Yeah I get that. I just wanted to make clear that the circumstances of those changes are completely different, but yeah

It definitely is, I like what PRX is doing, if davai and forsaken accept the new roles

I'll bait for him every round if he is gonna kill the other 5 guys

We'll hopefully see soon. Being good is a lot more than that tho

Seems like he is joining PRX, idk to what point that is an structured team xD
But yeah he is insane, and tbh I've never seen anyone farm tier 2 that hard, obviously Brazilian tier 2 is better but man's probably got the kill record

There is no way he follows his path right? I mean his stats are just as good if not better, but I doubt it

Fair enough kekw

PRX definitely needs a change, not saying that. Just saying their situation has nothing to do with C9s

I meant C9 disbanded after 1 game, not PRX, opposite

Not the same at all. They're keeping their project from last year but realizing now they do need to change something after all. Notice the difference with building an awful roster and disbanding it after 1 game

Exactly, dumb career decision

You're actually right, also for some reason it's acceptable to sing songs where you threaten people or make the most misogynist things because it's just a song, but can't sing the n word because that's more than just a song?

Why can't we use our heads and look at context? Is it not clear that Ardiis doesn't mean anything bad at for example?

It worked tho. Plus then why tf do you want Takas, he is another duelist, and xms already proved he is better than him in that role

Do you really think you can make ascension without winning the second split in any region? I think that affects a lot more relegation than the playoffs team who are contending to go to ascension in every region

Can’t import 2 players on VCT

In any league, doesn’t mean you throw it

Keznit left tho, I’m pretty sure he didn’t just get dropped

Good 6 men are being dropped or leaving the place, it just doesn’t make sense for anyone, Keznit for exampme

See, that seems a lot more like the correct take

Why weird, it’s just presumption of innocence, there is literally nothing against Niesow other than” he was very good why did he leave”

Is there a reply count or something I’m missing
If that’s the case Ty for the replies Ig

“Farm replies”
Tf is that even supposed to mean
Alright great

Funny how some people for some reason think it makes more sense to apply the presumption of innocence in the Sinatra case than in this one lol

What, he has 10 games on secondary entry, he has always been a smoker

And sure if it was so easy to play like he did why did they end up 17-1? The other teams didn’t seem to be able to counter nor replicate what he was doing

What fucking league did you watch kekwwww. If you tell me you don’t like how he played then alright but saying “there is no metric that proves it” when he literally has +0.20 rating than the next player means you literally didn’t even check

Same clip as always, he already explained they were doing the same shit every round do he just spammed. If a weird wallbang on a ranked you’re a cheater then Ig everyone is.

Funny how everyone always links that shit, alright he was a cheater who competed an entire year and there is literally no competition clips where he looks weird? Just a fucking ranked clip

Investigated by Riot a thousand times, presumption of innocence exists

Paying 200j for Mixwell is way better for TH than 50k for Avova, paying the clout not the player, but would still get the player so it doesn’t really matter.

Nukkye was around that money too, but that’s because he is the better player

Nope, not one specifically. People assumes so just because he was really good and he quit Val before LAN’s started

I do not think it’s a money issue at all, they just didn’t build the roster as well as others did

It’s an approximate given by Lembo, Spanish leaker

Around 200k for Mixwell, and less than 100k for Avova (50k or sum). Don’t have the clip rn it’s a couple months old, but I’m sure as a FNC fan you know how G2 works, they don’t just give away players

Hoody and Nukkye both had high buyouts too

You’ve seen 1 game of xms, he has been the best player on the French league for the entire last year, he deserves franchising a lot more than takas and Logan so far. Give him a chance

Newzera I agree

Dang, couldn’t watch, how did this go

Well, we can have that debate if you want then, because I’m a big defender of the system Riot is trying to implement which is not really franchising either (call it like that anyway)

Víctor gets killed through smokes 10 times every game

Exactly, and oh surprise when they have 4 fraggers they succeed

TH payed 250k in different buyouts, and no they’re not rejects all of them but maybe Boo and keloqz had other offers. They missed with the project, but someone has to, it’s not because they’re not trying, you can’t expect to have 10 FNC’s, there not enough talent for that. Also if they had signed a top tier 2 duelist and IGL you would be asking for Zeek and Boo on tier 1 for example

Turkish teams I don’t feel knowledgeable enough to talk, but for what I’ve heard and what it looks, you’re right

Dude, what is “his utility is so good that the fact he doesn’t frag doesn’t matter” supposed to even mean???

Bruh, who’s NRG a bunch of randoms? Who’s Victor? AverageJonas or something? Why not get someone who can do both, look at crashies, man has top 1/2 Sova utility in the world while fragging like a beast.

You can’t afford to have a guy that doesn’t frag at this level, other than your IGL. Because if you do then you’re left with 3 fraggers and the very moment one has a bad game you’re fucked. Loud game was a great example, crashies/ som / ardiis we’re having crazy shots and clutches but if the others don’t help sometimes it’s just impossible

Nah what you’re proposing here does not make sense at least no on a context of Franchising. If there is relegation then it’s just an invitational league, which is possible but it’s completely incompatible with what Riot has already proposed. And in my opinion what they’re doing is a lot better

Look first of all 2 teams ascending every year is already confirmed if you check how the system works but basically the proposal is:

2023: 1 team ascends (11 team league)
2024: 1 team ascends (12 team league)
2025: 2 team ascend, 2023 team is relegated (13 team league)
2026: 2 team ascend, 2024 team is relegated (14 team league)
2027 and on: 2 teams ascend and the 2 teams that ascended 2 years ago (2025) are relegated (14 team league forever)

There is something else tho, which is what gives the pressure to actually perform well to every single org and avoid Astralis LOL kind of things. Every 4 years (2027) Riot gets to change as many franchised teams as they want, so if they decided any of the ascended orgs does a better job than one of the partnered ones then you’re out. I think this is great, because it gives orgs times to build long term projects but also gives them the pressure to perform, so if an org does bad it’s not because they don’t care it’s just because they missed. Plus doesn’t limit you to just 1 descended, it can be as many as Riot wants

Ardiis is not a support player, he’s utility is not good on any agent, but he is a killer so he should just do what he does best

Víctor is the weakest link of the team but he is still better than Ardiis on flex. Ardiis is an S tier Jett and a B tier flex

He deserves it tho, if it was any other player he wouldn’t have those numbers

Seems to be pretty common lately, ardiis goat

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Alright, I’ll develop my point a bit more. I think it’s very important to distinguish between Top tier 1 players, low tier 1 players and top tier 2 players. And yes, most of the times it’s hard Ik.

But the thing is, a tier 1 team can have a couple weaker links with low tier 1 players or tier 2 players who are adapting etc. The problem comes when a roster is completely made out of very low tier 1 players and top tier 2, when that’s the case the team becomes just not good enough, even though all those players would be more than fine surrounded by better players

As awful as some tier 1 teams look, let’s try to be realistic, now imagine TH had signed the current Acend or Apeks roster, who would they be better than? Would people not make this thread saying -someone +Zeek/boo etc?

Idk if I explained myself correctly lol

And btw not saying this because it’s TH, I think that about all rosters on the league, maybe applies a bit less to Turkey but that’s just because of the crazy amount of options

I don’t think assuming tier 1 players are not playing good means some tier 2 pros better. I think there is very very few tier 2 players who would give the level in tier 1, and that’s just if they are surrounded by better players than them

More like he has proven he can’t and that’s why they changed xD

People think just because 100T are awfully bad that qw1 is gonna drop 23421 every map and Fut somehow are gonna be more than top 8/9

Yes, he is probably more Finnish than Russian, but he is still both things