No they already nerfed her into the ground, they just need to buff harbor or other controllers (clove is a good idea)

By map 5 bro's knees weak, arms are heavy like he eminem 🔥

think it's demon1 101 vs LOUD champs 23", zekken breakin that ezzzz

agreed but this site is a hellhole already just stick to twitter and twitch and you'll be good

It's so joever 😔

Yeah it's just over at this point...

fk it you convinced me

can you keep the PRX flair for tmrw tho please thank you <3

I'm familiar with ur game bro

For sure we can comeback in Lowers, but with our map pool it's so joever in Grands :(

I was high off hopium well fucking played geng, they completely outclassed us :(

Chrome + uBlock and Brave are goated for me, but i need to try OGX

maybe your right and i am overreacting a little, but I remember distinctly raging watching their breeze, and either way LOUD look great on this map.

Exactly they don't play like themselves AT ALL, no gambles, trash rotates, and very passive initiators. They just leave zekken alone somewhere in mid or they just hold sites, and wait to die.

Nah brother, They looked completely outclassed by other teams after the halls change. I think what we need to win is ban breeze to bait them to pick icebox or ascent. We can work on breeze another time.

Just because Sen got dismantled on sunset against Heretics and LOUD got dismantled on ascent against GEN.G, doesn't mean LOUD beats SEN's sunset or vice versa. Different comps, different days, different teams. IMO SEN take: Split, Sunset(close), Lotus (close if LOUD actually stop trolling comps)
LOUD take: Breeze, Ascent and Icebox(close).
Tossup : Bind( no clue)

For LOUD to win this, they have to change the lotus comp. Because if they ban split SEN will pick lotus which is an insta win against no senti. LOUD could still win while losing first map, but it would be a big gamble on the decider by LOUD.

my bad that's what i meant

I agree, but our potential always seemed unsubstantiated. I also don't think dephh was exactly the problem they just didn't have time to practice until after lock/in, you can watch the rob moore interview with wyatt from platchat if you wanna know what happened during that time( if u care ofc).

I would agree, but Heretics' players were talking back and it was quite a fun watch. Also I think PRX's players were talking shit so much because the entire crowd is on Heretics' side and it's an elimination match so it made it exciting to watch, def a match I will revisit later.

Remember when these two teams were the laughing stock of this site last season. As a SEN fan(from 22') I always had faith in my team, but after so many disasters I never thought my team would be called the best itw and have most people agree lmao, it's a very weird feeling. That's why we love the beautiful game, props to both teams.

ok so since the 1 LOCK//IN game helped GENG.G's players so much, why didn't the game against SEN help TH against PRX. I mean by your logic TH's players would have the same INT experience as the GEN.G players coming into madrid. Stop making excuses lol, TH are just not there yet, and there is no shame in that. But saying "NO IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE" is such cope.

If we're gonna Lock/IN for a single game as international experience, then this conversation is pointless have a good day.

I'm not comparing a single player lol, all of GENG ( except munchkin last year, and meteor 21' ) haven't been to an international stage, and they went to playoffs flawlessly. TH just got ahead of themselves blowing leads stupidly 2 games in a row (up 7-1 against sen twice and split against prx). If regional playoffs were double bracket I don't think TH even makes it to madrid NAVI were mid as hell, Fnatic would've qualified.

Bro your team had LAN(ish) experience at KickOFF and are playing with most of the crowd on their side. In hindsight you got 2 very tough teams and couldn't close it, but don't say experience diff since GEN.G made it and they have a ranked demon turned T1 pro in Karon.

goddamn TH ruining my pickems I would've 8/8

thanks brotha

anyone knows the capacity of the arena, like how many people are gonna be in the finals??

exactly it's sooooo boring now, like even if 100T win it's still boring they just want the casual fans to get engaged from the start cuz it's the two most known orgs by the casual NA player base.

OMG GUYS IT'S THE EL CLASSICO, on a serious note, Riot can we stop with this matchup, first match in vct americas 2023, first match and elimination in LCQ 23' , placed in the same group in kickoff, AND first match in regular split bruh it's getting boring I wanted SEN vs EG

SEN cuz I have been through hell with them the past 2 years, and also I don't think we will be able to keep up for the rest of the year so this will be our only chance :(

peep willminder's follow up tweet too, TenZ's omen wins almost 60% of his opening duels, and SEN win AN INSANE 87% of the round TenZ gets first kill ( which is 11% higher than the normal winrate for SEN in a 5v4). AND when he loses the opening duel they still win the round 5% more than their normal 4v5 rounds. SEN's aggressive plays work so well because they have 2 players that can go for them zekken and TenZ, and when their style works it's almost unwinnable for the enemy team. Example: vs NRG TenZ FB to FD ratio is 12:2 , while zekken's 20:12.

I know a 12-11 against LOUD (historically one of the best on the map) look decent, but for me both teams didn't look decent. For LOUD maybe because qck is a far inferior jett to aspas. For SEN, they always somehow look very flat on jett maps, you can argue it's because zekken has only played jett since last year's lcq, or you can argue the calling by johnqt and Zellsis is kinda mid on jett maps, or you can even argue that TenZ's Kay/O needs a lot of work. But bottom line is they need to figure out how to win jett maps or they will have trouble for the rest of the season. OR they can improve on their Bind, which will make them great on 4 maps (Bind, Sunset, Split, Lotus), and as TMV said 4/7 maps means you can guarantee to play at least 2 maps that you know you're good at. They don't have much time so we'll see..

For me, i think they HAVE to make shanghai and champs, AND at least get top 2/ lose to the winners. Even still I would see the roster as a failure but at least not a disaster.

he was such a hidden gem, massive pickup from SEN

1. TenZ 1.21 in 167 rounds played
2. tuyz 1.12 in 158 rounds played
3. Derrek 1.11 in 58 rounds played
4. zekken 1.10 in 167 rounds played
5. johnqt 1.10 in 167 rounds played

any surprises? for me it's tenz, I never saw him step up in big games since 21' respect.

good point, it's gonna be very hard for SEN to take NRG by surprise like they do a lot with their set retakes/site takes. example: spawn crunch with raze ulti against G2 on sunset. I just feel NRG won't fall for things like these. so SEN has to be firing on all cylinders to have a chance..

I'll go full nerd
SEN advantages: 1. more "match ready" ( played hella) 2. way more time together as a team. 3. I would say raze maps are more favored for SEN 4. Less pressure 5. more proven igl

NRG advantages: 1. more proven coach. 2. better players on paper(6 champs). 3.haven't shown anything besides sunset( I don't count breeze and ascent cuz it's all the same anyways lol) 4. had more time to anti-strat. 5. Probably the most experienced team in the world on stage 6. heavily favored in Jett maps because they have the best kay-o and Jett itw.

about 54: 46 in NRG's favor

why are people saying deluded lmao, check the stats his omen is the highest ranked in Americas. if we only count omen he would rank 9th in ameicas, but his Kayo has been dreadful, his yoru is clean tho.

fat o7 , love my goat NRG benjyfishy

couldn't have said it better...

I don't want to hear the whole Madrid is a mickey mouse now argument from people. Sure playoffs should have been double-elim , but please don't take anything away from this heretics team. NOBODY expected them to be this good, they improved and brought in great talent. You can diss the format all you want, but don't ruin the achievements and moments for teams like heretics please

So aspas performed better than zekken while having worse stats and worse h2h? because he's on a worse team? that's exactly my point. zekken while being inferior to demon1 will still perform great since his team enables him so much...

while i do think NRG will win, and I think demon1 is a better player than zekken. I think stats wise it will be insanely close, simply because SEN enable zekken so much. We saw it against LEV, while Aspas is imo a far better player than zekken, Zekken still had better stats, and I think the same thing will happen against NRG. Also flexibility is a valid argument, you can argue demon1 is flexible cuz he can play smokes at a top level but zekken has played every single role (except senti) at a top tier level too.
TLDR; don't hype up demon1 too much like he's gonna go 20-0 against zekken when in reality it will be a very close battle, and undoubtedly the better team on the day will win..

imo, NRG deserve a hard matchup cause they got such an easy group. They need to play a top 4 team before being claimed as one of the top 2 teams in AMERICAS. sucks for LOUD tho they would've had to play SEN, LEV, NRG (all predicted top 4 teams).

literally impossible, if group b's second seed wins play-in, NRG can't play EG because then Loud would have to play the play-in winner and RIOT already said play-in winner won't play the team from their same group.

The playoffs matchups are not set, they're gonna be drawn after play-ins. All we know is that the play-in winner won't play the team from the same group.

It doesnt lol , teams in lowers have an advantage too, because they had a lot more time to anti-strat both higher bracket teams.

I think people are forgetting a crucial detail when predicting this game, SEN had about 4 days to anti-strat LOUD and LEV while both teams were focused on anti-strating each other.So now LEV has 1-2 days to anti-strat SEN while SEN had 5-6 days to anti-strat LEV. If SEN lose this badly, their coaching team are on fraudwatch. Who you got?

at least my goats are getting cooked by my boy fishy, Fortnite diff