I might hop in and out. Probably wont sit through a whole BO3, or a full match. Just feel no connection with the scene in Brazil, or any of the players. Had the same thing on siege, where I just didn't care about the region when it came to games. Had 0 feeling of hype, or excitement when a team played.

Wouldn't mind dipping in and out, checking them out, etc.

Okay, put it this way.

Who got further in their career. A team who didn't make it to champs, the biggest event of the year. Or the team that did?

C9 might still have gotten there a different way, but they're still there. G2 didn't make it.

Pretty much here's a short answer to your question. Were g2 good enough to make champs? No. Is c9 good enough to make champs, yes.

Champs>master>challengers.
C9 made it to a more prestigious event, thus it's a bigger achievement. It's not hard to understand bud.

C9 made it to the biggest event of the year, G2 didnt. They got far in an event that outside of top2 means nothing compared to champs.

Still getting to champs is a bigger achievement than g2s run in berlin.

Ego

Not flashy, somewhat clean. Nothing hugely eyecatching, or distracting. Especially the gold/white/black variant.

Wait, icebox is G2's best map? Thought it was ascent.

Doesn't matter if they didn't have the best competition.
Also Envy beat 100t, in a convincing fashion. Gambit lost against 100t.

so far gambit has lost 1 match, 3 maps in total. Envy haven't' lost a map, and beat the team that beat Gambit. No shot they're the underdogs going into this. They've literally sent home their whole region, who had the previous champions, and arguable the strongest contender for the trophy, given they beat the other finalist in groups.

dw, friend of mine has Envy at a 2.20, whilst Gambit are at 1.60

he swiftly put 150eur on Envy. No clue how Envy is the underdog for him, given they've not lost a map this event, whilst gambit has.

Not really. It would just benefit people with a higher sens.

The dash is the most busted part of her kit. The free escape from any situation. Nerfing that without making Jett garbage tier, is rough. Some people suggested making it so you cant dash with heavy weps (odin, op), which would kill the character pick rate. Some suggested that you hold down the dash for distance, etc.

having it be front facing, is not ideal as a Jett main, be it with rifle or op. However it's the best nerf to her dash without crippling the characters pickrate.

Also a nerf to the knifes woudl be nice. Something like limiting recharge to at a 1 max, so 10 knifes total. Her knifes on eco is a terror to play against, and great to play with. The fact she can get away with so much with an ult, is nuts. Some nerf to the recharge I feel is needed. That is if they're going to mess with the knifes.

He could be. Hopefully he gets more time on it, and become like yay. Yays really picked it upgreat, and has been putting insane numbers down.

Just right now, I feel it was a rush trying to get him ready for Berlin, whilst using the op. His future with it is insane though.

You're saying rifling is overrated. How so? What does recoil have to do with being a rifler?

The skillset regarding riflers, and op users, is quite literally how good they are with it. Asuna is a subpar Jett OP. With a rifler, he's in the top3 of NA. Not everyone can flex riflers and using the OP. It's why in csgo, aswell as valorant. You mostly have an op main, and then 4 riflers. Maybe one of the riflers can flex and op (Nitro, Tenz, Yay etc.)

A rifler is just referencing someones choice of weapons. Asuna is a great rifler, Victor is a great rifler, sinatra is a great rifler. Wardell is a great oper, Shahzam is a great oper, Cned is a great oper. It's just their choice of weapon.
When someone calls someone a rifler, it's because they choose to go with a rifle, over and op.

It's just dash whichever direction she is facing. Instead of directional dashing, you have to look to where you want to dash. Just takes a bit of adapting to get used to it, and it'll be a little bit less forgiving to op with her.

Dont think the language barrier is a huge issue, considering his team consist of multiple people from multiple countries.

The region is the main issue. Just importing players isn't common.

Ex csgo player who played on Complexity in T1. Wasn't the best player, but would be good in val.

Think it's more of not trying to force him on OP Jett. He's by far one of the best riflers in NA right now. Just him on OP feels like wasted potential.

That has to do with what?

G2 poached Koldamenta, who was Acends IGL. That's why he was saying they poached the wrong player.

Also by the time Koldamenta joined, Mixwell played 1 official match as Jett, before he left for a supp role.

So what relevancy does those tweets have to the original claim that G2 didn't poach Cned, because Mixwell wanted Jett?

It's really odd how people take the NA>EU shit so seriously. Like, you mention one bad thing about a region, and they just go after stereotypes about the other region. Honestly not sure where the regional nationalism comes from. Like I couldn't give a fuck if EU was the top of an esport, or the bottom. I watch teams and support the ones I enjoy watching. The whole regional argument, is about as braindead as the console wars argument.

Bro, you forget this guy made a new account just to post this thread. Dudes the kind of guy who makes a throwaway account on Reddit because he's scared his internet points get taken away.

Bro, you forget this guy made a new account just to post this thread. Dudes the kind of guy who makes a throwaway account on Reddit because he's scared his internet points get taken away.

Thing people dont seem to realise. Dental care in the UK is free until around 18 or so. After that it's not crazy expensive either. Veneers can go for like 4k or so.
The US, Veneers can go upwards of 15k. EU gives their citizens accessibility to free or affordable health/dental care. US does the opposite.

That's gum lmfao.

ofc, I agree. Right now it's just the same in the sense of no matter who they play, they'll most likely win. They're by far the most consistent team in the world. They dont have a dynasty yet, as that's most likely a year + of winning large events. Just right now, they're not the most fun team to watch, as we know the outcome.

I just used the other cs teams as comparison, so someone doesn't think it's a general EU vs NA narrative, when it's just down to viewing experience.
It's also why people got bored of watching g2/penta in siege, when they were at their peak.

It's the same as the Astralis era, or fnatic era on cs. Was boring to watch, but fantastic to witness a team so dominant. Was great for the game, but not he best viewing experience because you already know the outcome.

1 round out of like 20. Dudes been cold this whole series so far. Overrated idk, but he is struggling right now to find his impact he usually has.

The reason people who're not in the scene get permission to have a watch party, is to bring people no in the scene into the game. Riot gains little when having someone like avg jonas, as his whole viewerbase is valorant orientated. Dr dis, his could bring in new players. That's the main focus of watch parties.

Teams do have their consistant fanbase. Heretics pre-iceland was a huge Spanish favourite. Now g2 is.
Turkey - bbl still gets around 70-100k viewers every match they play. SMB is a newish team, so new fans are popping up.
Fnatic fans did dwindle. The people who're so outspoken and swap their flairs, just care about the region rivalry.

Bandwagon, is bad in both regions. The amount of Sen fans I saw jump over after the TSM reign was done with. People bandwagon because they dont really care about the teams itself, just the ego behind them winning. Same shit happens in sports themselves. Football/soccer wise, I've seen more people support Manchester united, jump to Manchester city. It just happens because people care more about winning, than supporting.

Every over the top fan is annoying. TSM fans can be, sen fans can, liquid, g2, etc. Just bringing up a persons team without it being relevant to the post, is moronic.

leaf

Dudes still hurt that NUTURN beat sharks.

ouch, that's shitty. Was never a huge fan of the team, respected them for what they did last pl they won, but damn that sours the whole thing.
Hopefully HUNDEN has evidence that can get the players punished. Like, concrete proof that they knew. hopefully action is taken and the players get banned/suspended.

Wait, howcome heroic are scum bags? Assuming due to the coach bug that was used?

I'm not too sure about the drama surrounding specific teams in cs.

Going and looking back at a few posts because i was curious about it.

Prize Pool - 2018
Initial prize pool is $ 2,250,000 USD (approx. € 1,950,734 EUR)
12.5% of sales from Championship Kha'Zix skins & Championship ward skins is added to the prize pool.
Another 12.5% of sales of the aforementioned skins will be shared between all teams at the event.
In the event that a tie cannot be broken between Group Stage teams, prize pool money is averaged.
Approximate final prize pool is $ 6,450,000 USD
$ 6,450,000 US Dollars are spread among the teams as seen below:

Sourch : https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2018_Season_World_Championship

The proceeding years, they didn't add on the sales money. Apparently the in client sales were left behind closed doors, unlike the previous years.

edit:

Prize Pool - 2021
Vietnamese teams will be given compensation, equal to 2.1% of the prize pool, to account for them not being able to attend due to travel restrictions.[3]
Gambit Esports will also be given compensation, equal to 0.6% of the prize pool, as they traveled to Shanghai as a backup team for LCL's Unicorns of Love, in case they wouldn't be able to attend the event.[4]
As a result of these modifications, more than 100% of the prize pool will be paid out this year.
Figures are based on the minimum guaranteed prize pool of $ 2,225,000 USD. A percentage of the revenue from designated in-client sales is yet to be added to this amount.
$ 2,225,000 US Dollars are spread among the teams as seen below:

https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2020_Season_World_Championship

So there is a reason, just unfortunate we dont know the full number, other than the base purse riot gives.

oh yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you. I agree that he was the first to go. Before the iceland quals, it was soulcas who was performing bad, aswell as link. Since iceland, soulcas has been one of their best players, and link has been reliable.

I'm fully agreeing with you, just wanted to add a bit on :)

I feel the general meme trash talk makes it interesting for people watch. Rivalries make it seem like there's more on the line than money/placement. Pride on the line is great for a storyline.
But yeah, each to their own. I'm fine with trash talk, as long as it's not serious. Everyone atm, most likely jokes about it (players, not forums), which I'm a fan of. If one region is adamant they're better than another, that I think is stupid.

Bro, wym. Everyone in the UK has an ego online LUL

Also to everyone else. Regions fight regions is fucking great for storylines. If everyone is respectful all the time, it's boring to watch. Rivalries, bm, ego. All that shit is great to watch

Bro, imagine if there was bbl vs sen/100t. turkish viewers for BBL matches are insane. That ontop of NA viewership, would be nuts.

prizepool is somewhat relevant. Look at dotas prizepool compared to cs. CS has been a top tier esport for 20years.
Valve has shown they put more money into dota, despite CS being the top fps esport in the world.

I proabbly should have added onto my previous message, and Valve put mroe resources into Dota, than csgo. Riot have been increasing prizepools and production a huge amount in the past year. Just compare first strike, to now.
We've only 2 S tier events so far, which are the two masters. both hitting 600k/700k. The production of the two masters, compared to a cs major, are huge differences.

It's just down to which company cares more about which scene. Riot know the impact of esports on league and cs, so they're focusing on that with val. It will only keep growing, while cs will probably stagnate for a bit.

tldr; riot putting more resources to val than valve are to cs. If valve put half the recourses they put in dota, cs would be un touchable. Right now, val can take over cs within 2 years.

The whole argument of co streams makes me laugh. Why are people so proud that valve put 0 effort into cs, but so hateful that RIOT have a smart marketing strategy?

cs is far from dead, but valve are just slowly killing the esports scene. Even prizepools in Val are catching upto CS. Next years champs will be past the mil mark. It took csgo 9 years to hit a 2mil mark with the upcoming stockholm major.
Valve are honestly isolating themselves, with their little marketing. It will honestly take val overtaking cs, for valve to wake up and make big changes.

I dont think it gave them an advantage, but they played around it. Feel they had to change up their whole entire playstyle, because they dont have to play around 70ping anymore.

I used to be around 68-77, and going from that to 7 is a huge change in how I played.

Hopefully they comeback on ascent, and put up a good fight on last map. If not, then they need to adjust more for lower bracket.

Could be nerves, could be they didn't adjust fast enough. We'll never know. Just idk why people say 70ping is an advantage. Shit is dogshit to play with.

Dont forget that kryptix hasn't shown up consistently since iceland quals. He was a good player, but by far fell off the past 4 months.

ofc the team will revolve around him. He's the only consistent standout player. IF roza dropped 30 a game, they'd play around him. Like how 100t plays around asuna.

Bro, Myth is a content creator for tsm and a br player. Not sure if he still plays comp, or retired. However he has 0 say in who joins a val team. His role in the team is a meme coach for content.

the rest of the roster, they have more say. If they dont want him, they dont. However he is current BEST player in the world who isn't active, and signed to a team. TSM not going for him is fair enough. However it's not completely out there, given sinatra was regarded as teh best sova, and one of the most consistent duellist.
Both are what tsm lacks. Thy found a sova in levi, but no consistent duellist other than wardell.

the thing about hazed vs bang. Despite bang being a future prospect, what they need are results now. He could go to the academy team, or to another top team and grow there. With how TSM has slowly been going downhill, they need to get actual stable and consistent players.

Right now their issues are pretty much everyone but wardell. Subroza saved himself the last quals, hazed has been getting nice plays recently, Levi is surprisingly consistant on sova.

What I can see happeneing, is them having levi go back to the academy team, bang benched. Then they pick up sinatra and either a smoker, or a flex.
Right now they swap roles around so often, other than wardell. If they keep roza on one role, then we could see his consistent form come back.

He will be getting a decent salary, but highly doubt he'd be getting his full amount. Wouldn't make sense from a business standpoint.

But yeah, he's stuck in contract hell right now. Unfortunate tbh. Same with nivera.

Bro, all he did was compare him to Mwzera. Mwzera is a standout player in a weaker region. KennyS looks amazing because he's getting away with dumbshit that shouldn't work above Imm.
Nobody is saying he's bad. They're just saying we can't judge how he will be on the game, as all of his games are against diamonds and plats.
He's playing against weaker enemies, so we can't get an accurate gauge on how good he really is.

no no. Hell, never too many hells to say ;)

I said it twice....

dude is a great awper, but never dying is a bit of an overstatement. If/once he is adjusted to val, he'd probably be similar to wardell, bringing op whenever he can, and peeking everything with it.
He will be a top oper if he decides to swap over.

His flicks will stay the same, but he wont be able to get away with half the stuff he gets away with. Was watching him earlier, and he jsut repeeks the same shit, and doesn't get punished for it. dude was against plats and diamonds, and was just vibing. In high imm/rad, he'd get punished for those mistakes.

I think that's his point.

I'd still say he's t1 on a bad day on cs. Unlike val, the top10 isnt all of t1.
Even with his inconsistencies, he's still a top20 awper. Just he isn't good/consistent enough to be at the top, or at competitive form to go against teams like navi, or gambit.

tbh even then, Ethan was in a huge slump, just like nitro. Only player who swapped while not being completely mediocre, was Jamppi. Dude went to ence, did well, then was taken off primary awp for Allu, and then had to rifle. Even then, he was nothing special, but wasnt washed, or in a slump. If not for his ban, he'd probably still be on Ence right now.

Ethan was the top competing person who could stay in t1 out of all that moved tho.