the face through events, same as s1mple. s1mple barely used to stream CS, but became the face through years of being the best.
We'd only see someone on their calibre of impact on the game, in a few years time. Until then we're stuck with the face being the most popular, which is probably tenz atm :/

ngl, I think scream or mixwell is the face in eu. The face overall I'd say is TenZ, or Tarik.

Quite a lot of people forget that the face of something isn't equal to their ingame skill, but popularity of their brand while playing the game. EU players in val dont care about themselves as a brand, as composed to what NA tend to do in game.

I'm not saying they will either. Just saying the chance isn't 0. Nothing in terms of teams has a 0% chance.

idk man. Tenz wont play chamber, shahz wont, dapr isn't an oper.
not 0 chance, just incredibly unlikely.

I dont think his Jett was an issue. At the time he was on her, dude could get a 3k a round get traded and they'd lose the round.

Just think with chamber being released, he can go on Jett and not feel like they have to op. The mai nissue with comparing his Jett with others, is the others are opers. A rifling Jett compared to an OP Jett. Hard to compare stats regarding it. With chamber, we can see more riflers going on Jett. Scream was nuts with knifes, but by far he was best on reyna. his reyna was insane. Throwing him on other agents, I feel is too experimental.
It's like taking soulcas off skye. Soulcas was a good skye towards the end of last year. Putting him on a smoker, when he's their second entry/entry next to scream. Feels like they're just doing what TSM did last year, and swap roles around over and over, but leaving one person on a constant role(nivera and link in this case) TSM at least kept their best mechanical player on his role but swapped everyone else.

His Jett was far from bad. It's just he's limiting her by not being a good oper. His kayo, I feel people are overhyping so much. His stats on him of meh.

He just looks to be in a rough place recently after champs. Him on skye, instead of soulcas is a huge issue tho. Soulcas was a demon on skye, so they put him on omen?

Could be a cultural thing. Well from what i've seen it's just a countries history with that word being used in a racial context.
In Eu, calling someone monkey is like you said. someone just jumping around not thinking about what they're doing.

then wtf do you want us to do xD

all you can do is contact discord supp.

All you can do is contact them and wait. Nothing really else you can do unfortunately.

I like how everyone talks about salary, when he's said on stream multiple times that he loves overwatch and that it's his passion.

Their perception is getting dragged by gamers. In the grand scheme of business, they're still one of the most profitable esports orgs out there.

It's more about what's worth it. Damaging relationships with your main profit sponsors, or getting a win in an event that org themselves dont tend to make a lot of money from?

take logitech for exmaple. Imagine if logitech pay an org 3million dollars a year to sponsor them.
Who would the org focus more on? the team that is mostly a deficit to their profits, or the sponsor that gives them their large profit.

That's the difference in focusing on the sponsors perception of your org, than the gamers.

It's also why 100t are known as the hoodie org. They make so much money from merch sales, that hurting their overall brand is worse than dropping a couple players that didn't get their fair run. it's a shitty situation that caused a lot of us to lose respect for org.

I just dont understand why people always bring sinatra into a team situation, without actually thinking why orgs wont pick him up. Most orgs would love to pick him up. Dudes an insane player. He's just a brand risk for investors. It's not the morality of it, it's the politice surrounding his situation.

Because there's a difference in 16year olds watching someone on twitch, and multimillion dollar brand deals.

Negative public view for an average person just watching someone play, is a lot different from a company paying that person to advertise their product.

my man said TSM were better xD

they got diffed on fracture hard by kanpeki, and diffed on pretty much every scale on icebox.

TSM might have great individual players, but fuck me Akrew outplayed them on both maps. Teamwork was better, individual performance was better.

That's the annoying thing about them tbh.

It's like the yhave a sense of superiority that they're too good to play in other events that aren't VCT. Hell, c9 came off lan, had a short break and went to an event.
TSM played challengers 3 , lost, and didn't do anything but stream and potentially scrim without any actual event time.

Never understood teams that didn't to get as much actual event time as they potentially could.

Akrew just build different tbh.

Wardell on some clown hours on stream ngl.

The way I see the two situation, VK played the "I didn't know card", which could be possible. We dont know if they know or not. I dont believe they didn't know about it. from two previous teams being punished for the cam, I find it ridiculous that they didn't know of it. However can't prove that.

a Coach talking mid match to his team, especially a coach (can't remember if they said it was stunner, or dd8. So assuming dd8 typed), who has experience in other large orgs, where these rules are common. Even if he wasn't a coach during CS, he still worked with management.

Both sides should have been punished. One is easier to prove from riots stand point on the intention, than the other. VK deserved to lose the map/match, and T1 deserved to lose their match.
Just sucks that we dont know how long it's been going on. assuming it's been going on a while, will only the coach get punished, or the players who allowed and benefited off the coach talking mid game?

that was dogshit from Wardell. However TSM was getting large amounts of hate on here during the tech pause before T1 got DQ'd.

I just find it hilarious that when VK used a glitched cam, these forums were calling them cheaters. T1 literally cheat, and people are mad at TSM for crying on twitter.

Consistency on this forum is top tier good shit for content.

T1 coach cheated (typed in all chat by accident apparently saying "help sewers" during a match.
Subroza tweeted about it
T1 got dq'd from the qualifiers
TSM bad guys

Losing RR I think should only be a thing mid game. In agent select, nah. Mid game, RR loss I'm fine with.

Not sure how to do the replying format you did, so I'll go with 1-3

1) - This I dont agree with. If you're going afk, or have to go. Just tell your teammates, or alt f4. That's negligance on the players behalf, not any of the ingame systems.

2) - I do agree that toxic teammates can be a reason to dodge. It's a garbage situation, I'm just not a huge fan of dodging. I do agree that some people have the right to dodge if they want. I personally dont, it tilts me off the face of the earth when I get a game with toxic teammates, however I made the commitment to queue a comp match, and due to my personality I'll do my best to stick through it

3) - If people dodge on purpose after queueing into a match, I do believe they shouldn't be able to abuse it. I'm not against a decrease in penalty, I just think 2-3 times a day is too often.
In my opinion, dodging should result in a 1hour comp suspension, max.
I find it dumb that people get consecutive days because they dodge. An hour should be tops for dodging. In that time you can play an unrated, or deathmatch. Whatever you like. I just dislike a 2-3 time a day free from punishment.
The reason I'm fine with others dodging maps and not myself, is due to how I see things. When I queue into a match I'm commiting to upwards of an hour in the match. If I get a garbage map, that's a risk I took and knew of before I queued.
It's the same shit when I order something new from a restaurant that I've never had. Even if I dont really like it, I'll eat the fucker because I took the risk. It's just what my personality is like. I take the risks of my decision and go with it. Some people are fine with dodging, I personally dont do it, and dont condemn people who do. I just dont think it should go unpunished on a daily reset.

A fix to some of the afk moments, etc. Have a accept like in CS. If my friend queue and I have to answer the door, I can't hit Accept, so it's back to queueing.

tldr with what I'd do - I'd say 1 free dodge a day, then after that 30min comp ban, to 1hour comp ban MAX. Anything high I honestly think is really stupid.

Wasnt one of the reasons VK got to replay the map, was because they said Jhow didn't know it was a bug?
Kinda hard to feign ignorance when you're a coach typing in a match. Sucks T1 got dq'd, as they were looking great. Was looking forward to a Steel revenge tour. Dude diffed Wardell on split by far.

it's just nothing would really change from the current system. IF someone instalocks the character you play, what do you do now? do you fill or dodge?
What would change from now, to then?

1- accidental queue is shit. i've done it before, and I just played the match out. Some people dodge, personally it's just a bit inconvienient.
2 - You can get toxic teammates in unrated, spike rush, etc. dodging because someone is toxic is also subjective to each person. Not saying being toxic is fine. It's just not a reason to dodge.
3 - this take I hate. You queue into ranked knowing that all maps are in the playlist. you're aware of it, and queue knowing it. I despise split and fracture, but if I get it I hope someone else dodges.
We'll always have map dodgers until a map selection is in, like CS.

role queues can be bad. I dont personally know a system that would be great to work with. Cascading I dont think will work. the only difference in what would change compared to now, is player 5 would be made to play smokes majority of the time. In ranked atm it's pretty much 4 people lock who they want and the 5th has a role to choose that's mostly smokes, from my experience.

the vuzy bit, I haven't seen. If you want alink or anything, I'd appreciate it as I'd like to see what a better system could be.

fuck dodging. If you dodge a ranked ban, no comp for the day. Let people dodge unrated, spike rush, etc. HOwever that system wont work as there's things people can't control (network issues, etc)

I dont mind playing smokes, or sentinel. However I mostly play chamber over other agents. However the cascading system will make people dodge way more often. nothing like loading in as player5, and the other 4 dont pick a smoke, and you dont know how to smoke.

From there you'd either get flamed for not being a good smoke, or you dodge because you dont find it fun.

Rather have a role queue than cascading system. Makes more sense.

"If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here."

How do you stop players 1-2 going duelist, then 3 going flex.
Player 4/5 have to go smokes, or sentinel.

It's a system that works in League/dota. In val, it wont work. Rather a role queue or a team browser similar to overwatch would be prefered than this. Cascading is a bandaid that will most likely increase dodging when someone loads as player5, and sees everyone else pick shit other than smokes.

Been so long since I've seen TSM play, that the viewers still surprise me LUL

.691 400dpi

Actually had fun having a discussion with you ngl

With shroud, ye fair enough. Not much else we can talk about regarding him tbh

With NA, there will always be people who swapped over who could have had a decent future on CS. A few players never hit their potential on the game (s0m, wardell, TenZ ironically, SicK). They're all young enough, or were young enough that we never saw their peak in CS. It's a shame we most likely never will.
Everything else you said I agree with.

With the "kid" viewership, it's the same CS had during 1.6, or even GO days. Majoirty of CS fans towards the end of 1.6, and start of GO. Were all my age. I'm currently 25, and was 16 when csgo first came out, and all the fans were either the old CSS, or 1.6 fans. The new wave of fans were my age. It's just how things go. New generations come join the viewership, and grow with the game. Nothing changed from the start of val, from the start of league, or csgo.
Only difference between CS and Val, is Val seems more approachable by actual kids, where as CS was always targeted at teens.
the reason I'm more hopeful with Val than Fortnite, or other trend games (amoungus, fallguys, etc). Is primarily because of the company behind it. Riot have kept league as a trending game for the greater part of a decade. I'd be surprised if they can't keep it up. Even with their two new games coming out (mmo, and fighting game).

EG did have a rough past year or so. Especially Cerq. From his original performance, to what we see now. Night and day.
with tariks viewership, it's the same cringe as most other viewers. Not as bad as say shahzams, or TenZ viewers, bnut that's from my experience in seeing them. However that's just how things happen. New environment, new audience, etc. I tend to ignore twitch chat 90% of the time, be it on official streams, or content creators. Rather watch the gameplay which is what I find entertaining.

Just gonna break it up into paragraphs for each paragraph to respond.

1) Shroud was a pub god. the guy in comp was average, but when he went into pub matches, he would make a highlight every match multiple times. However, what people forget. Most pros can do this, but they just wernt as marketed as shroud was back in the glory days of him being posted on the reddit page every day.

I think it was a few weeks ago. Saw a few val players just chilling and going back to cs for a bit, just chilling in fpl and faceit. Could still clearly see how good they were compared to the other people. Again, it's similar to shroud in pubs. They still have the experience of 5/10/15k hours in the game, and it does show.

2) The reason NA cs "died" after val came out, isn't that players swapped. It's that no large org was investing in the scene. People didn't leave the scene because they wernt signed to top tier orgs. They left because valve left them in shambled after covid hit. Orgs pulled out, events stopped, and no money was being pumped around. Then val came along and took what potential prospects the scene had. Which imo were players that cold compete at higher levels (Xeppa, Leaf, s0m, wardell, etc). They were all young enough and huge potential prospects from the scene.
I will agree that the scene isn't dead. It's rebuilding, much like you said. the scene will rebuild it self. It's just at the point if newer players will go to CS to try to make a future, or to valorant.

3) with val being a trend game. I see it started as a trend, but getting more cemented in what it is. Even fortnite right now gets good viewership. Not what it was, but far more stable than other games. Val I can see being on the same track. Getting a table viewership, much like how league does.
Cs is by far a titan in esports with viewership, but other than that. It was never a competing game on twitch for content creators. On youtube, it's a different story. CS is just a really odd game for things such as streaming, etc. This might be because I wasn't there in it's peak for content creation. Just the past couple years I've been watching cs streams. It's always low until a large streamer carries the catagory, be it gAuLeS, s1mple, etc.

4) Tarik, I watch him here and there just because I find him funny. I tend to watch streams with the chat sidebarred so I dont see the random shit. him on val, or on cs. I feel he can compete on either. Dude was nuts on CS (unfortunate last few months on EG), and is by far insane on val(in terms of ranked, so hard to gauge where he is at). I'm not sure if he'll go back to competing. if he does, idm which game. Just thought he was insane.

5) I wish they added more mechanics. sitting in my ranked lobbies, I see people who are imm2/3 with god awful movement, but decent aim.
Just wish bhopping was a thing and counter strafing. I'd love more mechanics that involve jumping. Still love playing Cs and just making my way through mirage on mid window to short in the span of a couple jumps. I've failed it thousands of times, and succeeded with it. nothing in val gets that, unless I sit there using raze satchels to get around the map. they're the most fun I've had with movement that i've ever had on val.

I've watched shroud on and off the past few years. Dude was boring as fuck before he came back to mixer. However from what I remember, his opinion on Cs was;

Harder to be good at, more punishable, etc.
Easy for the people who have 15k hours in the game, at a pub level. So outside of comp, you can clearly see the difference in 5k hours, compared to 15. Even the last time he went on CS, he was still stomping people. When old Cs players go back to mess around, they're still stomping people who actively play the game.

that's what my interpretation of his opinions were.

Other than that, I dont really watch him that much. dude has a personality of a plank. Always prefered Tarik over him in terms of gameplay and content. Same with s0m, although I only learned of s0m from Val, as I wasn't huge on NA CS, and only followed EU.

randomness, I feel is also highlighted by the boom in Valorant on streaming websites, on social media, and youtube. If CS had the amount of content that content creators are putting out, we'd see the same shit.

I have had more random shit happen in val, than Cs. I wont even deny that. However i've had more jumping awp deaths in Cs than on val. Just I've ran into so many running riflers in val that it gets tilting after awhile. There seems to be such a little punishment for running and gunning. The phantom, I can somewhat get. It has a similar running shooting inaccuracy that cs has with the m4.
I haven't tested the ak and vandal yet. Only did the m4, which was pretty similar.

I know Cs is less random than Val. more methodical than Val. The randomness I feel is just more accessible to see. I will agree that with Val, it is too normalised to run and gun with a vandal, or phantom. It will always be like that until proper punishments for running while shooting are in. It's also annoying that there's next to 0 counterstrafing required in Val. Just let go of your keys for 0.1s and you're sorted.

Just wish Val made counterstrafing and bhopping something, so people have some other mechanics that can futher increase the skill ceiling of the game.

Yeah, this has gone on for so long lol. I always end up making threads far much longer than they need to be xD

Flags look the same to me, but I might be lost as fuck lol

The dumbed down aspects, I dislike, but dont mind. I get frustrated when I die to someone mid jump with an AK, or phantom. It's unfortunate, somewhat tilting. In the end, I've ran into more bullshit on games like cs, where I've been mid jump no scoped from T spawn while I was jumping across a smoked double doors on dust2. Shit happens. In mid to lower elo, the skill ceiling doesn't matter. My issue with the skill ceiling, is at the top level.

You're right with Cs being more punishing. It's why I always enjoyed the comp side of Cs, but never the fpl/pug streams from pro players. Same reason why I couldn't watch shroud that much, until he came back from mixer(before mixer he had the personality of a snail, but great gameplay), and somehow gained a personality because he can just play whatever he wants not.
Watching pubs and playing pubs in a game where you dont 16-3 or 16-8 opponents while dropping 30-40, is honestly a lot more fun. In comp, go for the stomps. I'm more than happy with a 13-0 in an event, compared to a 13-10 or 13-11. That shit wears you down if you're playing consecutive matches in one day.
Pubs, fuck 13-0s. that shit makes me bored out of my mind if every match i'm winning, is a 13-4, 13-5, etc. It's fun in the beginning, but if it lasts weeks. I tend to just get bored and go onto the next subject. It happened to me on console, over and over. Went from CoD, to tlou, to uncharted, to killzone, to gears of war, halo, etc.
It's why I wish I tried to get into the comp side of either of those games, as what drives me is playing against better people and seeing where I could improve from my mistakes.

It's why I enjoy tac fps games after coming to pc. There are people who've spent tens of thousands of hours in the genre, and I find it so much fun to play against better people. Shit drives me to improve, and I love it. playing against people I know I'm better than, shit is just demotivating.

I think with shroud, and s0ms opinion. It's more from a streamer perspective, and playing pubs. From competing in other games, and in sports irl. PUB matches I feel should be more fun, than one way stomps.
For the comp side, I'll still take CS over val. imo CS is a ar better game when it comes to the top percentile of the game scene. Val is just more fun to mess around in.
I do dislike how the dumbed down a lot of aspects compared to CS. However, it is what it is. I enjoy val more right now in terms of playing, than cs.

but yeah, s0m and shroud both know they're better than 99.9% of players in the game, they just said CS was easier, as you can easily outshine good players, due to the skill ceiling. going 12-12 against some fortnite kids in a ranked match, just makes things a bit more interesting. We've also seen in comp, that it's a whole different monster, given performances and how they play.
Ranked I feel is better to play/watch in val than CS. comp is cs over val.

With 5 stacking, I agree. I'd prefer 3 stack, and 2 stack. No soloQ, or a soloQ playlist. The beginning of the act, I had themost fun I've had in over a year. PLayed 3 stack with two friends, for around 7 matches. Then got to d3 and had to duo to imm, which was pretty meh.
Wish I could 3/5 stack again, whilst not spending an hour for 3rr.