6 NA team is criminal x)

• LOUD
• MIBR
• KRU
• A LAN team (EXL, Lyon, 9K) Sorry LEV betrayers
• SEN
• C9
• G2
• Last spot for 100T or NRG depending on finances go in 2027 (GC 100T is a good sign, the deciders line will be if they drop them after champions or not)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRL1RtzfeSk I was skeptical about 100T at this time, but they did buy a GC team so all good, I just hope it was not a cynical move with the approach of champions

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"Europe is tiny. Only reason they're doing is how massive the american continent is geographically."
Not really, they tried to balance region by size of player, South east Asian and Korea can't really scrim each other, Oceania doesn't have a T1, same for MENA and SA (You will never find Indian player on KR serv). Size of land doesn't count (CIS is half size of Americas...), it's the number of people that do count ! EMEA have more player than Americas... (And Russia doesn't even have a server that would boost the number of player).

If you want to have competitive region and not a region that roll over the other it's good they have the same size

It more easy to split TR+CIS in current climate that to mix EMEA and CIS to be honest.

But yeah, if tomorrow, Riot decide to split SA, they should do the same with APAC and EMEA (Especially APAC, Splitting Americas in 2 mean APAC will now have x3 the number of player of Americas)

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Because less money, but thats mean for less money you have more things

Yes, and the solution is not to split the league in 2, the solution is to moove out from LA and maybe the USA

Thanks life

APAC is the only region that need to be split, it's x1.5 the number of player of EMEA and AMER, and is the fastest growing market. Some market in APAC doesn't even have a T1 team wish mean them their best player doesnt have outlet, and you cant boot anyone (Maybe one JP team as mush, if you boot anyone else, you boot an historical KR team, or the only representant of a market). With

We need 5 region, but with Amercia that isnt split and APAC that is KR+JP+OCE in a part, and SEA+SA+ Either MENA or CIS

That will destroy both NA and SA, best SA team can scrim with best NA teams, it's good for SA competitively, if tomorrow Furia and MIBR cant scrim NA team, the level will go down.
Also you dont have enough good player to make 12 team, that will just dilute the region. BR have roughly the same number as Turkish player, 3 Partner team is already enough, and maybe even too mush (2 Partner team, with more chance of ascension slot would be perfect for BR)

Mexico (probably best geographical location for both NA and SA)
Not really, it's not a good spot for ping. My point about the need to move out of LA, is because every pro is complaining about the city (plus visa issues). But yeah I admit moving out of LA would be really expansive, but with how everyone is complaining... Well, that would really make sense to move out, even if it's to go into another US city. The question is "is the coast of moving, worth the fact pro will be happy" and I dont have the answer. As weird as it is, in Caribean they are place where you can both scrim BR and NA team with 45~50 ping (Riot just need to have to build a server in Forta to do so)

I don't think they have already decided to split, because if they decided to split that would mean they have a precise plan, and few months ago they didn't even know how many ascension team we would have in T1, they are just thinking about every possibility making it a rumor, and taking too seriously by fan that want it. ^^

The 2 groups may be the compromise, since Riot already have a studio in SP

They are not enough good player to fill 8 SA team, and probably not enough for NA (more debatable).

Faria was kinda clear : More strcuture not mean the cake bigger, it mean the slices smaller. The only reason we need more team if is some market are not represented or some region are way under represented :

• 4 NA
• 2 BR
• 1 LAN
• 1 LAS
• 4 Ascension is the perfect number

Since we have a group system we can consider making a South group and a North group (And if they are for exemple 7 NA team and 5 SA team, you take the ranking of the north group, ask the 1st group if they want to stay in NA or play SA next split, if they say no you ask the 2nd one, then the 3rd one until one accept (If nobody accept, it's the last team that is kinda "relegated to SA"), kickoff and playoffs 1 and 2 are held in a neutral place (Or alternate)
But anyway, since life qualify is horrible in Los Angeles, VCT americas should move anyway, (And they could move in place where you can play with everyone with 40 ping)

Also give the same things to 1st and 4th is bad, it's lower the stakes during stage, the current format is good, its make every game having stakes and team not fighting only for seeding

Thats 6 teams per region with the ascension, and I'm against the split, not for the split
The best compromise could be either :

• Relocate the league in a place where you can scrim with everyone with 40~50 pins
• Keep the 2 group of 6 system with a SA group and a NA group, and just organise the kickoff and playoffs in a shared place

APAC without China have 1.5x the number of player of Americas, we dont need China to split APAC,
Paciic :

• 4 KR
• 2 JP
• 1 OCE
• Either 1 TW team or 1 MN team or 1 eastern RUssian team composed with Russian player that played 80% of their game on Tokyo Server to have become a Pacific member
• 4 Acsention team

Asia :

• 1 MYSG
• 1 ID
• 1 TH
• 1 VN
• 1 PH
• 1 IN
  Then add either MENA or CIS based on balance and geopolitical reason for the 2 remainig slots
• 4 Ascention

The problem is USA, just moove on out there, they are place in Americas where you can both Scrim NA and BR team with 40 pings

Horrible news that would both make the 2 region weaker. The problems of both NA and SA, is the league is located in the worst city in the whole continent.

Remember that Americas have less player than EMEA and APAC, if the tendencies continue APAC will have x2 the number of player of AMER in 5 years

Make no sense, and you have now unbalanced region. Same format for anyone is good.
Americas is the region with the least number of player (Under EMEA and APAC), they are no way to give them the most of team, 5 NA, 5 SA is letterally perfect, and if NA is better they will have 2 Ascention team more

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Wat... It cant be THAT blend it have to be a little bit more substance in it ._.

I'm still not sure to understand this theory, thats sounded a lot as cherrypicking on Cosmic Divide

It's not clear in the rulebook, and it will depend on admin interpretation

Tiebreaker rules:

Head-to-head Match Score
Head-to-head Map Differential
Head-to-head Round Differential
Map Differential
Round Differential

Be carefull it's not really clear when the bracket reset, so if A > B > C > A, they are a chance if it's end
A +1
C =0
B -1
It's A > B > C

"We dont have representation in T1 so people dot tryhard" --> "What we lack is a gaming culture" Then... Gives a slot in T1 to Indian player ??
You wont create a gaming culture if you have no representation in T1 x)

"They are here to make money."
Then they should all leave esport, they are no money to do in esport, best you can do is doesnt loose money

I'm not requesting for a national team, but for a T2 regional representant that cover like 50 territories

Bro they where partner for 2 year and drop Latam after 1. If next year their team become full Latam Riot shouldn't drop them, but if they kiep same roster... GOD. Even during prepartner KRU > LEV

What kind ?

"at least sentinels won something with that roster."
I rather want to see EDG and Wolves and champs than T1... If EDG make top 4 I see no reason to cry over not goint to champ

If EDG makes top 4 (Wish is needed to make them both go to champ), I dont see why EDG shouldnt go to world

As for WOL, Sen 2024 also sounded as a loss of slot, and wasnt the case

Pray for no DFM miracle run

Singapore is decent, but Singapore with 60 ping is bad

You forget ping exist my bro https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Mumbai
Best they can do is Singapore with 60ping (You can have a decent ping on SG only of you are on east coast), you have no access to Korea or Japan server, the ping is way too high

You almost took only EMEA team, we literally share the same scrimpool, soloQ, and soon the same nuclear button, EU player will already plays against T1 player all the time in soloQ, if a player is good enough, he will be hire by a T1 team. While SA have a glass ceiling for having not the same scrimpool as other APAC region. The only way for an India player to improves is by playing in a decent soloQ and the only way to play into decent soloQ is to go in Korea because you get hire in T1.

I say every time that Lev should lose their partnership for that literally : drop that org

"Wish proves they are good on scouting !!!!"

Bad comparison, Europe is basically a shared market we share the same scrimpool, the same soloQ, wish is not the case for Indian talent

"He DID! he did gave two chances to two players, We didn't do well,"
They need more tuime in T1 if they want to have T1 level

"He has limited money and limited time."
Then buy indian they are less expansive

"They're an org there to win,"
And those win are in the room with us ?

"Not to fucking constantly bleed out of money"
Bruh...

Let's be real, Global esport can only take the leftover of other regions (Who would go to Global that have "limited money", when they can represent their region in a team that represent their region), you can't win with leftover. Take 5 Indians, even if they go 0-12 for 3 year, at least you will have some T1 experience that will trickle down on the scene and you'll end up with decent young player, and you will also haveexperimented player that will finally be better. And also remember than in 2021 India was equal from top 3, 4 and 5 Korean team. Stop having an inferiority complex, we are in the nightclub paradox, you dont want to see Indian into Tier 1 because they are bad, but the truth is that they are bad because the scene have no T1 player to bring experience

Hmmmm, thats probably the place where I do that the least, more on my youtube channel, and more on vlr when I invite people to debate on respect and loving contradictory opinion

Nah we have some, I'm doing my best to make more people intellectuals here

My dream, my dream, being allowed to warn "Be careful they are a risk that this this and this happen with that format", bringing playerbase data, planning the future !

"there would be more of an intensive for teams to at least be decent instead of floating to next year,"
Not really, look at APEKS and EMEA, they won their place fair and square, being best team in T2 EMEA, but their best player just get poached by best team making them miserable during the year. The current system is the best, we can have both stability and big org and ciderella story

"RIP Asia. Pre Partnership days all over again. DRX/T1/GenG all fighting for 1 slot."
No ? This is about the "4 winner of T2" that will take the 4 spot in kickoff, they are still 12 T1 teams, (5 SEA, 3/4 KR, 2 JP etc)

Lets smilebait some people !

I never saw a draft choked that mush

Beethoven ?

It's an EMEA team :c

Thats insane, dont do that and let them concentrate on their game... Even worse it makes us wait longer to see the game start

PS : congrats for your topic, it's good that some people think and speak about this one and even if I disagree I'm glad you did !

Thats the question i'm torturing myself with, as far as I would love a german org, I can see some problem wish that :

• I'm not fully sure you have any german org as big as KC, KOI, VIT, FNC etc...
• I think because German speak way better English than French and Spain, they tend to blend more into European community than us, wish making it hard to make a german org blossom, and make more sense to have "EU org"