https://www.vlr.gg/329909/gen-g-vs-t1-champions-tour-2024-pacific-stage-1-ubsf/?game=167275&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/312766/gen-g-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1/?game=162330&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/296749/gen-g-vs-rex-regum-qeon-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-decider-c/?game=155172&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/297254/team-secret-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-play-ins/?game=155762&tab=overview

whats your point? one game went deep OT and the others were basically a stomp

bro forgot about OPTIC and LOUD

I never said anything about changes needed for the team I simply just said they should've added Benkai as an assistant coach instead of dropping him entirely. Also yeah no shit people are gonna question PRX for not finishing top 2 at Shanghai when they had undoubtably the best chance of winning the entire thing ofc people are gonna question their dominance if they got cooked badly and having terrible throws too.

Personally I feel like them dropping Benkai was probably one of the worst decisions made by PRX. Don't get me wrong picking up something was probably one of the best decisions in all of valorant but like look at them they are just not as disciplined anymore, with Benkai they at least had some of their throws under control now they just throw left right and center. Their team structure is slowly cracking since they lost Benkai and they don't have the "play for fun" mentality anymore it seems and usually just look hella stressed out (both at Shanghai and Madrid). If they added Benkai as an assistant coach they probably would have done much better but then again he wants to play as well.

Wait PRX is currently 0/4 in bo5 in international events right now…

You're the one who brought up the idea about choking = not a good team if you don't want to talk about it anymore then stop replying to it

PRX is literally the team known for choking throughout the entire time they've been in Valorant, you saying that being part of a good team is not choking which would just mean they have never been good.

2022: Copenhagen, vs ZETA Iceland, Istanbul Champs
2023: vs EG Tokyo, Lock//IN, vs EG LA
2024: vs 100T Shanghai, vs G2 Shanghai

PRX is known for choking especially on that icebox game vs 100T does that mean they aren't a good team?

Wasn't a stomp tho they were up 10-2 against DRX first map and would've won if they didn't choke and second map was 13-9 too

Madrid: Beat PRX and almost beat GENG (finalist) and only lost to LOUD badly because QCK forgot that he was bad
Shanghai: Poor performance against TH (not gonna lie they smoked basically every other team after they went to lowers) and did decent against PRX especially since PRX were the favorites of the tourney

they were gonna win against DRX too in champs they just choked in the end

2023: BLG EDG
2024: FPX EDG

Since 2023 why is it always

Americas: 3 good teams
EMEA: only 1 good team
Pacific: 2 good teams
China: 2 good teams

its funny how your best team in 2023 turned into one of the worst teams at masters getting owned by their own region kekw

if you pick up a team full of imports around the world in t2 scene and then you win ascension? Does rito even allow that? Like what happens if you pick up 5 imports around the world the best in their role, dominate the scene, and then you got 5 imports for the t1 scene.

he's not wrong GenG won not prx

kamyk wouldn't work since they need a sentinel and Patitek is just the better initiator player, I could see maniek be a possible pickup instead of kamo tho

get rid of Shadow and Sheydos add Wedid and paTiTek?

Wedid can play both main controller (Omen, Brim, etc) and also play sentinels (KJ and Cypher)
Grubinho moves to second initiator and Viper and can also play controller when Wedid plays sentinel (or starxo too)
paTitek is flex and can play basically anyone but can also be their main initiator too

Full Polish roster??

Dawg please stop crying and saying that TH isn't going to qualify, they gonna shit on everyone and you know that

That's crazy when you consider the fact that 1. Chamber wasn't released yet so envy is not the same as OPTIC 2. Everyone else on liquid was throwing that game and 3. GAMBIT played a way longer game than ACEND did and had barely any rest before they played the GF

yes

Why tf is this map like the size of the fucking United States of America I'm not tryna be out here playing on B site then having to ride a horse from the San Diego Beach to New York City just to rotate to A site and by that point they can probably just pivot back to B anyways. But the time I get there from B site the bomb is probably already half way through ain't no way they thought this was a good idea.

GenG? bro you good?

If we follow the script from 2022

2022 Iceland
OPTIC loses upper finals 2-1 and then proceeds to beat LOUD

2024 Madrid
SEN loses upper finals 2-1 and then proceeds to beat GENG

(both NA win)

2022 Copenhagen
EMEA team faces off against an EXTREMELY dominate APAC team and beats them after having to go through a lower bracket run

2024 Shanghai
EMEA team faces off against an EXTREMELY dominate APAC team after having to go through a lower bracket run (TH win????)

Why are people saying that patitek is still just a stand-in? bro has more games played on TH than 2/5 of the players on the main roster

How is pacific worse than emea in 2024 if they have never beaten a pacific team yet...

so you got proof of where they stated that? or is that just something that you pulled out your ass because that hasn't been cleared up with...

https://www.vlr.gg/349509/patitek-returns-to-heretics-as-stand-in

Confirmed a week before shanghai and Patitek already had practice and bonds with the team. Me when you pull random things out of your ass and try to pass it on as real information 🤯

You calling me dumb is actually hella funny. TenZ only played that much because back then there were WAY more teams that they had to play to qualify for masters but if you look at it the time when he joined and the time when he won Iceland is only 2 months apart. While if you look over at paTiTek he joined the roster in February (not even including the time during the offseason where he was their stand-in because of wo0t) and the time they lost to fnatic in the GF where miniboo said he wouldn't attend Shanghai is 3 months apart. I don't know about you but having THAT much time with one team is surely to make more bonds than with someone who just randomly pulled up to your team because one of your players got into some major drama so your point is just completely stupid lmao.

what are you saying dawg a sub's job is hard no matter what era of the game you are in. TenZ had no interaction with the team to bond or create relationships and this goes with subs throughout any era. At least Patitek has already played an international LAN with TH at this point he's basically already part of the team.

Its stupid that TH play at shanghai finals on June 9th and have their first EMEA stage 2 game ten days later, like they most def gonna spend 1-2 more days in shanghai and even then the plane ride is gonna take up another day with rest included. Basically they would get back on the 11th-12th and then they also have to solve the miniboo issue while other teams have probably already VOD reviewed their gameplay. What's even worse is that GENG has less time only having about 7 days before they play their second stage 2 game but at least the plane ride home isn't too bad.

It wasn't Seider's fault for losing that match plus the fact that they even got through groups with a sub that has never interacted with the team before is already impressive enough for him

pretty sure he was, Sinatraa got removed because of the drama so TenZ came in to take his place

TH also choked 11-2 lead against G2 does that mean Boo isn't a good IGL?

prx fan with the PTSD of copenhagen 💀

GenG beats G2 in the upper finals 2-0 and any tourney with an upper final win of 2-0 always resulted in the winning team winning the tourney.

SEN 2-0 Nuturn iceland
LOUD 2-0 OPTIC turkey

Korea and Brazil have proved to be one of the best regions for the longest time (since the beginning of valorant), Turkey is just now getting good don't be biased just because you're from Turkey.

didn't they say c9 dropped close to 1m for yay?

yes

o7

true I'm just giving an example of comps where LOUD tried to make one and failed and because of it didn't have enough time to adapt to the newer meta and other teams dominated them.

not really gaming?

PRX still had comps that were similar to the meta just changed some characters to match their playstyle and LOUD making comps is true but most of them don't always work (phoenix comps)

yeah fracture was most def their best map but ascent is a close second

Yeah I do think that it makes the game more fun but that being said if you just shove these many changes onto teams then the actually good teams like LOUD and PRX will fall off because they don't spend all of their time on these meta changes and teams that only focus on these meta changes will dominate. Also apparently the duelist changes take action in stage 2 and shanghai ends like a week and half before China and Pacific start so they have no time to adapt to the changes (especially GenG I wouldn't be surprised if they underperform).

anyone else think that VCT or valorant in general is just who can adapt to the meta the quickest will be the best team during that time? Like genuinely they change the meta every few months even throughout the season where it just seems teams who have spent all of this time in learning things about the previous meta is just wasted. Look at SEN they adapted and learned the gekko meta extremely quickly where other teams kind of neglected it and SEN became the best team at madrid because of it. Like they should just chill and let the meta play out and make small adjustments so they don't create a chamber 2.0 but also not making it so the meta shifts every few months and then if they want change the meta in the off/season so people can actually adapt to it.

EG never lost ascent during and after Tokyo except to PRX in champs (plus all the wins were <7 rounds on enemy)

if he wins shanghai then that means he brought two completely different teams to a LAN win which is something that FNS and saadhak have never done? I don't even see why you bring FNS into this argument since if boostio wins shanghai his accomplishments will be better than FNS's (plus the lackluster performances in 2023), only person is saadhak since he is an amazing IGL but even then he hasn't won anything outside of champs 2022.

boostio is already a 2nd place finisher and a champs winner, if he wins shanghai he'll have a better record than even those on FNATIC.

he's never been a "fragger" he's mostly just there for vibes and pretty sure he helps with midrounding