so can asuna, but one of them is used to 100t and one isn't. you clearly don't know how team cohesion works if you think you can just slot someone of similar skill in and the team won't worsen
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so can asuna, but one of them is used to 100t and one isn't. you clearly don't know how team cohesion works if you think you can just slot someone of similar skill in and the team won't worsen
this just isn't true, they are similar players but one of them is used to mikz and 100t and the system and the other isn't at all
none of us are serious anymore after 2023
nismo is THIRTY YEARS OLD might as well bring hiko back if we are looking for someone old
so if i say i hate cat haters its a crime?
this is a bad example because Loud 2022 is the greatest roster assembled and would beat EG, FNC, etc. they lost like 4 series all of 2022(when you played A LOT more) and 1 was to their kruptonite and 3 to optic
does trembolona even use vlr anymore
Why am i getting downvoted, i love cats im just saying some people hate them
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sideshow is british we can't trust him
I've added a different system that includes Map win%
Via the one that includes map win% it is
The largest increase is 100T 2021 (+3) and the largest decrease is crazy raccoon 2021 (-5)
1st NRG (+0)
2nd Loud (+0)
3rd Fnatic 22-23 (+1)
4th DRX (-1)
5th PRX (+0)
6th Navi (+0)
Major Tier Break
7th EG (+2)
8th Gambit (+2)
9th Liquid 2021-22 (-1)
10th Kru (-3)
11th Acend (+1)
Tier Break
12th Sentinels (+1)
13th Talon (-2)
14th Fnatic 21-22 (+0)
Tier Break
15th Leviatan (+0)
16th Edward Gaming (+0)
Minor Tier Break (Tier ZETA)
17th Zeta Division (+0)
Minor Tier Break
18th G2 21-22 (+0)
19th Xset 2022 (+0)
20th FUT (+0)
Tier Break
21st Nuturn (+1)
22nd Team Secret (+1)
23rd Team Vikings 2021 (-2)
24th 100T 2021 (+3)
25th 100T 22-23 (+0)
Minor Tier Break
26th Team Liquid 23 (-2)
27th T1 23 (+1)
28th C9 2021 (+2)
29th V1 2021 (+2)
30th Bilibili (-1)
31st Crazy Raccoon (-5)
32nd Guild 2022 (+0)
33rd Giants 23 (+1)
Minor Tier Break
34th Guard 21 (-1)
35th Furia (+0)
36th Keyd Stars 21 (+0)
37th NIP 22 (+2)
38th Northeption (-1)
39th Sharks (-1)
40th Supermassive Blaze (+2)
41st Attacking Soul (-1)
42nd F4Q (-1)
43rd FPX China (+0)
44th Boom 22 (+0)
45th Full sense 21 (+0)
that'd be hard to do because of igls
consistent and consistently good are different things
dementia has kicked in i guess
the consistency parameter is purely for the regions, not teams and its just total results/ # of teams from a region, besides loud consitently do well at the start and end and suck in the middle, so they ARE consistent lmao
how would bombing out influence anything? you don't LOSE points for making an internatioanl event lol
if you look around this comment section you can see me taking criticism and feedback lol, Loud have gotten 1st and 2nd at champs, 2nd at masters and 2nd at Lock\in and you are trying to compare them to EG
the qualifiers for champs historically are masters events, not their own qualifiers. idk the format for this season so i can't really say
do not do it i bought guns from him and they only shot out glitter
the difficulty of the qualifier is void imo, especially in the Partnerships era where 1/3 of the teams made champs last year and literally every team competed at Lock\in .
also yes teams starting in playoffs makes the competition way less than champs
before i say anything, this is adding another level of complexity to my spreadsheet, which i've already stated is supposed to be an "unweighted" and a basic format.
next, "If we measure round wins (the leading indicator) as a proportion to rounds played. This solves the new team / era issue." the issue with rounds is a 13-11 3-13 13-11 series is still a 2-1, so using maps is better imo. it's also better to compare within eras than between them because of things like different rules (in real sports case anyway, not necessarily true in valorant, in valorant's case its different maps, agents, etc)
they made it out of groups everytime but once, lets not act like they went 0-2 every international lmao, also they played in korea not apac
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mQz_oZ5ZOeTKksdw98Z8NrJP7xwtP1JHRv1NZxr7DRg/edit?usp=sharing
more teams just means more competition, regardless of how good the teams are (with lock//in being an exception because after 2 matches 24 teams are eliminated while only 1 per group is eliminated in masters/champs)
ps: there are some people who think 2022 was stronger top to bottom than 2023 was, it's literally a debate whether 2022 or 2023 had more depth 1-50 because of how bad tier 2 was in 2023
top 30% of americas league is good given how much a shitshow the team was
first off my bad on including kru for lock\in i completely forgot they used to have xand and axeddy, but DRX have always had buzz/mako/stax as their core of 3 so idk what your issue there is.
head to head rating is irrelevant long term as teams will be divided by decades(assuming valorant lasts that long) so there is no reason to include it now if we have to backtrack later.
There are 2 ways to think about this, which i'll call weighted and unweighted (like GPA in the US). my spreadsheet is unweighted, it only includes results at international events. I had an older one that included map and series winrates(this was before champs 2023 so fnatic is lower), as well as domestic results and it turned out as 1st Loud 2nd DRX 3rd NRG 4th Fnatic 5th Gambit (this gambit included their 2022 results domestically so they are higher because they were always 1 off) 6 Navi 7 PRX (PRX were very very rocky early on even though they'd had the same 3 for almost forever) 8 Sen 9 Acend(acend did VERY bad at masters 2 '21 quals and at stage 1 of 2022) and 10 KRU. I understand what you are talking about, but there are multiple ways to look at everything without 1 way being right or wrong
are you forgetting EG got 2nd at Masters 2 while acend got 8th at berlin?
edit: also if you actually look at the spreadsheet all of these questions are answered lmao, it's not perfect but these complaints aren't real
with what teams would you compare numerical differences? the only way to remove any bias would be to find a team that stayed as a consistent 5 for all 3 years which no team has and use it as the bar
edit: I also think it is much better to do things in-era, which is why like I said in my other comment i used map win% and series win%, if you want that one i can msg u it but it isn't in any way updated or consistent (i updated talon but no one else) nor easily readable, and some teams like 21-22 fnatic and 21-22 liquid i didn't even track map and series win%
he is the chosen one
crazy how sean still dragged them to beating fnatic at champs
probably stellar as he had the most say on this stuff as an igl
"clearly better than" this isn't about being better dude. this is absolving that because it is opinionated it is purely based off results regardless of era because the strength of eras (how strong they are compared to each other) is also opinionated
"in the era of the most competitive valorant" once again, this doesn't matter for my spreadsheet.
fnatic C22-23 are 4th even though they didn't exist at the start of 2022, its literally just how results add up. 1 8th place finish is going to be worth less than 4 12th place finishes in the same way Kru will be higher than a 1-off event winner because of their myriad of appearances
Fnatic had the core of Alfajer-boaster-derke at copenhagen 2022, so why wouldn't it be considered the same derke-boaster-alfajer core in 2023?
KRU have made it to every international event besides 1, they also got ok or decent placements(top 8) at masters berlin and copenhagen (top 12) which are events liqud didn't even qualify for(this doesn't mention the 2023 events liquid couldn't make because they didn't exist). At events both liquid and Kru made, Liquid are + 52, Kru have made it to 4 other events and are +79.75 at those events
Liquid and EG are basically equal so you are really nitpicking there its half a point difference
also a team being newer doesn't mean anything, this isn't power rankings where how good or recent a team is matters
A core is 3 players(either on their own or 3 of the original 5 players) so from masters 1 reykjavik and before fnatic was Boaster-magnum mistic , and after that it is derke-boaster-alfajer(as masters 1 reykjavik and masters 2 copenhagen do not share 3 players, the core ends)
the T3-4 means 2 teams tied for the 3rd 4th spots, like what happened at berlin 2021, where there was no double elim bracket so 100T and G2 both ended Tied at 3-4 and the general methodology used by all forms of competition (even riot) is to award both teams the amount 4th would get(4th would get 60).
My methodology for divying points up (1st-2nd, etc) is that each spot (besides top 32 at lock//in, ignore that its a 1 off) it worth 10 more than the spot above it, but i also value getting a podium spot (3rd), and making it to the finals (top 2), so there is an extra 5 points between 3rd and 2nd and between 3rd and 4th.
for Masters being worth 80% of a champs, and lock//in worth 75% of a champs is because of matches played and teams at those events. Masters events with the exception of masters berlin always have less teams than champs, and champs is also where the final trophy is lifted. so 12th at masters (besides berlin) would mean going out in without winning a match, while 12th at champs is winning a match, and Lock//in is worth 5% less than a masters because it had no regional stage before it, meaning a team like 100T could get top 8 just through getting an easier bracket (which they did)|
I also did it so for most cases, masters results gained points as if 1 match lower than champs (4th at masters is 48 while 5tt-6th at champs is 50) because champs has more teams and is overall more competitive
she's always needed the 5th start to be viable as a solo controller and today harbor viper is the premier double controller lineup not astra viper so i think giving her 5th star back is a good thing
actually I think its
he probably has 5 memorable games in overwatch idk abt val though
ur good bro, looking at placements is the only objective way to rank teams though because everything else is opinionated
I enjoyed making the spreadsheet so idk how you think it was a waste of time
there weren't international events in 2020
c9 hasn't had a consistent core for more than a season until mid 2023- now lol
because the guard PLACED top 8 lol, doesn't matter if they won a game or not, and if u bothered looking at the spreadsheet you'd see that f4q and smb are tied because they both ended 12th
yeah they were slightly higher if you accounted for regional results because they were 1 spot off making most of the international events so many times
it took me around 3 hours but i already had the numbers (as in I already had the points distribution) so that shaved off a lot of time. I just went through all of the tournaments individually on VLR and added every team besides ones that only participated in Lock//in and got Top 16 or Top 32, which was about 11 teams iirc
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