1 round out of like 20. Dudes been cold this whole series so far. Overrated idk, but he is struggling right now to find his impact he usually has.

The reason people who're not in the scene get permission to have a watch party, is to bring people no in the scene into the game. Riot gains little when having someone like avg jonas, as his whole viewerbase is valorant orientated. Dr dis, his could bring in new players. That's the main focus of watch parties.

Teams do have their consistant fanbase. Heretics pre-iceland was a huge Spanish favourite. Now g2 is.
Turkey - bbl still gets around 70-100k viewers every match they play. SMB is a newish team, so new fans are popping up.
Fnatic fans did dwindle. The people who're so outspoken and swap their flairs, just care about the region rivalry.

Bandwagon, is bad in both regions. The amount of Sen fans I saw jump over after the TSM reign was done with. People bandwagon because they dont really care about the teams itself, just the ego behind them winning. Same shit happens in sports themselves. Football/soccer wise, I've seen more people support Manchester united, jump to Manchester city. It just happens because people care more about winning, than supporting.

Every over the top fan is annoying. TSM fans can be, sen fans can, liquid, g2, etc. Just bringing up a persons team without it being relevant to the post, is moronic.

leaf

Dudes still hurt that NUTURN beat sharks.

ouch, that's shitty. Was never a huge fan of the team, respected them for what they did last pl they won, but damn that sours the whole thing.
Hopefully HUNDEN has evidence that can get the players punished. Like, concrete proof that they knew. hopefully action is taken and the players get banned/suspended.

Wait, howcome heroic are scum bags? Assuming due to the coach bug that was used?

I'm not too sure about the drama surrounding specific teams in cs.

Going and looking back at a few posts because i was curious about it.

Prize Pool - 2018
Initial prize pool is $ 2,250,000 USD (approx. € 1,950,734 EUR)
12.5% of sales from Championship Kha'Zix skins & Championship ward skins is added to the prize pool.
Another 12.5% of sales of the aforementioned skins will be shared between all teams at the event.
In the event that a tie cannot be broken between Group Stage teams, prize pool money is averaged.
Approximate final prize pool is $ 6,450,000 USD
$ 6,450,000 US Dollars are spread among the teams as seen below:

Sourch : https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2018_Season_World_Championship

The proceeding years, they didn't add on the sales money. Apparently the in client sales were left behind closed doors, unlike the previous years.

edit:

Prize Pool - 2021
Vietnamese teams will be given compensation, equal to 2.1% of the prize pool, to account for them not being able to attend due to travel restrictions.[3]
Gambit Esports will also be given compensation, equal to 0.6% of the prize pool, as they traveled to Shanghai as a backup team for LCL's Unicorns of Love, in case they wouldn't be able to attend the event.[4]
As a result of these modifications, more than 100% of the prize pool will be paid out this year.
Figures are based on the minimum guaranteed prize pool of $ 2,225,000 USD. A percentage of the revenue from designated in-client sales is yet to be added to this amount.
$ 2,225,000 US Dollars are spread among the teams as seen below:

https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2020_Season_World_Championship

So there is a reason, just unfortunate we dont know the full number, other than the base purse riot gives.

oh yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you. I agree that he was the first to go. Before the iceland quals, it was soulcas who was performing bad, aswell as link. Since iceland, soulcas has been one of their best players, and link has been reliable.

I'm fully agreeing with you, just wanted to add a bit on :)

I feel the general meme trash talk makes it interesting for people watch. Rivalries make it seem like there's more on the line than money/placement. Pride on the line is great for a storyline.
But yeah, each to their own. I'm fine with trash talk, as long as it's not serious. Everyone atm, most likely jokes about it (players, not forums), which I'm a fan of. If one region is adamant they're better than another, that I think is stupid.

Bro, wym. Everyone in the UK has an ego online LUL

Also to everyone else. Regions fight regions is fucking great for storylines. If everyone is respectful all the time, it's boring to watch. Rivalries, bm, ego. All that shit is great to watch

Bro, imagine if there was bbl vs sen/100t. turkish viewers for BBL matches are insane. That ontop of NA viewership, would be nuts.

prizepool is somewhat relevant. Look at dotas prizepool compared to cs. CS has been a top tier esport for 20years.
Valve has shown they put more money into dota, despite CS being the top fps esport in the world.

I proabbly should have added onto my previous message, and Valve put mroe resources into Dota, than csgo. Riot have been increasing prizepools and production a huge amount in the past year. Just compare first strike, to now.
We've only 2 S tier events so far, which are the two masters. both hitting 600k/700k. The production of the two masters, compared to a cs major, are huge differences.

It's just down to which company cares more about which scene. Riot know the impact of esports on league and cs, so they're focusing on that with val. It will only keep growing, while cs will probably stagnate for a bit.

tldr; riot putting more resources to val than valve are to cs. If valve put half the recourses they put in dota, cs would be un touchable. Right now, val can take over cs within 2 years.

The whole argument of co streams makes me laugh. Why are people so proud that valve put 0 effort into cs, but so hateful that RIOT have a smart marketing strategy?

cs is far from dead, but valve are just slowly killing the esports scene. Even prizepools in Val are catching upto CS. Next years champs will be past the mil mark. It took csgo 9 years to hit a 2mil mark with the upcoming stockholm major.
Valve are honestly isolating themselves, with their little marketing. It will honestly take val overtaking cs, for valve to wake up and make big changes.

I dont think it gave them an advantage, but they played around it. Feel they had to change up their whole entire playstyle, because they dont have to play around 70ping anymore.

I used to be around 68-77, and going from that to 7 is a huge change in how I played.

Hopefully they comeback on ascent, and put up a good fight on last map. If not, then they need to adjust more for lower bracket.

Could be nerves, could be they didn't adjust fast enough. We'll never know. Just idk why people say 70ping is an advantage. Shit is dogshit to play with.

Dont forget that kryptix hasn't shown up consistently since iceland quals. He was a good player, but by far fell off the past 4 months.

ofc the team will revolve around him. He's the only consistent standout player. IF roza dropped 30 a game, they'd play around him. Like how 100t plays around asuna.

Bro, Myth is a content creator for tsm and a br player. Not sure if he still plays comp, or retired. However he has 0 say in who joins a val team. His role in the team is a meme coach for content.

the rest of the roster, they have more say. If they dont want him, they dont. However he is current BEST player in the world who isn't active, and signed to a team. TSM not going for him is fair enough. However it's not completely out there, given sinatra was regarded as teh best sova, and one of the most consistent duellist.
Both are what tsm lacks. Thy found a sova in levi, but no consistent duellist other than wardell.

the thing about hazed vs bang. Despite bang being a future prospect, what they need are results now. He could go to the academy team, or to another top team and grow there. With how TSM has slowly been going downhill, they need to get actual stable and consistent players.

Right now their issues are pretty much everyone but wardell. Subroza saved himself the last quals, hazed has been getting nice plays recently, Levi is surprisingly consistant on sova.

What I can see happeneing, is them having levi go back to the academy team, bang benched. Then they pick up sinatra and either a smoker, or a flex.
Right now they swap roles around so often, other than wardell. If they keep roza on one role, then we could see his consistent form come back.

He will be getting a decent salary, but highly doubt he'd be getting his full amount. Wouldn't make sense from a business standpoint.

But yeah, he's stuck in contract hell right now. Unfortunate tbh. Same with nivera.

Bro, all he did was compare him to Mwzera. Mwzera is a standout player in a weaker region. KennyS looks amazing because he's getting away with dumbshit that shouldn't work above Imm.
Nobody is saying he's bad. They're just saying we can't judge how he will be on the game, as all of his games are against diamonds and plats.
He's playing against weaker enemies, so we can't get an accurate gauge on how good he really is.

no no. Hell, never too many hells to say ;)

I said it twice....

dude is a great awper, but never dying is a bit of an overstatement. If/once he is adjusted to val, he'd probably be similar to wardell, bringing op whenever he can, and peeking everything with it.
He will be a top oper if he decides to swap over.

His flicks will stay the same, but he wont be able to get away with half the stuff he gets away with. Was watching him earlier, and he jsut repeeks the same shit, and doesn't get punished for it. dude was against plats and diamonds, and was just vibing. In high imm/rad, he'd get punished for those mistakes.

I think that's his point.

I'd still say he's t1 on a bad day on cs. Unlike val, the top10 isnt all of t1.
Even with his inconsistencies, he's still a top20 awper. Just he isn't good/consistent enough to be at the top, or at competitive form to go against teams like navi, or gambit.

tbh even then, Ethan was in a huge slump, just like nitro. Only player who swapped while not being completely mediocre, was Jamppi. Dude went to ence, did well, then was taken off primary awp for Allu, and then had to rifle. Even then, he was nothing special, but wasnt washed, or in a slump. If not for his ban, he'd probably still be on Ence right now.

Ethan was the top competing person who could stay in t1 out of all that moved tho.

It's not about your aim getting worse. His point is if youre an above average player in a below average region, you'd shine and look better.

it's the same philosophy of an attractive person looking more attractive when with someone less attractive.

also he didn't mention aim. I might be a bit confused, but unless someone edited a message, or I misread. Who mentioned peoples aim being worse at higher levels, or insinuated it?

past his prime, sure. Scream was also past his prime, having a constant falloff post 2016. Shaz was past his prime, not achieving much on cs. Hell, every cs player that moved, who was in the scene for more than 5 years, were past their prime. Only cs players who swapped are the 17-21yr olds, who haven't reached their prime yet.
Prime means nothing in val, as their prime in CS was different to Val. Hell, scream was dogshit on GL, and was nothing special for a solid 4 years until he retired. Yet currently he's regarded as one of the best riflers in the game right now.

Also KennyS prime was on Titan, where he'd carry every single game. His past few years hold nothing to his titan/envy days. 2014-2015 kennyS was a monster that nobody will ever beat. It's why he's still regarded as the best AWPer in cs history. Even after the awp nerf, and his cooling down. He still competed at t1 level, for 6 years. Post prime competing for 6 years. He'd be fine competing against anyone in this game. If he transitioned, he'd just need to adjust and would 1000% be more consistant that other opers at pro level.

tbh, nothing more tilting that watching a Jett go 5-19 on Haven, right after dropping 20 on omen the match before.

Inconsistencies are dogshit to watch as a viewer. It makes the top tier/level performers, look average.

i'd rather watch two teams playing at their peak, in a neck to neck fight.

ye. idk what people are smoking when they think you have to have 1 duellist and rest utility based. Like shit, sen went flawless on 2 duellist. literally walking through enemies, other than fnatic.
Saying teams will get eaten alive, is actually funny considering that's what eu said before iceland. Well, that turned out well.

The thing with Jamppi is, he's average with a rifle. Without an OP, he honestly isn't that great. Even with the op, he would either go 30-8, or 5-19. Despite liking the dude, I dont think he's good enough for his role. Omen seems to be a good fit for him right now. Jett, he has to avoid. He is far too inconsistent on her

Soulcas, right now he's on a good path. He's played other initiators before, and can surely adjust. Right now, he's the star player of the team next to scream. He was originally a sova/raze/skye player.

Kryptix, I agree give him some more time. However, if he cant come out of his slump, I feel he might get replaced by someone like NBK, or nivera. Wouldn't be surprised by either of those moves

idk tbh. Soulcas is doing really well on his role. Far better than what Jamppi is doing atm. Only weak side of this team, I think is Jamppi and Kryptix. jamppi is a nuts player, but far too inconsistant. Kryptix has been in a bad slump for the past 3 months.

Bro, that's the same shit all of EU said about sen before Iceland.

All everyone spoke about was how smart eu was, and how their utility usage was amazing. What happened? sen took a flawless event. All that mattered in the end is how the team played with their comp. 1 or 2 duellist doesn't mean shit.

oh yeah for sure. The way they work their rankings is odd. Wish they somehow manage to get hltvs formula, as theirs is pretty solid.

Think it might have to do with them losing their last 4 matches in a row, c9 winning their last few, and nrg being on a 7game ws.

VLR rankings are pretty dogshit, given tsm managed to hit 2nd from winning in a second qual.

Think he's salty that VK sent GL home.

Hopefully their current duellist duo improves at a good rate. It's still too early to tell who is better than who, given xeppa was on smokes and flex for the past few weeks.

just unfortunate for poiz, as he wasn't really playing bad, just wasn't playing amazing either.

Oh I've met the delisional TSM fans. 90% of them are high as fuck on copium. Outside of these forums which you either have;

crazy tsm fans
boosted ego sen fans
delusional scream fans
then you have the cNed best player fans

then the cringy mwzera fans, which I probably summoned by typing the first 3 letters of his name.

However anyone who has any resemblance of a functioning human, could tell TSM had 0 chance of winning berlin. They had 1 player who had to perform out of his mind every match, just for them to win. When he didn't, they looked like they belonged in nsg monthy.

Ironic thing is, I'm a tsm fan when it comes to NA, because Wardell was my introduction into how a Jett plays, and his flashing style last year. Just I'm not gonna pretend that tsm arent a bottom t1 team at best.

Sweet jesus the look of it made me feel sick lmao.

Think this is why all my friend consumes, is coffee, pea soup, and the effect of snus.

Leaf is for sure, but is Xeppa?

Leaf on duellist is a no brainer. Dude is insanely talented. Just felt like the duo of poiz on Jett, Leaf on reyna, was more powerful than the current duo of xeppa and Leaf.

However, it is far too early to tell if it was the right or wrong choice. Was just surprised by the adjustment of the roster, given the performance of the duo(leaf + poiz).

In terms of NA, they're up there. They put up good results against the best of the region, but always fall short at the last hurdle. With Floppy gone, they might have a decent chance at being top3. No idea why they benched poiz either, as he was performing well after he rejoined the roster. then again, no space for vanity, which I guess poiz bit the bullet.

Seeing their matches on recent times, they could be back on a comeup. Especially with Vanity taking over the smoke department.

Got a finnish dude I play val with. Says the only good thing in Finland is their coffee selection. Other than that, says the food is meh.

Also finland do have a bread brand called Jussipussi, so you guys at least have that.

TenZ is similar to Shroud on cs. Other than shroud winning something, they're both similar in the sense of being highlight players. They can pubstomp, and make a clip out of every round. However in pro play, they were average and not the star player everything thinks they are.

ngl, surprised Tenz is even this good in val, given he was cursed as fuck on cs with lans. Online he was good, lan he was dogshit on.

Who the fuck expected them to beat sen or even win berlin lmao. People overestimated them going to berlin as they were on a good streak. Nobody expected them to beat sen, or even win berlin.

I'm over here with
Paura vs Dapr

What would be worth it to the team? Complain and refuse to play because it's not fair, or get a potential DQ from vct events? It's shitty what they have, but rather play on 60-70 ping for a seeding match, than a possibility of throwing everything away that they worked for.

It is a shame, and good that they're in the GF. Just unfortunate they as a team can't do anything about it, and have to play through it.

oh we know how nuts they are. EU people hyping up cned is just copium because he's the best oper in our region, by far. Like what NA was like with TenZ, EU is like that with cned. We haven't had someone as dominant on their role before, other than scream.

Asuna is still by far the best aggressive rifler I've seen. That shaky aim is nuts. Yay, he's just consistant on both oping and rifling. cNed is just seen as the saving grace of eu, with everyone putting a lot of hope into him as we didn't see him compete at iceland.

Dont even think it's him not touching val. It's him being at the bottom tier of t1 in cs, underperforming for a few months on ENCE. Guess liquid saw his potential in the future, given he's still young and has experience at a high level in cs. Dude has the skill, just his inconsistencies is dogshit.