uh huh

Kanye
Travis
Mac Miller
Tyler The Creator
Frank Ocean but if we aren't calling him a rapper then one of J Cole Kid Cudi or Uzi

I think the ranking is more like

Scream=Tenz
Shaz slightly>Jamppi
L1nk Major > Zombs
Nivera=Dapr (really just depends on agent)
Sick slightly>soulcas (soulcas plays much more supportive)

IMO Zombs is by far the worst player but I also think SEN has 3 of the top 5 so its really pick ur poison. Liquid is def the more complete team and Sliggy being such a good coach helps them a lot

I'm not as big on the BR scene so forgive me if I'm mistaken but wasn't there some hype around Tuyz as a Jett player? He was on that No Org team that made it to Stage 3 top 8 and was a true standout Jett IIRC. Is there any teams actively pursuing him, I'm saying this because u mentioned how Furia needs a new Jett player to replace Xand but there isn't anyone on the market that stands out. Thanks for any help and this is a fantastic write up, really makes me interested in the scene and the top players.

Also any news on GTN? I know he was kinda shite internationally but with abt 12 BR teams being competitive this next year he's ought to be in the top 15 Jett/Raze players in BR right? Also would be interested to hear what the Sharks roster will be like because FRZ and Prozin are the same role, Gaabx and Killdream both play Jett and Denaro and Addicted are both sova players, so who will end up staying and what will they play? Thanks for whoever helps

Looks like a really solid roster, my only real concerns are who will IGL and a few agent pool concerns, mostly because of the lack of any initiator players(specifically sova) bar Hoody's skye, as well as not being sold on Avova and Meddo's Viper

That is just objectively not true

on 1 map lol

gMd is very well recognized, I don't think anyone underrates him anymore IMO. I will say so far today Temp has played great(its basically been a battle between him and Mitch) so you're probably on to something

I don't think I'm ready to put Temperature in the discussion with the other two(who I very much agree with as super underrated so I'm not knocking the post) just because he's only ever played like 3 games with Gen.G and about like 8 total at a high level. He needs to play a bit more to be put into that discussion, I'd maybe put Zellsis or Moose/Xeta if if we are talking abt support players

In the comments above you talked about NRG being a bad team with no coordination and him being on an off role, not just that he is on a team that doesn't play tournaments. If that was all u said I guess I would agree but it would be a bit of an odd thing to post abt, but u keep doubling down on specifically s0m on many odd takes when tbh he's not at the level of duelists in T1 teams and isn't that special of a duelist. If you made this post abt Android or EEIU it would make a lot of sense but I wouldn't say him of all people is being "wasted"

if anyone is wasted on that team its EEIU or Android not S0m

It basically comes down to Android being better at the Raze Phoenix Reyna type duelist and Tex being better at Jett than S0m. In general Tex's jett has been pretty bad, def the worst of the major teams jett players, but S0m's was also not good when he played it. S0m is the best support player out of the three and his astra isn't bad, so it makes sense to keep him on smokes. Maybe if he joined a team like Rise or LG or a T2 team he could be their skye/duelist flex player but rn he's not really at the level of most T1 players on duelist

Ska's Jett was a little overhyped, against tougher opponents he A. has played less games than Auti all time and Auti just picked up the agent and B. performed pretty subpar, while Auti looks like a top 5 Jett Na in recent showings, I get the thought process for T1 where they're trying to maximize impact from players in their support roles and let Thwifo play an FNS, Zombs, Ayrin type role of Anchor

Keloqz was a top 5 Jett at the biggest tourney yet, Mixwell's peak on Jett was at the start of 2021 at Red Bull Home Ground, when M4china and Scream were out playing him and Doma, though they never matched up, looked better on Jett. Mixwell is far better when he's on sentinel agents

Leo and Crashies are in a league of their own rn

I mean Thwifo is def an upgrade over Brax, he plays the sentinel role at a very high level and is arguably a top 5 kj na, plus having agent flexibility to every sentinel, viper, and breach. He has double the experience brax has at a t1 level and against t1 teams for Valorant and you likely won't be able to find a better sentinel player than him. Seems to be a pretty good move as long as Ska comes back to sova

moreso top 15 orgs, over the course of VCT they have been a top 15 team and people still see their players as above teams like Soniqs and Ghost. They're still in the grouping of not T1 teams but of T1 orgs who have a competitive history, in which I'd say the are probably the 13th-15th most competitive team throughout VCT.

Nitr0 Controller and IGL
Dapr Sentinel
Crashies Sova
Yay Jett
Sick Flex

Asuna Sub(for IB)

This would be the most fun to watch but I feel like if they want the most competitive team they would have Shaz in to IGL

Leare>Brodie for Jett player

if not Kiles u could just do DonQ anyway since the team needs a smokes player

Roza or Android>Wardell just so the agent compositions make more sense imo

Tex is the worst Jett of the top 15 NA teams so that's not saying much

I'm pretty sure he still had a higher ACS than Emil even when he was playing Astra and emil was on kj, Rossy was also their IGL and was more of an anchor than Emil so I'm not quite sure where this hate is coming from.

Asuna
Sick
Victor
Corey
Leaf/Dre(IDK since they play Jett now but they've historically been raze reyna guys)

If we are talking purely on duelist and not how they flex to sage, skye or to a lesser extent sova kj viper then these should be everyone's top 5-6

why would V1 want Dicey

i dont get why thats so hard for him to get, my statement could not be easier to understand. Zombs was the best brim NA, Nitr0 never played it, Zombs has the best astra and viper of the two, Nitr0 has the best omen. Zombs is best at 3/4 agents, and also is better at the two meta ones.

when did i say that?

how can u say that when zombs is better at the 3/4 controller agents than nitr0 while also being the best in na at the 2 meta ones(astra viper)

It is very much dependent on roles I feel

In order it prob goes
Jett/Reyna entry 240
Raze/Phoenix/secondary duelist 220
Fragging Sage(nukkye, cned, sick style) 215
Skye 205
AVG player is prob around here for pro play at the 195-200 area
Sova 190
Viper/Sentinels 190
Astra 185
Sage 180

ACS doesn't mean everything, and just because someone is lower than the avg doesn't mean they are bad, but in general these are the guidelines pro players are look at for their avg performance.

Zombs has been the best Astra consistently since her release and the best Viper of the controller players that play viper. He's far and away the best on the two meta controllers. Nitr0 is def the best omen but lets not act like Zombs wasn't the best support omen player during the omen meta. You can't call the guy who is the best at the top 2 agents in the class worse than Nitr0 who plays almost full time omen with 1 map each of viper and astra.

Think this may actually lead to a duelist pick up, the team kinda lacks a good jett player and now would be the time to pick up 1. Mummay, Poiz, Kehmicals, Dicey, Stani played some Jett, or even signed guys like Koala and Jcruel could be good. FA market is popping at the position, my personal hope is Mummay because of flexibility and experience but any of these guys r good.

I mean it makes sense, Auti is the stand out player on the team so they should prob build around him. IMO Brax played a decent enough Sova to warrant being on the squad still but he was def not as good as Curry. Curry IGL, Auti Jett duelist and then building off that is prob the best option for the squad. I'd love to see them target guys like Nismo, Tigg(if available), Stani, Jerk, Valyn, Bang, Kehmicals, Thwifo, Trill and Bjor who could be bought out or are secondary players on other good teams.

T1
Tenz Asuna Yay
T2
Sick Dre Wardell Victor Shaz (only on 2 maps tho)
T3
Leaf Auti Corey

Guys like Zekken and Ethan don't play enough duelist to fully warrant being on the duelist list but would be for the flex/duelist one. My next tier probably includes
T4
Babybay Zellsis Android Penny PureR with Shanks, Shawn, and Mada in consideration

Val isn't 1 for 1 comparisons, old ABX has an IGL and has way more fragging power. Plus your rankings are off anyway, Yay would way outfrag Jmoh and is by far the best guy here, Stani and Thwifo are much better sups than Skuba(saying that because they aren't gonna be getting Jcstani) and Mada is better than thief. I still don't get why people jerk off thief so much on this site, almost every stat favors mada and mada also passes the eye check as a duelist and an initiator.

Thief over mada is an interesting one

As much as I think in general this is a really good take, the one notion that people need to drop a bit is that Bang was picked up just to play duelist. Bang had always looked best in T2 playing smokes, and once he started playing Astra and putting up good numbers TSM signed him. His most played agents are still controllers and the reason that TSM picked him up was most likely because he's the only player in T2 that could fill up the holes that TSM's agent pool had. He was a good Astra player, but also could bring out the Raze Reyna and Sage. I'm personally not mad at how they used him, it worked for him to be playing based on the controller meta, Astra or Sage/Raze when Viper is good or they value Raze over Skye. It seems like people are torn between a few notions, its either
"why TSM pick up duelist"
"why is Bang on duelist"
"Why is Bang playing Astra when he's aggressive"
All of these all have both a bit of merit and some flaws to them for their own reason, but IMO Bang is at his best when playing his aggressive anchoring Astra style, and that was always the reason he stuck out when he played for SRN.

best player is a bit of a stretch lol

I think in the past two series that was generally true but historically for Rise Shanks has been the superior duelist

Supamen is Rise's best player but I'd def argue that Shanks is number 2. Throughout the majority of VCT he's had plenty of carry level performances and in general frags better than Neptune

I mean what do people rate him for, its two things:
IGLing
Fragging on support champs

So he brought a team that was previously cut by EU to a top 8 finish in NA ahead of many orgs mostly based off of tactical prowess. I'd say his IGLing is quite good, and every time KCP plays it seems like they are never behind strats wise. He also doesn't have much help team wise compared to most IGLs. No offense to their squad but compared to the rest of the top 12 teams they have poor duelist players and skuba and fiziq aren't top tier support players.

As for the fragging I don't really know how you can deny that part of his game. https://www.vlr.gg/stats/?event_group_id=3&event_id=all&region=na&country=all&min_rounds=300&min_rating=1795&agent=all&map_id=all&timespan=60d Literally one of only 2 players in the top 10 for acs that are support players and still has over 1 kd. I don't think he's like this insane mega god but there is very good reason for him to be getting hype as both an igl and fragger.

I think they end up 6 man rostering and have Xeppaa pick up Skye, Yoru, Viper and maybe Sage. That way they have a pretty unbreakable agent pool where leaf plays duelist/skye sage, poiz plays jett, xeta plays sova, vanity plays controller , mitch plays sentinel and xeppa plays the aforementioned agents.

That means that Xeppaa doesn't play ascent and haven(no need for viper, leaf can play skye or duelist)
Poiz doesn't play bind(jett bad skye viper sage better)
xeta not on split(no sova)
mitch sits out breeze and icebox(viper is better than the sentinel agents making him the odd man out)

Now this could all change if Xeppaa picks up more sova like we are seeing in NSG rn but IMO this would be best case scenario

Ok now lets step back into reality for a sec.

Andersin has stated that he won't leave DarkZero and has gotten T1 offers and declined in the past
Seven is cool but people love to talk a lot about him when he hasn't proven very much and is obviously not ready for the T1 scene yet
And don't even get me started on Sinatraa, dude is a huge brand risk and few orgs care more about their brand than ABX. They're a highly respected org with a shit ton of sponsors and adding sinatraa would not be a good idea for them lol. I think everyone knows he's good lol but adding him to your team has a high chance of breaking up chemistry and hurting your org

this has got to be the most vlrgg forum take of all time lol. It's got everything, jerking off andersin, Sinatraa coming back, pick up (insert young cracked t2 player)

3/5 of his games are on duelist, I get not having Shaz but Sick is first and foremost a duelist player. It's also weird that you don't have Sick when Shawn is sitting up there and he plays about 70/30 initiator to duelist for GenG

FaZe Rise or T1 make the most sense when he finally becomes available. I don't know if Rise would do it but if Derrek gets sniped it could def happen, and t1 and FaZe have similar needs that could work out with him on the team

guys guys player bottom fragging! I need to make a thread on vlrgg to say he bad. If he no get kills he must be worst player in game and need drop Mkael is potter cuz he no kill

They don't need to replace Mkael, they need to learn how to play on defense and find their dedicated Jett player. They kind of have an odd agent pool where Raze is like the only duelist they can play since Nature and Koosta are having an odd Jett switch up thing. They also just never win defense rounds on maps like IB and Bind which makes it tough for them to win games lol. I already knew people were gonna bring out the Mkael drop thing even though he's a fine player, maybe EEIU is a better guy but it's not as simple as plugging EEIU in and winning. Mkael has been a solid part of the team since its inception and his sova is super team oriented, which is why he has low ACS but usually insanely high APR. I will admit that he has struggled as of late, but it doesn't help when literally everyone else on the team is playing some sort of aggro agent/duelist. So do I think EEIU or Crit is a better player? probably, but It doesn't mean that plugging them in will instantly make GenG good

Not og guy but IMO the only team that would possibly make sense are FaZe. IK people will say Gen.G but Mkael has so much impact with his darts, he destroys most assist leaderboards if I remember. Add that to GenG having recent success it doesn't make much sense to me. Apart from that I either think EEIU isn't a big enough upgrade to warrant losing out on their IGL(teams like ABX) or just not much of an upgrade at all. I like the FaZe move because Rawkus is quite good but EEIU is better, and also very vocal on a team that's historically struggled with calling. Adding him also offsets losing Marved's fragging.

agree on EEIU, also want to add Koala of Ghost(but they are doing well so this one is a bit of a stretch), Yay on ABX( I still think they are a good team but they haven't performed), Will/Critical on BBG(Sova Crit tho), Temperature on EG, Cryo on Soar

Ah yes this thread has nothing to do with zombs its only someone asking if andersin was in place of zombs would the team be perfect, no one brought up zombs good point. Also I really never asked for your opinion even if u for some reason think that, I could care less what u and other people on this site think, I only replied cuz u said some odd condescending shit and talked about "bait" which I never brought up nor did anyone else in this thread so idrk what ur trying to get across here. Either way I think my point definitively stands that Zombs is better than Andersin and that SEN would be worse without Zombs, and that a lot of people have no idea what they are talking about(which you and I both know is true right "bro" ;)