Though we should consider that sp.1 is always better in terms of view than sp.2 becuase of the long break there has been in valo pro scene. Also consider that CR is gone. Knowing that Murage, Riddle and Fennel are raking up all the viewers, it's quite understandable that the official account doesn't have much viewers these days. Everyone watches either on Mittiii's, Unkochan's or VDK's stream. Overall viewership performance was much better than it has been in 2023.

By long term effects, I mean fans generally losing hope and interest. When collective viewership goes down, then it's real bad.

I am with you IF (that's an important if) things are actually on Riot and Jake Sin to blame.

Because don't get me wrong, as someone who also have followed League esports for a long time, and especially route for minor regions, including LJL and CBLOL to do good, I saw how Riot is butchering them, especially the APAC teams with the creation of APAC League next year. I fucking hate it and I also thing the single elimination Ascension format was friggin ass.

But since we don't know any details of why exactly Ascension needs to move from Tokyo to Jakarta, I would reserve my blame. I found your strong words and opinions very misleading, so I was telling you that you should reserve your hate as well.

When they really are the frauds, go tell them to quite their job and become a McDonalds cashier or whatever, I don't mind.

This shit is bad long term. ID fans will love it, but consider yourself being a Japanese fan. Your teams shat the bed last year and there were zero home teams to cheer for in last Masters (although they still cheered for all the other teams that came to Japan and was overall a good atmosphere). Then this year your teams are continuing to shitting the bed in the Pacific League. You even hear that Laz might retire.

Then there is their T2 scene, which was very close to winning Ascension last year. They are your hope. With streamer teams like Murage and Riddle, the scene is more hype than ever before. They are probably just as good or better than Zeta and DFM in Pacific. You hear from various people in the scene, both Japanese pros, coaches and casters as well as foreign ones saying VCJ is the most competitive, and probably the strongest T2 region this year in Pacific.

Ascension is in Tokyo. You are hyped as fuck as an avid valo fan. You finally get to see an international LAN in Japan where a Japanese team will participate, and not just that, but also as a top-dog. Though the thing is, all of that is gone, just a month before the Ascension. You feel extremely let down.

Now imagine if RID doesn't win Ascension. Putting yourself in a Japanese fan's persepctive, you'll agree that you'll feel hopeless for your scene. You'll have to huff some copium and hope that DFM and Zeta will get their shit together and recruit top talents from VCJ and fix their shit, but that's not garaunteed.

A lot hang on Riddle's shoulders now. They are like JP scene's last hope.

It's not late to flame the fraud when it really becomes clear that Riot and Jake Sin fucked it up and Rage had to clear the shit up and become a scapegoat.

VCJ problems are not on Jake Sin bro. I know you hate him your guts because the original ascension format was ass (which, by the way things are going, might be due to restrictions imposed due to the conditions of holding Ascension in Japan) but if you are mad about something bad in VCJ blame RiotKohei.

I'll rather believe in VDK who's more in the know saying Rage and Riot should be ashamed and better themselves than someone on VLR though. You're already pinning it down on Jake Sin and Riot Pacific but the thing is no one knows of now if any of those theories are true are not.

Wild how you can talk with so much confidence without any evidence.

This again. Guy is still a fraud

One of the braindead fuck who spread the rape allegation is his stream mod.

Disrespectful and braindead mom + annoying ass fans + shit performance despite dodging military thanks to you mom = J0nggg

Keep on cooking fellow RC fan.

This match must've given this guy a small flashback about the reverse sweep 😹

since 1 hour ago 🤣🤣👋👋 blud punched his monitor and threw his phone and can't use VLR

keepy receipt

DFM is a bit complicated because they have the affiliation with CR. Will depend on the details of their partnership and if Ozizi has a say. Also what Ozizi thinks as well.

Obviously not something exclusive to Fennel, but it's far from class act nonetheless. At least from my impression, majority of the community ain't in favor of such crowd spoilers anywhere in the world.

yeah, that's the problem. Such fan culture not being a thing in VCJ until now means it will get the ones who start this kind of shit a lot of hate.

I've watched the finals on watch party streams so I haven't realized, but apparently some Fennel fans in the stadium had extremely bad attitude trying to give intels left right and center whenever Fennel was on a disadvatageous spot, whether it's a 1v1, lurk, etc.

From what I've seen on the YT VODs, some folks were literally screaming "above" when Seoldam was 1v1 against Clz on A site box, after which Clz did looked above, although he did so after quite a delay, so I'm not sure if it really gave him away the location of Seoldam.

Seems like Twitch chat on the main channel was a fucking mess as well because RID and neutral fans were noticeably pissed on FL fan attitude and YT comments have a lot of people dunking on FL fans as well.

There's even a new slang called "Macon", combining of pussy ("ma"ngko) and re"con", to make fun of all the fangirls screaming where the RID players were 💀

Flying from Hokkaido to Korea is no different than flying to Tokyo and longest domestic flights in Japan even if we don't count flights to and from Ryuku/Okinawa is still longer than flight to Incheon.

I'm conflicted on who to root for between Riddle, a team I've watched all year, or SPG and Persia, who's got like 2 years left before he's conscripted

Yeah, I'd say he has a much higher low, that's for sure

So most of you think that it's Syouta, Clz and Xdll?

Then, presuming you are a team owner of either Zeta or DFM and could take in two players, which do you choose between Clz and Xdll?

yeah, xdll was cracked today when they were winning and has been very stable player throughout the season, although I think GON's highs are higher than him

nah, I think other Fennel players like CLZ is better than like a third of Pacific players

Obviously Syouta's got what it takes to become quality T1 player and is clear cut, but frome the other 4, who are T1 worthy? I'd say Clz counts as well and would've say GON but he looked a bit shaky today ngl. Also by T1 worthy I mean those players who can hold their ground and perform against middle of the pack teams like TLN, TS, RRQ and show some good plays even against top APAC teams.

I guess same problem as PRX?

Bro always in pain watching his Apex roster play and now is having some redemption

I've heard good things about HoneyBunny although I've never seen him play

actual quality bait 8/8

It used to be dogshit and their then Apex roster (also goated APAC N roster which won split 1 playoff, first for a team that is not TSM and DZ) said that on stream, that it sucks, and VDK changed it.

We'll see if that's down to VCJ being more competitive/VCK having more mid teams or if they really are better. Ascension will tell

Nah, T1 gotta get their shit together ASAP to claim APAC Korean. They'll stay frauds with A0t0mn

Sad for Yoman but now he actually has more time to contact T1 teams, so half W

It's fucking sad how Riot treats Brazil. Also in Leaguez they shafted 3 teams although Brazilian fans were so passionate regardless of they were winning or losing.

I think it's three fold. Valo is popular in Japan so as a result there are a lot of those who are interested in the pro scene.

Though their teams in the VCT Pacific league is shitting the bed all the time ever since Reykjavik, so I feel like a lot of them turned their eyes to VCJ, where some teams might win the Ascension. And they're not far off considering Scarz was 2nd last year and VCJ is one of the most if not the most competitive Challengers League in APAC this year. I'd also bet for a VCJ team to climb up the ladder and do better than current DFM and Zeta.

It's either those two things above, or just real, invested fans who'll support no matter what cuz the team grown on you.

Who tf cares mate? You support your local team because you feel the conmection. People like you support shit like European Super League. Damn bandwagon mentality. Real fans support their folks through good times and hard times.

Ready to see our future goat Horigome take his first medal

real. If you want to leave, just fuck off. No need to pretend like you're some saint being sacrificed for greater good or some shit.

There's just too many dumb shit about Asian countries on English speaking communities its crazy. I've seen so many outlandish takes about not only Korea, but Japan, China, Taiwan, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia and so on. Idiots who've never set a foot there think they're some actual experts.

Well, now he learnt at least that maybe it's a bad idea to develop a relationship with a fan without a second thought, especially if you don't know much about her.

We need Nissin or Ajinomoto create a team and win VCJ so that we can get ramen rivalries at Ascension

She didn't really own up, just making dumb fucking excuses to save face

This guy seriously thinking he did no wrong 💀

You right on the level of those Reddit bots and Twitter fangirls. "Korea has a bad rape culture" lmao, typical self-entitled Korea experts who learned about the country through twitter tiktok and yt

AINTNOWAY the last time they've met was in March of 2023 since 2022 💀

I think Akame, GangPin and the Boong Bros would get some offers from Pacific teams, especially T1 if their roster with Stax doesn't work out. More so for the Reject duos since the team is shitting the bed right now and I don't think they'll be able to go to Ascension.

For Japanese talents, Aace and Yatsuka looks cracked, and I think they could be good addition to DFM.

Bro, I really thought that Fennel could take on and win against Zeta until last split...

It's GenG who needs help cuz they ain't winning masters with l0kia

dgaf where someone's from or if he's the same nationality as I am, none of these frauds like Lakia should be playing in IL, let alone Masters or Champions while players like Zest or Stax couldn't even come. Even Carpe better than this blud

People actually think performance from micky mouse tourneys from 2021where Nuturn can go top 3 still matters in 2024 💀💀💀 blud is straight up fraud with that initiator performance. Gotta cleanse my eyes after seeing him play 🤮🤮

Can someone actually hammer both of Lakia's hands so blud never plays again? Most disgusting parasite ever seen in internationals 💀💀💀

Not saying it actually was a micky mouse tournament, but without a proper trophy/medal, let alone proper finals venue, the celebrarion feels kinda let down. Hopefully GenG can also win further and get a trophy in the future.