BECAUSE THEY COMPETE IN THIS GAME TO EARN A LIVING.

Why did mwzera stop playing siege and swap?
why did nats leave cs?
why did scream leave cs?
why did every current pro leave the previous game? Because it's not financially stable for them. You need to realise that these people do this for a living.

I get what you're saying. you just need to realise that passion can only get you so far. Why do you think Solo retired. His passion only got him to this point, and he saw it as his time to quit.

It's unfortunate that the smaller regions have to work while playing. However do you think that if they got paid to play, they'd still rely off the money, and that would be their main intention. In the end, everyone is grinding so they can earn a living while playing. PAssion doesn't feed the family. Money does.

Also every member of Sen have a legacy. The first international lan, without losing a map. That in itself is a legacy. Just like Solo had a 107series streak before retiring.

I do agree that it's arrogant that he is thinking of leaving despite his current level of game. I'm also thinking from his viewpoint. He's in his late 20s. his career is on a timeclock atm. The recent major has skyrocketed him to 15k viewers, to 30k. I honestly think he might be thinking of it realistically, than going by passion. Passion can only get you so far. In the end passion doesn't pay bills. It can, but 99% of the time it doesnt.

also ngl, I'd like to see the clip of him talking about it. The context before, or if he was memeing does also matter. IF he was serious, it is arrogant as hell to think about it in the middle of a major. It could also be the grinding constantly for 10 or so years, that takes a toll. SeanGares was good enough to keep competing, but he retired because the constant grind was too much. Same with Pengu in siege. He was burnt out of the game and the grind, so he retired. shahzam has been on the grind for over a decade

I feel players like wardell, who is still young. wont think of that as a reason now. Same with Asuna, or TenZ. They're still young enough where their end is no where in site for them. Shaz is getting up there in age, and it's only a matter of time before he dips off.

Everyone should be thinking of the potential of it though.

Being a pro you have a huge reach to gain new followers/fans. Streaming is a way to cement that into an income after you retire.

Also streaming doesn't mean you're not focusing on being the best. Most players would scrim for 3-5 hours or so, and then the rest of the day they'd play the game. Why would streaming while doing it, harm their career. To me, it's a smart choice to go for. However, it isn't great when they start prioritising the stream, over competing.

imho, if you're a pro player and not trying to think of a failsafe in case your career fails. You're either naive, or overestimating how long you'll be around, and how much money you'll make.

They can invest it. It's the same with professional athletes. They earn huge amounts, and can invest it. how many do end up investing it compared to sitting on it slowly decreasing the amount?

Streaming is another way to invest into the future. Being a pro and streaming is free advertisement. The reach you have is huge at that point. It's also free to stream, as nobody scrims for a whole day. The free time is fine to stream in, which most of the current top teams do.

Well, last time a large org went to india one guy single handedly tainted any change of a large Na org going back there, aswell as killing the cs scene that was slightly developing.

Hecz even said he'd never invest in india again after the forsaken shit, and it's unfortunate.

All I'm trying to say here, is if you're getting paid 30k a month. Someone with talent could be better than you. having better gear, or more money. It doesn't make you a better player. You have a higher chance of improving, but in the end the better player will be better regardless of their equipment.

true. Half the people in the val scene dont even know his role in the ibp scandal.

tbh shroud dipping is the best thing he could ever do. Dude retired early, as he was honestly not that special in CS. He became the msot subscribed streamer, and made a multi million deal to swap for a few months. dude is literally more successful than nearly every pro cs player outside of the game.

Brax couldn't really grind to be the best in cs. Banned from valve, he was handicapped in terms of having a prestigious career.

s0m right now spams streams, because what else should he do? You can only scrim so much throughout the day. Most teams would scrim 3-4 hours, what else do they do in that off time? stream the game? or just play the game anyways and not stream. Both are pretty much the same. At least this way they're building a brand, and practicing the game.

I'm not sure about league. Dont follow it too much, so I can't comment on that. I mainly know cs, val, siege.

OKay, do you think s1mples money will last him forever? Look at any soccer player. They earn millions in their career, and they end up spending it, and have nothing to fall back on.

Building a brand is smart. TenZ has done a fantastic job at it. Pengu on siege did a fantastic job at it. They both did it whilst being the best.

You say only NA players do it? Is scream not building a brand? Are Br players not streming while playing?

mentioning s1mple or zywoo is a mute argument. They're both freaks of nature when it comes to CS. They'll be around for years, and even then. Both have such a huge following from being literally the best players the game has ever seen.

Also look at get right atm. he set the standard for cs for years, and where is he now? He didn't build a brand, and chills with 3k viewers while playing cs.
Tarik doesn't have the legacy get right has, but he gets double, if not triple his viewers, and most likely a more stable income.

you need to realise that building a brand doesn't mean you dont have the competitive edge to be the best. You can only scrim so many hours before it becomes pointless. Just streaming the game being spammed, is still grinding the game. Tenz is the exact example of this. Dude grinds the game, streams here and there. He's one of the most consistant people in the game atm.

We mentioned japan because you were talkign about regions not affording gear.

Every region started off at some point where it wasn't viable to play full time. Even now it's incredibly hard. It's why most people who grind up are around 18 or so, and live at home.
go watch wardells interview where he talked about his relationship with his mom. He spoke about dropping out, and pretty much not having a real realtionship with his mom because of it.
People make sacrifices to try to be the best. It's unfortunate that more orgs aren't going to undeveloped regions. However what reason do that have to do that? There's no sponsors, as there's no viewership.
When mang0 was grinding SSB, he was earning a living off purses, and not an org. That's what it started like when esports was only getting big.

He was popular because he built a brand while grinding. It's one of the biggest mistakes pro players do. They will not stream, just grind the game off stream, and do scrims. Once their career competing is over, they have nothing to fall back on.

Building a brand while grinding to be the best, is the best choice and the main choice a pro player should go.

Right now the best person doing so, is s0m. Asuna started it, other pro players are also doing it. It's a smart safety net.

tbh branding yourself is the best choice to go for. Esports you only have a short career, on average people tend to fall off around 25. you can stay on and try to be the best, but time will get you. Look at Allu, or KennyS. Both used to be insane, and just slowly fell off and off. Allu stuck around far too long, and didn't build a brand for himself streaming. same with KennyS. Didn't steam a lot, so he never had a constant viewership.

Now look at tarik, who streams often. He was the best in cs at one point on NRG, but started making a brand for himself. He has a career streaming, as he most likely wont go pro again.

It's also why a lot of sports stars go into making clothing brands. It's a source on income as they know their time playing is limited.

before sen started winning he was around 600 or so viewers. This was also when tenz was at around the same, while wardell was at the peak.

However he's grown, and his brand has grown. Right now he's one of the highest viewed pro players when it comes to streaming. Just a shame people have forgotten his past, and the shit he got away with.

Also all it takes it to be the best at one point, and you can keep making a living off it.

I also dont think he's the best jett, or sova player. However he did coach, and igl a team to winning the first lan. Even if it was Tenz popping off. Can't take that away from him. Dude is a smart player, and most likely will contain a decent viewership for a few years.
Perfect example of someone who was washed but has a viewership to live off. Hiko back on cs, and jasonR. Both have a decent viewership while streaming, enough to easily make a good living off.

It's like that for the majority of people who aren't signed to a t1 org. Smaller regions are a bit different as esports hasn't taken off there. However that doesn't mean developed regions have an obligation to be top. Someone can play for 15hours a day, and still not be as good as some 15yr old in the slums of china playing on a 7yr old dell xps laptop.

At the end of it, talent and hard work beats out developed environments. It's not as easy to beat them, but it is for sure possible.

People see that as content.
KingGeorge, in rainbow six siege. Dude is garbage at the game, but malds and it becomes content.

Also as much as I dislike shahz, I can't say he isn't good in pugs. Statistically he's good, and has been high radiant since game launch. Even performed at the top level, putting up good results.
We're literally in no place to say if he's bad, or good. He can make a career out of streaming as much as I dislike him. He's getting 10-15k viewers, and as long as you can have a stable 2-3k, you can make a decent living off that. That's enough viewers to get a deal with an org as a content creator, and then you get a salary aswell.

I agree in some regions it's difficult. I'm just saying if someone has the talent and skill, they can beat someone that has the gear. Gear doesn't make the player, skill does.

He'd still have views. Weirdly enough new fans in val actually enjoy him. Idk, I find him cringe and hypocritical from all the shit he did in cs.

Pugs are good enough to make a streaming career. Shroud has the personality of a snail, but was getting 50k before he left for mixer. He never achieved anything huge in CS, other than a DH. However he was a pug god. He had a highlight every match. That's what gets people to play.

Also not many people know his personality from before val. So what they see, is his fake personality that they believe is true.

Better gear can only take you so far though.

If someone is better than you at a game, no amount of gear can make you better. Using gear as an excuse is just stupid.

Sure they can give you an advantage. However at the highest level of competition, it wont make a difference. Unless some dude is playing a crt monitor, I doubt they'd lose because their gear wasn't good enough. If they cna get a stable fps at 60, which pretty much anything can. Then that's enough to grind.

tldr;
Better gear doesn't inherently make you a better player. If someone had talent, they can achieve as much as someone with gear. Talent > gear

inb4 someone brings up VS vs NU. but ye, shahzam will make a career out of streaming. All of his viewers dont know the shit he did in CS.

When I first started playing fps on pc, I was playing siege. Gettign 60fps, had a mouse set at 3200dpi and can't change, and a keyboard that was a membrane. It was dogshit, however it wasn't unplayable. At the time I didn't know what was better, so I could only use that. I still hit the top 10% in the world in terms of rank, due to my own grind.

ofc anything can influence it. However someone saying someone had a better mouse, is a bullshit excuse. Hell, a r6 pro in russia was playing his pro games on a dinning chair. There was a interview with a french player who was sitting on the floor with his monitor on a small table in his dorms. He still qualified for pro league, the russian pro still played in pro league to a high level.

Hardware once able to get a stable 60fps, is fine to play. If you want more, then ofc it's an advantage. however someone with 60hz monitor can still beat someone on a 240.

Gear doesn't mean better.

As long as you can get 144fps, you're gucci. A mouse, any mouse with a half decent sensor can work.

Gear can only get you so far, and once you have a stable fps source, you've reached the point where the difference is minuscule and more about skill

You're saying EU doesn't hate other countries that are developed?. Dude, Eu hates itself. British hate french and german. Nordics argue against eachother. This whole region is a clusterfuck of hating eachother. It has nothing to do with being more developed than another country. Online everyone just shit talks other countries. NA shit talks british teeth, UK shit talks US healthcare, or school shootings. France tries to shit talk UK food, we shit talk their history of surrendering, etc. PEople use what they can to shit talk other countries. It just happens that BRazil is known to other countries for having favelas and high crime rates. So we go for that.

oh for sure. Just the time the games are on is also a factor in viewership, even if it's not a lot. Think masters 1 got like 40k or 50k, and challangers was like 25 or so in sk. I enjoyed watching them, but you're right. The game isn't that popular esports wise.

was just saying the time is always a factor is why viewership isn't the best.

Fnatic lost most of their fanbase when people thought they fell off. It's also like 4am in SK atm.

I'm more surprised the the VK Acend match got as low viewership as it did. I was expecting that to get around the c9 match viewership, given the Br community goes nuts for esports games.

bro, you can literally add a plane facing above, adn it negates that bug. That bug is caused by a plane mesh being placed facing down, instead of a box mesh, or two plane meshes.

Like, literally adding a plane facing upwards, will fix the issue.

The pause was most likely to decide if they penalise the team, or repaly round. It happened in a sea match before. Think it was alter ego, where a sova drone went too high. Match was in a tech for 10-15mins to decide if it had that large of an impact in the round to result in a sanction, or if it was just a play on type of usage.

Jett jumped onto C sitebox spamming crouch. According to rito, it's an exploit they listed on a bug list that they gave to every team.

Tech was most likely to decide to penalise the team, or just replay the round.

It broke momentum, and potentially cost furia the match.

I guess another way you could work on it, by giving maps played a multiplyer.

So each map played, lowers the multiplyer. So 2 maps is a x1 multiplyer, so 13 rounds won = 13 points. the third map being played, could be a .75 multiplyer.

so 10 rounds would equal 7.5points, instead of 10, etc. or even decrease the multiplier even more. Just a way so playing a third map would always lead to less points than only playing 2.

Not slipping riots mind. Slipping the players mind.

Hell, I even do the jump everyday when I play on haven. I do however think riot should remove it from the exploit list. I've done exploits in matches on other games before, as it's normal to do on a day to day basis, and you sometimes forget you can't do it in official matches.

I just dont think there's any ulterior motives by Riot to do the tech pause, like others think. I just think they were discussing what route to take on the jump.

It's a shitty situation tbh. Shouldn't have been a tech pause as like even the sen players said, aswell as countless others. It's a normal part of the game.

I think it's to even it out, for if a team goes 13-0 121-13 13-0 in a bo3. They'd be rated higher than teams who won 2-0 without losing a map.

Not perfect, but I guess it puts everyone on even ground.

I think it's because he doesn't have a calculation to give teams going for 3 maps a negative rating compared to teams who won 2 straight maps.
A team could win 13-0 11-13 13-0, and he'd have 37 rounds won 13 rounds lost. Would still have lost a map, but would statistically be better than liquid, or vikings.

It is a flawed study tbh. I guess It's just a way to even it out, so people getting 2-0 get the advantage of the extra rounds.

I doubt it was decided on the spot. It could have slipped their mind as it's such a common jump, and 100% not an exploit.

I'm mainly going off what I heard said on stream. If it was on the list, then furia could have been DQ'd. I'm assuming it was similar to the cypher cam on breeze, which I think a SEA team used, and it was discovered to be on the exploit list. Team had to forfeit the series they played I believe.

However this jump is far different from that exploit. The jump should honestly be allowed to be used, as it's able to be done by every agent. I also think it's why Sen didn't do the jump, well from my memory while watching I didn't see them do it.

right now everyone can only make assumptions. I personally think it was more of a slip of mind as it's ingrained in pretty much the map since beta. Just surprised riot list it as an exploit to begin with.

I'm assuming it's whether they replay the round or dq the map.

Apparently teams are given a list of "exploits" that are known an banned by riot, before hand. SO i'm assuming it's riot deciding what they should do about it.

The list of exploits, I think it was vansilli in tariks stream who spoke about it.

5/6 CR let me down :(

tbh the fact it's been in beta since doesn't change anything. Before an event teams are given a list of exploits that aren't allowed to be used. The cypher cam on breeze is one of them.
This was confirmed on Tariks stream where Vansilli - caster for val. Confirmed it.

Like, it's a shitty situation. However at least they were made to do a tech pause, than get DQ for knowingly using something that was explicitly told not to.

I'm assuming that's what took so long. either decideing to let them play on, or DQ. Because if they had a list of exploits (riot list. the jump is by far not an exploit), and still did it. That's a more serious issue as it's making a judgement based on the intention behind ignoring the exploit list, or just forgetting.

I think it's mainly down to people underestimating them after their mediocre domestic tournements in the past couple months. The random rough comps they played, had people assuming they'd struggle.

fnatic do still have a lot to work out, given they nearly lost two maps from a comeback from 11-7, which they lost 11-13. then the fracture map at 12-6 which they got taken to overtime.
~
them being a lan team, or c9 having lan jitters. Dont think it was either. There were times both teams looked rough, and times where both teams looked great.

Unless his performance dips to a bad level, I'm sure other teams in eu would pick him up. Even if it's not a top tier team, he can still make a good career in cs if he leaves liquid.

I was just saying that the viewership of the major isn't the reason he's staying, or not switching. His teams qualifications to events and his form still being good enough to compete, is why he wont switch.

Not even viewership.

His performance plus liquid qualifying for events is more than enough incentive to stay.

He has a higher chance of switching due to form dropping, than csgo dying.

To a competitive player a lower tier LAN means less than what champs is. Go into any of their streams and ask if qualifying champs is more important than winning iceland.

Look at it with league. Do you think a team is happy they hit semi in their regional torny, instead of making worlds? Even if you lose in groups, that event is more prestigious, and a bigger achievement than the previous events.

you also seem to forget that prize pools from events are a nice bonus, but not the main money maker from pro players. Sponsors and wages are their main brunt of money they earn.

what would you think would mean more to a runner. Coming third in nationals, not qualifying. Or qualifying for olympics just to come last? Olympics for sure. It's the biggest event for the sport, aswell as ethe most prestigious. No matter his placement, his can put on his CV that he qualified for the largest event in the sport.

That's why going to the biggest event is a bigger achievment than getting to semis. Sure g2 made more money. However do you really think they'd rather hit semis, not qual for champs. Or not make it to semis and go to champs? I can nearly promise you that they'd rather go to champs, than get the chump change they got.

Also when I reference chump change. Each of these players are most likely getting paid 10k or above. Their prizepool was 85k, with that being split with 7 people, not evenly, but still split. It's why prizepools aren't the main money maker, over just wanting to win.

I might hop in and out. Probably wont sit through a whole BO3, or a full match. Just feel no connection with the scene in Brazil, or any of the players. Had the same thing on siege, where I just didn't care about the region when it came to games. Had 0 feeling of hype, or excitement when a team played.

Wouldn't mind dipping in and out, checking them out, etc.

Okay, put it this way.

Who got further in their career. A team who didn't make it to champs, the biggest event of the year. Or the team that did?

C9 might still have gotten there a different way, but they're still there. G2 didn't make it.

Pretty much here's a short answer to your question. Were g2 good enough to make champs? No. Is c9 good enough to make champs, yes.

Champs>master>challengers.
C9 made it to a more prestigious event, thus it's a bigger achievement. It's not hard to understand bud.

C9 made it to the biggest event of the year, G2 didnt. They got far in an event that outside of top2 means nothing compared to champs.

Still getting to champs is a bigger achievement than g2s run in berlin.

Ego

Not flashy, somewhat clean. Nothing hugely eyecatching, or distracting. Especially the gold/white/black variant.

Wait, icebox is G2's best map? Thought it was ascent.

Doesn't matter if they didn't have the best competition.
Also Envy beat 100t, in a convincing fashion. Gambit lost against 100t.

so far gambit has lost 1 match, 3 maps in total. Envy haven't' lost a map, and beat the team that beat Gambit. No shot they're the underdogs going into this. They've literally sent home their whole region, who had the previous champions, and arguable the strongest contender for the trophy, given they beat the other finalist in groups.

dw, friend of mine has Envy at a 2.20, whilst Gambit are at 1.60

he swiftly put 150eur on Envy. No clue how Envy is the underdog for him, given they've not lost a map this event, whilst gambit has.

Not really. It would just benefit people with a higher sens.

The dash is the most busted part of her kit. The free escape from any situation. Nerfing that without making Jett garbage tier, is rough. Some people suggested making it so you cant dash with heavy weps (odin, op), which would kill the character pick rate. Some suggested that you hold down the dash for distance, etc.

having it be front facing, is not ideal as a Jett main, be it with rifle or op. However it's the best nerf to her dash without crippling the characters pickrate.

Also a nerf to the knifes woudl be nice. Something like limiting recharge to at a 1 max, so 10 knifes total. Her knifes on eco is a terror to play against, and great to play with. The fact she can get away with so much with an ult, is nuts. Some nerf to the recharge I feel is needed. That is if they're going to mess with the knifes.

He could be. Hopefully he gets more time on it, and become like yay. Yays really picked it upgreat, and has been putting insane numbers down.

Just right now, I feel it was a rush trying to get him ready for Berlin, whilst using the op. His future with it is insane though.

You're saying rifling is overrated. How so? What does recoil have to do with being a rifler?

The skillset regarding riflers, and op users, is quite literally how good they are with it. Asuna is a subpar Jett OP. With a rifler, he's in the top3 of NA. Not everyone can flex riflers and using the OP. It's why in csgo, aswell as valorant. You mostly have an op main, and then 4 riflers. Maybe one of the riflers can flex and op (Nitro, Tenz, Yay etc.)

A rifler is just referencing someones choice of weapons. Asuna is a great rifler, Victor is a great rifler, sinatra is a great rifler. Wardell is a great oper, Shahzam is a great oper, Cned is a great oper. It's just their choice of weapon.
When someone calls someone a rifler, it's because they choose to go with a rifle, over and op.

It's just dash whichever direction she is facing. Instead of directional dashing, you have to look to where you want to dash. Just takes a bit of adapting to get used to it, and it'll be a little bit less forgiving to op with her.

Dont think the language barrier is a huge issue, considering his team consist of multiple people from multiple countries.

The region is the main issue. Just importing players isn't common.