If PRX lose: "Monyet sucks, why did they pick him up he sucks so much"
If SEN lose: "Why tf did they put Zellsis in for Pancada, dude is washed, Pancada better"

I don't believe in either of these, but one will start here after the game ends, regardless of the result

I dont blame them though honestly. I think after the past two years in esports where teams have been going bankrupt left right and centre, riot is probably aiming for teams that are sustainable economically. Wolves might not be as well known in the esports scene, but they definitely have the money

Edit: ok apparently they are big in china, im stupid

If I was EDG, i would pull out of any remaining off season tournaments and just let the team rest. If they dont stop playing before VCT China starts, the burnout is going to REALLY effect their performance. Being burnt out and tired during the OFF SEASON, especially as we are getting closer to the start of the 2024 season, is really concerning.

NA T2 defiantely has the most talent out of any T2 scene in valorant. But you have to consider they are probably the most overfunded region in valorant lol. Some NA T2 teams get payed more than VCT EMEA and Pacific teams

1st place in AVL is almost equivalent to two 1st places in the Chinese Evolution Series, prize money wise

There is definite clear burn out., however there is also the downside of just other teams having ALOT of recent vods and information to go off of. Making the grand finals of all 3 chinese acts has given other teams an insane amount of information to go off of, meanwhile most of the other teams there haven't done much since champs. The only exception is Sentinels but its generally hard to prepare against a team with a 7 man roster lul.

cool. anyways

I will take this bullet gladly. Was mostly low on them because I just had no clue what they were doing with the roster. Would still like to see a bit more from them though before I completely admit I was wrong, but there is promise here

Lemme fix this for you

9. GE

10. Team Secret

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11. DFM

I hope Scarz can run it back in Challengers 2024 and earn ascension.

You should never take pre-season results as gospel...

but damn they look fucking rough

There is a magical word I like to use called...

PREFERENCE

Explain to me how it was a fluke without just talking about the 3 - 11 comeback

I hate how people discredit masters trophies so much compared to champions. Sure Champions is till more important, but at least in 2023, the teams in both Masters Tokyo and Champs LA were almost identical, the only teams I can think of being different were the Chinese teams.

I think the Chinese VCT will be quite similar to the EMEA VCT. A very dominant force in EDG (Just like Fnatic) that tends to define the region, but a bunch of other teams like RA, Trace, FPX (FUT, Liquid, Navi) who have shown potential in pulling off major upsets and put themselves up for contention with the region's powerhouse. However winning a championship? I can only really say that confidently for EDG purely based of experience and time they had compared to other teams. I say we will still probably be waiting at least a year or two before we see any other Chinese teams contend for Champions or Masters winners.

How many rounds did you win at Champs?

gNed

1st. 2023 Fnatic
2nd. 2023 Evil Geniuses
3rd. 2021 Gambit
4th. 2022 LOUD
5th. 2022 Optic
5th. 2021 Sentinels
6th. 2022 FPX
7th. 2021 Acend

T1 beating liquid and edg???????? delusional

I really hope that next year when VCT China starts, people learn there is more to China than EDG and BLG

Yeah more thinking about it and I do see it as unlikely. But IMO all it takes is one team to try it and other teams will follow, there just needs to be an icebreaker.

I do think for the time being they are going to keep the two rosters separate, GC players playing GC, and Challenger players playing Challengers. However I would not be surprised if they use this as an opportunity to maybe slot some GC players in their Challengers roster, more likely than not though it will be later in the season. I would LOVE to see players like flor in Challengers and/or VCT.

Flair

wow SEN is so good they won with kaplan!!!!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975933475368603719/1174552657508175993/F_BmksrWgAAeV4x.png?ex=65680267&is=65558d67&hm=3d9eac69d3439ab12e9f45f383f71c6c8196078bf2c503928ff7f6a4b03ddbac is this your champion igl?

this match will have more australian viewers than chinese viewers

valorant fans try not to overreact based off very little information challenge (VERY HARD)

A. its a low stakes showmatch, they probably aren't trying that hard
B. he's playing well, he just hasn't won a gulag yet (watching as of round 16 fracture)
C. gaps liquid

I'm happy SR are getting them, they will be in good hands

Don't get me wrong, 2022 was definitely still a better year for them. But saying that they were "nowhere near" as good in 2023 is massively exaggerating

That group really wanted to defeat those 'Group of Despair' allegations and they did. minus TL again lol

Nowhere near? They went from 3rd in champs 2022 to 5-6th in 2023. Tokyo was only rough for them cause they didn't know wtf they were doing with their roster. Honestly, getting destroyed in Tokyo was actually probably a good thing, it showed them that 6 people rosters dont work and that they need to go into Champs with a set 5, which they did and they look alot better. They almost beat the best team in the world at Champs as well, just choked at the end against Fnatic.

I agree with your opinion on T1. They are picking up great players with good potential, but their plan just looks weird and confusing. I will always stand by the fact that 6 people rosters are a bad idea.

BLEED could have a year quite similar to what happened to PRX this season. They will most likely had a rocky start, they definately won't qualify for Madrid. But I could really easily see this team gel and work together well and they show a decent bit of potential. Although unlikely, I wouldn't count them out for Shanghai and they could be good in the LCQ.

Going from Jingg to anyone else was always going to be a downgrade. But given their situation and who was available, Monyet was a great and possibly their best choice and after some synergy building and playing together, they will most likely be back to top form and ready to compete against the best globally

I have nothing to say for RRQ i need to look into them a bit more

i always forget about tyloo but yeah they have a decent shot at making it

If we are going off of most likely rosters going into next year

Pacific < EMEA < Americas (need to see more of China in the VCT before I make a judgement on them)

Teams in both Pacific and EMEA are cooking with their rosters at the moment, there is a lot of competition growing the middle of the table in both regions. Meanwhile in America, maybe aside from LEV, nothing really excites me. I would have put more faith in G2 but they have slightly disappointed in their friendlies so far (not ridiculously but imo they should have been the team to win the Sen Invitational on paper), hopefully though they can find their groove quickly because I want them to do well.

i was kinda expecting them to at least keep nivera, but they must have better plans in mind

I was kinda thinking something similar with teams like Invictus. Sorry but their current team is shit, but I could see them getting into franchising with their former connections in league and picking up a roster from a team like Trace or RA if they don't make franchising.

The Chinese VCT teams should be announced soon I'd imagine. What teams (or at least rosters of teams) do you think will make franchising in the new region. For me my only guarantees are EDG, BLG and FPX. However I would also love to see teams like RA and Trace also make it through, maybe also RNG.

Man United
A team with so much potential that use to be an absolute juggernaut in the region. Now they still normally perform well winning alot, but always come just short of trophies.

(its been a while since i've watched an epl game or anything so take what i say with a pinch of salt

I did say that at the start, but I kinda just wanted to start a conversation about other locations where it could be cool to have an event.

Don't see it being Beijing at least not now, just cause of the fact that there is also Masters Shanghai next year. However with how successful the game is becoming in China, I could see this happening in 2025/6

Hard agree, would make a great location

For being a sentinels fan, you'd expect him to know what a joke is

Although it is highly rumoured to be South Korea next year, are there any other locations that would make a great VCT event, even if it wasn't Champions? For me, after watching KC vs The World and watching how cool and hyped the audience was there, I would love to see a Champions/Masters in Paris. I would also love at some point for the VCT to return to Tokyo, still one of my favourite VCT events of all time.

I think the fact that with almost every event is happening overseas (VCT Pacific in korea, Masters Madrid and Shanghai), I think there are travel restrictions that would prevent Jingg from (at least reliably) attending and playing in events. I do think though with Monyet, they are in good hands

I dont think that 0 competition is gonna last much longer though. New faces like Trace and Rare Atom show potential and known teams like Attacking Soul and FPX are making decent advancements. Not to mention after getting yosemite back and having their full roster, BLG look in top form

I am actually quite happy they lost against Trace earlier on. I think it was a good reality check for them. Shows them that they aren't as invincible as they think they are, cause the first couple games their ego and overconfidence was showing quite heavily.

(edit: i think im getting downvoted cause people think im shitting on them. let me clear this up, im an edg fan

Unfortunately the problem is that there isn't a single org in australia that would have either the money or the commitment for the VCT

ahhh a fellow keyboard knob enjoyer, someone who has fine taste

As an Australian who has been wanting to see some Aussie representation in pro valorant for a long time, seeing the Chinese region bloom and offer chances to Australian players like Autumn (FPX), pl1xx (WBG) and Minimise (RNG) is something that is really exciting for me to watch. I really hope this is the start of something good for Australian valorant scene.