talon are not worse than dfm, look at how hard RRQ beat them

if i could post images i'd post images from the actual spreadsheet but nope

1st: Fnatic DRX Loud
2nd: Navi GenG NRG
3rd: Fut PRX Furia
4th: Vit Secret Lev
5th: TL T1 100T
6th: Giants Zeta Sen
7th: Koi Global Mibr
8th: BBL RRQ C9
9th: TH Talon EG
10th: KC DFM Kru

damn we lost week 1 boohoo

the fans were getting clapped? you realize how stupid that sounds? they weren't playing, the players were

nah we criticized yall bc there were no crowds for ELIMINATION MATCHES, not for group stage matches that likely wont have any meaning in the end

its either they use both or use only imperial lol

big difference between an irrelevant group stage match and an elimination match at the equivalent of a Masters, but go off

the best major of all time (from an unbiased pov) was literally Boston, majors are had in EMEA bc thats where all the fans are lmao, all the NA fans moved to valorant bc they realize its a better game.

no opening year tournaments just dont matter since its the start, 0%, its where you end (at champ, where AMER got top 2)

Beat you with a t3 player, didn't care abt lock\in

you guys had 1 top 3 placement in all of last year LMFAO

gambit went 1-1 vs NA at M3 but go off ig

not gonna argue this but there were FUT fans who said FUT would destroy 100t

Top 8 at a season-opening tournament is top 8, can't judge stuff since its the start which is why large season-opening tournaments are not good in this system, and why riot is transitioning to 2 masters instead of Lock\in after this year iirc

I was already watching Fut vs Liquid lol

What does Americas playing or not have to do with anything. You said PRX are and have been an Aim only team, so we have their whole lifetime of matches, in this instance, we are talking about PRX's style, not their power ranking

Like dude you are literally drawing random matches to come to a conclusion you have already drawn instead of looking at the available facts & matches and making a conclusion off of them

yeah, they looked very flat at Lock\in, so what? Its 1 match.

mental doesn't turn a 13-11 or 14-12 to a 13-3, it turns a 13-7 or 13-6 to a 13-3. Lev won the clutches because they were and are better. On the same map, ascent, LEV put 10 rounds up vs Navi with 0 clutches going Lev's way. Outside of clutches, Lev underperformed on Ascent vs Vit, and still won.

You are basing their playstyle off of 1 game where they didn't need to do anything different because they were so much above the competition, while I am basing it off of their whole lifetime where they have had matches where they put their whole playbook out there.

I didn't know a 2-0 with one of the maps being THIRTEEN TO THREE is considered close or "almost beating"
saying vit almost beat lev when Lev was +12 on rounds, +24 on kills, and +6 on FB is just factually untrue.

Vitality is not top 10, there are better teams
Navi, Koi, FNC better from EMEA
NRG, Loud, Lev, 100t, Sen, Furia NA
DRX, PRX, Geng, Secret, maybe talon APAC

if you believe that you clearly haven't watched PRX. they have innovated as much or more as any team, They've had Astra-breach work on Breeze, They have used yoru more than any other T1 team and it has worked.

These are good changes sure, but they don't change how the map is going to be played at a macro level. It will always be to fight showers/hooka/long or the generic slow/fast hit because there is no mid. Instead of moving the Long Tp closer to showers it should have its own path to site that comes out where bench is or to the left under heaven. The same thing should happen with the A short TP, A short should be its own larger area that can be fought over instead of a small pathway that directly leads to site, and the TP should have its own exit that adds another entry point onto B site.

was a Wake Forest LAN

I literally went to one and got 3rd.

there have been plenty of lans with crowds bruh, not VCT level crowds but the take that there have been NO crowds is unequivocally wrong

this take is atrocious. there have been plenty of lans, An offline server isn't what makes a LAN a LAN. Its the environment, the ecosystem and the experience

Steel > FNS. FNS has an issue with mid EU teams like Guild, he had 2 of the top 6 players at champs 2021 but couldn't get out of groups, he had the best player of 2022, the best controller, a top 3 initiator, and a great flex and still only won 1 event
are you forgetting Tenz had the highest peak of anyone at M2 Iceland???
Marved Yes
Crashies Yes
Sinatraa didn't have a peak at an international event so he's a ?

https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/1c6c490d
Who are the other 4?

bro,hypothetically, if FNS goes to EU and plays a tier 2 tournament and beats EU teams, that doesn't mean he is good against EU. None of the 3 teams u named has done anything of relevance

TL didn't have an actual IGL lmao, you cannot say with a straight face that TL were a threat at champs. Keep looking at the exceptions and not the rules

rules are rules

no they never said anything abt allowing kenny or not, they blocked an illegal loan

thats just not true as a SEN hater

thats just not true

thats L logic, you are only as strong as your weakest link/team

uhh Brandon, Loud beat Optic in champs grand finals, I dont give a shit about the other matches

wow a core that has existed for over a year beat 2 newly formed teams! This shows fns supremacy!

fns can't beat EMEA teams lmfao. Saadhak > fns

no I think his point is that PRX has more firepower than Geng, that "something" is Forsaken imo

u said adding something solely makes them a better team and I'm saying its not that simple

no, it needs to contain gaming or esports in the title

can you please word the title better than "the gender debate" lmaoooo.

Idk, peak Leaf >> peak DGzin but current DGzin > current leaf. peak mwerza >>> peak xeppa, current mwerza >= current xeppa, zellsis > any of the remaining 3 players, but vanity =< any of the remaining 3 players

they have a history of being good(in 2022), I have no reason to think they won't bounce back.

SEN have a month to iron things out, they have more firepower pound for pound than Furia does.

of course saadhak is going to dif vanity lmfao. he is the best igl in the world. I trust C9 to find a fifth that actually works. If they kept yay I think they'd be worse because yay is not good post-chamber nerfs.

right now 100%, Furia > c9 & 100t. this is predictions for Americas league which is almost a month out. 100T will bounce back, and c9 should find a 5th that works. I could easily see Furia being better than C9, I just trust C9 more