I have no doubt that valorant will overtake CS one day. We're also not that close.
So far we've had 760k the peak viewership, and that's the biggest team in the scene. They're now gone from the event. This is also the biggest event of the year for val, and so far viewership is lower than iceland.

We cant compare with PGL, and this event might not even break through the 1mil point, given sen are out. I hope it does, as I hope Val take over CS. Valve have put 0 effot in CS over the past few years, and I want val to give them the wake up call it needs.

Just dont be deluded and think mixwell, or scream could still hold up in cs. They wernt good enough for t1, and most likely never will be. Nobody in Val right now could put a dent in T1 cs. Nitro is probably the only person, but he's joining the most inconsistent team in the top20, other than faze.

Bro, are you okay?

When was the last time mixwell was in a t1 team in cs? early 2018. Scream? 2018 aswell.

Val might be on a rise, and will most likely take over CS someday. Right now, Cs is at a ll time high playercount. Last major had great viewership. The level of competition is at an all time high. Like, are you that deluded that you think CS is smaller than val now?

Also if they're doing well in Val, but couldn't do anything for 2 years in CS. why the fuck do you think they wernt washed in CS? This is also coming from a scream fan, and a mixwell fan. Like, dont be so delusional that you think they were at the peak form in cs when they left.

CSGO is far from dying in eu you fucking troglodyte.

The reason NA swapped is because orgs were pulling funding from the scene in NA. In eu the game has been growing.

Mixwell swapped because his career in t1 was done after optic. Scream left because his career in t1 was done for years. Every player swapping is doing so because they can't keep up with the current scene.

Bro, dont even cope with mixwell. Dude fell off after optic, and had a single decent event with North. Dude fell off after that dreamhack.

Much like every other pro player in this game that left cs. Most were in a slump, or knew they couldn't keep up with t1

That's Val atm. The skill ceiling is nothing compared to CS. So peope who were considered washed and would never be able to attend a international lan. They're all over here being top of their region.

Not even that. There's no t3 scene in EU val. We have challanger mode to play, which is dogshit. The best thing we get past that, is country specific lans, or events. One I played was epic lan(it was online) back in february, and it was great. Now I have to wait like 3-6months for the next one to have fun at.

No consistant place to play events online. It's why I just wish we had an fpl scene, or some other form of tenmans.

Yeah. If they can work past the language barrier, KR would be the ideal place to look.

EU, I'm not sure given the larger orgs are taking interest in the scene. Only plus side of going to NA from EU, would be for more events.

hopefully 2022 have more events in eu, and a more structured t2/3 scene. We need something like nsg.

Dont think this guys played a hard support role in anygame at any level tbh. Fragging as a heavy supp character is hard as fuck.

I think they'll look at jp/kr. Xeta has been one of the most successful imports into a team. A lot of talent in KR, with a small chance of supp going towards them.

Bro, he's considered one of the best by most pro players, and every analyst. Like, tf.

My bro thinks impact is only on the scoreboard.

Oh yeah, I forgot to put that in there.
I just remember a few days after they mentioned the swap where he'll just play sova, etc. He spoke about him being able to focus more on igling, and not having to focus too much on his gameplay, aswell as calling.

Most likely down to the stress of having to perform, entry, and IGL.
It's why a lot of IGL's tend to be support, or flex.

Bro I'm EU and Sen iceland was far from a fluke. A flawless event isn't a fluke. They were just head of other regions, and now we all caught up to them.

G2 and TSM are perfect examples of that in their own region.

Na didn't have domination though. They won 1 event and got to the finals of another. Same shit EU had.

It's hard to see the value an igl brings to a team, as the only stats we have is paper stats.

The Cned and friends thing, we have that with pretty much any team that has a crazy top heavy op user. C9/SEN are Tenz and friends. It's been like that in other games aswell. G2 on siege was Ctzn and friends, the first iteration of BDS was shaiiko and friends, etc.

Bonecold does seem like he needs to improve his mechanics, however if that takes away his focus on igling. It would be better to chill where he is.

OKay.
South africa might not have a huge esport community. So why dont they get insulted for their country standing in other sports?
Why dont people hate thaiiland? They're not a first world country, much like quite a lot of asia. So why dont people hate on their community for their economic standing?

People dislike the BR community because of the minority of fans who send death threats, and take it too far. The reason I brought up SA, is because nobody gives a fuck how developed a country is. Even in other sports, Rugby, Cricket. Nobody gives a fuck that South Africa is underdeveloped. Hell, even in football nobody in EU dislikes brazil because their region is underdeveloped. Shit, growing up I never heard any hate towards the brazil football team, nothing but love. Just the esport fans are the equivalent of Ronaldo and Messi superfans. A small minority ruin it for the majority.

If I run into a group of people that I have little to no positive experience with, I'll say it's a toxic community. I dont give a fuck if their country is insanely deveveloped like SK or JP. I dont give a fuck if they run pcs in slums like SA. A countries economic standing holds 0 hate. It's just an insult we use against other people.

People in EU talk about poland and romanias economy, we talk about UK with brexit. We literally shit talk with what information we get online. nobody cares if a country has favelas, townships, ghettos, etc. People just use them as insults rather than caring.

You're honestly reading far too much into people shit talking a region. People just shit talk for the sake of it.

I'm not saying there aren't people who have a huge distain for other regions. I've met a few who are xenophobic racist POS, and I cut ties once I heard of that. However not everyone that shit talks Brazil, or India. Have the intention of hating them because they're underdeveloped. To most people a countrys standing is just ammunition for trash talk.

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Using a widely known exploit that two previous pro teams were punished for, shouldn't be a slap on the wrist. Them losing the map, or replaying the half is the best choice. They're lucky they aren't DQ'd from the event, which other esports would do for a bug exploit that teams have been punished for in the past.

It could be it slipped Jhows mind, or it could not. We dont know the truth. The only truth we know is an exploit was used. If they replay, which I hope they do. Then nice. however either way, they can't go on acting like it never happened.

the thing is, if nobody gets punished for this, it wont stop. It wasn't that long ago when hiko had to hire bodyguards in brazil because of the hate he got. It was only like 2 years ago where leaf, a 16 year old received death threats. Even 3 months ago asuna received them.

Now I'm not saying what zombs said is fine. He'll most likely receive a fine, and possible suspension by riot. There's a chance for that. I just hope he isn't made to sit out of the event, because then we wouldn't see sentinels perform at their peak. I'd rather him get a punishment after the event, than before.

riot also need to sort their rulings out. Breaking momentum with furia, is unfortunate. We dont know if they'd have won with it, or not. However we'll never know.
Their ruling with Vk, although they were playing better, and were the better team. They should have to ff the map like giants, and x10 did. Either the map they won, or the map in the next series.

tbh neither deserve it. Nobody deserves death threats.

What I think vyltx is trying to say, but not well. Is how one got it because they played a match and riot fucked up. The other got it because they're involved in fights on twitter.

Again, neither deserver it. nobody deserves death threats for playing a fucking game, or talking online. Overall stupid situation.

all good all good bro :)

Bro, he literally replied to my comment.
I see him reply to my comment, so I assume he's talking to me. not by fault he scrolls to the bottom of my comment and hits reply.

Mechanically, I'd say marved is the best astra overall. He has good util, good mechanics, etc. Zombs is a better util astra though. His usage of util is insane compared to the region. It's why when it comes to being a controller, he's a better controller. A better player, I'd say marved.

It's genuinely a toss up if you prefer mechanics with a solid util rating. Or a great util rating.

Bro, anyone can tell he's on about their valorant scene, not the actual country.

In CS when EU says NA is trash, we're not talking about little timmy who is 7years old going to buy candy. We're on about their competitive scene.

nah, this time you can tell he was angry. Think it was on daprs stream a few hours ago when he saw the watch tweet. Dude saw the drink behind it and said he was drinking.

The tweet spree was easily a buildup of not being able to take all the berating and hate. Dont blame him tbh, but also people need to realise zombs is probably the biggest troll out of the sen5. Dude talks so much shit on stream and you can never tell if he's serious or not, because his voice is monotone.

dogshit vlr laggin making me post a reply as a comment. fml

Did you watch the matches today/yesterday. He wasn't dropping 15 a match. However he also wasn't just rolling over and dying. impact on a character isn't always paper stats. we dont know the impact he can bring behind the screen.
We say he's one of the best astras, because he's proven that.
Look back at previous events, and the previous lan matches. His stats aren't great. However stats on his role aren't always meant to be great.
Marved is probably the best mechanical controller in Na right now. his stats aren't that much better than zombs. 1.05kd vs 1.0.

However I do agree that Zombs would be the first person to be replaced on the team. It will either him being replaced, or shaz retiring. The other 3 will most likely stay longer than Zombs will.

But again, my main emphasis is on the impact we dont know he has, and can only assume. Same reason Bonkar hasn't been kicked, despite being the worst current pro player in valorant as a whole. His impact as an igl is enough for the team. Maybe zombs impact as a controller is enough, idk.

How do I read wrong?

"Dude, did you create a new account just to talk shit about Brazil or is it my impression? if not sorry."

Did I create a new account? No my account is 6 months old.
Do I shit talk brazil. I've spoken about brazil in the past few hours as they've been a common topic in the posts. Did I shit talk the region? no. Did I talk about the fans, yes.

It does look like you're wrong. So I accept the apology. ty have a nice evening.

shit like this is what fuels teams aswell. Look at CoD or Gears of war comp. The rivalries and actual hate people have for each other makes a fucking fantastic viewing experience.

Just thank god the bandwagon tsm fans left to join sen. Cringy kids jumping from one shit to another.

Neither of them are better in terms of util usage. Nitro, by far better mechanically. Vanity, mechanically too tbh. Util wise, Zombs is probably NAs best Astra.

I can see how vanity is close to him and marved in performance. All 3 are by far the top 3 controllers in Na.

It's what always set zombs out from the rest. He wasn't a mechanical player, but util was always perfectly timed, and executed well.

ye bro, my account made 6 months ago is new just to farm impressions.

idk if you mean to respond to the guy above, but nowhere in this thread did I shit on brazil. I'm a fan of their teams, but not fans. Much like every other region. I'm not a fan of any other regions because the shit talk tends to be cringy. Shit talk between pros is what I'm a fan of. CoD and gears of war are fantastic for this.

but ye, idk what you're on about lol

Fuck that's aweful. Anyone sending that kind of shit is a degen on levels so fucking low. Actual cretins sending death threats. Can tell their whole existance is based off their parasocial relationship with their favourite players/team. dudes who send that shit need to touch some grass.

Envy - all good

Earning from events isn't what they live off of. Salaries from large orgs is the majority of his income. Not including the wsb he does.

It's something people dont realise. Shahz said the prizepool isn't a lot of money for them. Their salaries are probably 1/3rd the prize pool they get, after their cut.
First place in this event is like 350k. Split between 6 people, each gets around 60k. Taxes will take it down to 40/50 something thousand. These players most likely get at least 5k a month, if not double, triple, quadruple that. I believe it's faker(I know how large he is. Not saying they're on the same level), who gets around 1mil or 1.2mil a year in salary. That's not including sponsorships, prizepool, etc.

In terms of util usage, zombs is by far the best. Mechanics and util, marved is another type of beast.

I wish NA cs somewhat comes back, but on the other hand I dont. I dont wanna see players jump back to CS from val. I'm just wondering if Nitro going back is worth it.

ngl I'd say marved is NAs best astra atm. Mechanically that is. After that probably nobody.
However anyone saying zombs gets little impact is a clown stuck in g3 thinking scoreboard stats mean the most.

no shot. They'll be a 10-20, but I can't see them getting into top 10 by just picking up nitro, vini/osee (not sure if liquid are still looking at vini. remember reading reports they were) , and shox, getting them into top10.

Then again, I could be talking out my ass. I just feel in my gut they wont last long past a honeymoon phase.

aaah ye ye I get you. It is weird to go from irl regions/countries to esports version of it. A lot of people still think EU in esports is the European union.

I thought in terms of valorant and riot, brazil is a region and latam is the other region.

It's true. G2 is by far the smartest brand when it comes to shit talk. It's why G2 never shit talk BR teams as they do with other teams like he does with eu.

I think sen are trying so hard to be the villains and make it interesting by being a bad guy. However it just doesn't look entertaining, where as g2 are.

Sen are just the btec budget g2 on twitter.

Sen are trying to be the NA g2. Tring to make jokes and cracks at everyone trying to play the villain of esports. Them going and being all nice and asking for people to be nice, wouldn't be within their brand media persoanlity.

tbh zombs barely streams, and when he does it's to like 1-3k people. No shot his streaming got him that watch. Salary and events would have got that.

TO get a watch that much, you need to be a huge streamer.

It's somewhat the same in eu/na. Salaries and sponsorships eclipse prize earnings, so it's mostly bragging rights.

Edit: also calculating by earnings is dumb. NA had far more development and funding in the past year of val, compared to other regions.

tbh viper at launch was same tier as yoru. Only before iceland was she buffed as fuck. They literally took an F tier agent and made them S tier at the time.

Just cant pass forward when your two attackers are ahead of the last defender.

Say there's A, B and C. C is defender.
If A(has ball) passes to B, who is infront of C. It's offside. Now if A is behind B who is behind C. You can pass.

I dont care if people copy. It's just the irony of shit talking strats, then using it and acting like you knew it was always good.

dont forget when 100t called Fnatic strats dogshit, then used them and 13-0 their next game.

Sentinels are just the new version of TSM.

They were far ahead of everyone else in y1, but other teams caught up and they fell off.

Sen were ahead of everyone at the start of this year, and now others have caught up. Getting a coach is the right thing, as shahz honestly can't do everything anymore. That shit can burn anyone out.

Oh I agree. EU has so many different counties, cultures, etc. FOr isntance I've ran into far more toxic french players than turkish. Across every game I've ran into more tilting french players than anything.

EU is far worse than the turkish playerbase. This is just the first game I've actually ran into a lot of turkish players., so my pool of experience is limited to valorant. French players ,or even uk players(Fucking hate uk players. Huge egos, for being a hardstuck.). EU overall is by far worse than turkey. I was just talking about why some people dislike turkey. It's nothing to do with the country. Just more to experiences they've had in games.

Have a nice day dude. I do agree with you with everything you said. My whole point is every region is toxic, and nobody cares if a country is actually poor or not. People just use that to shit talk.