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I agree NA and SA should be together (They dont have a scrimming pool big enough to be sustainable, if top team can regularly scrim together they will improve), but worst thing would be they mix, if they mix they will just lost their identity and less hype.
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They cant probably win champions, but they would defenitly be a huge contender to beat EDG, in domestic league
Cause all this 4 player plays in China this year :/
I'm so sad Australia doesn't have a partenered team, a roster with
Sure you need a smoker more to fill the blank, but thats 4 really good player and that would be amazing if Riot give them the right to play together either in CN or APAC.
I understand they are no place left in APAC, you cant retire any spot to any nation, but in that case allow Wolves or any CN team to represent Oceania without counting them as import (As long as they have 5 OCE player, so they dont have any advantage)
The worst part of this, is that despite having a huge problem of misogynist... i'm kinda sure Val is probably one of least misogynistic competitive multiplayer game
Why not 8 and 8 ? APAC and BR willnow have 16 team, it's probably gonna be 2 group of 2, just make a group where team will not be relegated and a group where team will be relegated
16 is too mush you wont find enough org to fill every T2, you just need few org per T2 to make it sustainable for promicing players.
If you have 16 team per T2 then 5 or 6 is ok, 8 great maximum and counting the aca teams. if it's 8 or 10 team then 3 or 4 team is maximum to me
To me every T2 league should be 16 team, so more team can be relegated without to mush lack of stability, plus it allows structure to be more sure they don't be relegated (We can also do a partenering for some T2 team but... Not sure if it's a good idea), ensure diversity inside the league, and it's a huge win.
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(Love on you all still)
Seems Riot find a MENA org for LoL 2025, and when war will be over, CIS/RU will need a team to represent them
No, I think Riot need to wait end of war to expand every league and give 2 partenered and 2 ascende team to every region, so every T2 region got their T1 team :
APAC : Oceania / Viet Nam
EMEA : Russia / MENA
AMER : LAN / Probably NA 6th
I really disagree with that Brasil beside VKS/LOUD it's :
2021 :
We will expand to 16 team somewhat and give 4 spot to asc (We just need the war stop)
(eu having their own league for each country), which just splits up viewers even more.
Definitly no, France is 1/5 of NA, and we still manage to match NA in term of viewer, and we are specifically full of structure, even if Acend leaft today, the T2 syste works in EMEA, and the new change (EMEA event every 4 mouth) will just make it even more hype. This is the real question : Why does this system seem to work in EMEA and in APAC, but not in Americas ?
"Why would an org want to spend money on an academy team", becasue they think longtermwise and T2 scene isnt expansive, even EG managed to hire 10 player, and they become world champion, not picking an academy team would be a huge suicide longtermwise, maybe i'm wrong but I feel USA is, in the western world, the contry that think the least in long termwise (And the only time they invest in long term is when you promise them huge huge irrealist amount of money), they want profit in short term, but this idea especially in esport is really selfdestructive, (In LoL C9 I think C9 had the best Challenger team, so good they managed to win Ascention, and that's basically how Fly Quest got created)
"Also East Coast vs West Coast isn't a thing in Valorant because of every NA org being from the West Coast, and most americans/canadians root for America/Canada, not their specific area"
This is an intresting point, and this may be the reason why : Whatever Leo is doing, he will never be able to do a clouted T2 league. In APAC and in Europe, We cheer for T1 because it's our région, but we have a sense of proximity with our T2, it's out, nation, it's our league. In NA we never tryied to create this sense of proximity and go from the principle that "US are US" even if we saw in traditionnal sport people care about west coast, people care about east coast, and even the south have a strong identity. Valorant NA would win SO MUSH to try to create those regional identity, Imagine a Tier 2 region, where you have a Canadian T2, a West coast T2, a East T2 and maybe a South T2, with every 4 mounth a big tournament that would crowd the kind of NA T2 like we will have in EMEA next year, lets be honest this would be so hype and would also solve some ping problems in the tier 2. Esport never tried to develop regional rivalries in NA and I think this might kill T2 in every esport (Even in LoL NA always struggle with T2 while EMEA thrive)
Maybe another solution to save NA is to expand and "partnered" some team that could be relegated even with poor result, so that would attire some T2 org
How many money Riot give per structure in T2 ? Maybe it's the solution, paying everyone 1k5€ for 5 or 6 people may sound doable for Riot ?
Real question : Are we really need huge structure to have a good T2 ? Isn't ok to have semi-pro or amateurs structure in T2 ?
"The brazilian players are far away from home, away from the food they are used to eat, away from girlfriends, pets and everything else. They have to share a house with other players"
Except if you are talking about Visa issue, all this part would be the same if T1 where in BR too.
"most of them dont speak english. Imagine going to a restaurant and not beeing able to order for yourself."
What bother me is that APAC doesnt complain being stranger in KR is probably worst than being stranger in USA, but I think in team you can at least have 1 people able to order food... No ?
"In 2024 we didnt have a single brazilian team."
Well, SA have 2 teams, so cant really blame fused league for that.
"And I'm not even mentioning what this brings to tier 2, every org from tier 2 is dropping off."
If you take out the 3 best BR team out of T2, T2 will be even more weak, and will not avoid T2 BR to be empty of Orgs (FR have a shiton of good org in T2 why BR coouldn't have ?)
It will determine your future, the win and the loose of the team you like, the success of Honved in T2 or the fact they choke in Premier
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Put a little faith in the chair, if you don't the chair fury will hit Turkey hard, and Cned will retire.
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"there is no way to prove Tier 2 players against tier 1 oppossition"
Ascention ! I think one way to another we will go to 16 team, and maybe 4 ascension spot so more T2 vs T1 and this will be interesting
"I just cant believe in this system anymore, especially seeing how open circuit esports like CS and Dota fostered successfull scenes in places you wouldnt expect (Dota 2 in Jordan/Lebanon and Peru, CS in Mongolia and Brasil) "
Sadfully they where not able to develop in every country, (Seems it's kinda also bounded to where your place your server), Colombian server might help Peru. I believe any country that have a population of +10M people should have their Subregion (And so a T3 league + Spot in T2), beside UNdevelopped region (Subsaharia, MENA, South Asia) cause it's a little bit too early (And probably a ceil of 100M hab to not make a T3 that is too big)
using my geographic stats the result is something like that
https://imgur.com/I0wcqbJ
I'm optimistc because I see solutions, and I see that Leo learn from his mistake. I'm optimistic because to me, the mixed system was always the best system because it allow us to have stability in the Tier 1, but keep cinderella story from the tier 2 (The main pb here is that asc have only 2 spot, thing would be better with 4)
Red = Not sure if it should exist
Cyan = Can be place in another way
Yellow = Subregion of a nation that is too big to have only one subregion
China is 1G pop, Americas on is whole is 1G pop too.
I don't think the south america have been harmed by the system, with the previous system BR could have only 1 competitive team, now 3 is possible because best BR player will have more training against more better team.
I admit T2 team not being able to scrim against T1 team might be a problem but not that mush, and they are other solution to solve that (like for exemple make geographical group instead of random group) and make the south group play in Sao Paolo, kinda like the conference System in US league.
In long term having 1 SA league will just make best SA team not able to play NA regularly, and will just slowly become less and less good because lack of good team to improve.
The T3 league isn't here for money, it's an amatory league, people are not supposed to earn money in it,
Keep in mind that T3 is optional, you can still qual to T2 threw premier and you don't have to play T3 if you want to qual to T2, thats not another bottleneck, and thats not turning premier in T4
If we go to 16 maybe the solution is to make a South America group that owuld held in Sao Paulo ?
Really interesting I didn't know it was possible !
Thanks for the light ^^
Italia and Portugal closing is a good thing, the population isn't enough big to be a T2 league, while we have a policy that ensure they are at lesat 1 IT and one PT team in the T2 (Has I say in one of my video), this is beneficial for Italian and Portugal, it's far better to have 1 or 2 team competing in a more competitive league, than having a not competitive T2 league compared to other T2 league and getting gaped in ascension.
To me Polaris show us the good way to do it, Rinascimento and PT T2 league, should now become a T3 league in the same way Polaris did with their national league.
So basically what I want for every league :
Maybe some of KR are Zainichi ?
At least it's 3x8 = 24 new JP player !
After the expantion it gonna be easier, because you will have more T2 data for 16 best teams
a valorant team consists of
then it kinda var depending of your gamestyle
All the collect of my data try to define the role and I have kinda intresting result
I agree flex player is a myth
Regionnal league are what carrying EMEA, that give a sense of identity, and make people support team from their region, but you can keep tht system and still have circuit point (That what they will do IIRC)
Japan just get expanded, so that makes things harder
That an intresting point, but it seems to me that a strucutre that invest on tier 2 in the long term will create a better environment that allow a team to climb, Look at every ascende team, TGRD, M8, Apeks, M80, Bleed, all of this structure are here building something longtermwize, and this structure will just destroy stroture like DZ that just try to go to fish a good team that played half of year with less mean.
I think this system is intresting, because it give a chance to every org that really want to be a part of Val, with making structure that is just here for the carrot to stay far away. I think this system make the best structure stay and the worst structure leave.
Also they are a huge differences between Amer and Europe, in America, beside few exception, they are no good structure, neitheir in BR and NA (And LA doesn't really have big structure in the first place), but lok at Europe, France, DACH, Turkey, Spain, and even the smaller one (Beside maybe polaris), all of our region are almost full of structure, all of our T2 region could expand to 16 team and still have a lot and lot of structure. Same for Pacific, Japan and KR just expand to 16 and with the aca team, they are no doubt the league will still be stack, and i'm not even talking about SEA, they have enough structure to fill something like 32 spot, and split in SEA HK/SG, even if you take South Asia that is T1 material, (Only OCE struggle because... Well isolation)
To me the problem is that BR, NA, LA, didn't have found their format for T2 yet, they will be the main region that will be helped by academics team (Potentially 3 spot filled for BR, and 5 for NA, we will need so mush less structure), and they are a lot of idea that can help them, create east coast west coast rivalry by splitting the group based on geography instead of random to reduce ping for exemple
He didn't said "it doesnt matter", he say he want it not stable, we can debate if we want a stable T2 or not, but his point is kinda intresting
It's kinda rare to have esport structure not loosing money, even in the T1, if thats the case thats sad but they have to pay less T2 player, (but I agree Riot should give more money to T2 team)
OCE NEED to have a slot in the near future, if Riot doesnt find a way in 2027 to give them one, long term will be horrible for the region.
Val need to be a worldwide esport
I have mixed feeling about this, if every big org leavee, that mean, any big org can come in a region, buy best player and secure an easy ascension, in short term org might not understand it yet, but in long term, when org will realize T1 is almost free more org will invest into T2.
And to be honest I kinda like T2 having a sense of amateurism, if it's the case that make ascention almost accessible for every high immo player and his friend. And let's be honest, in Europe we have a lot of mid tier org that is perfect for the current not expansive T2 system
Because even in LoL havin one NA league with 12 team were not viable, and the first 2 year they were not enough talent for one unique league, BR had only LOUD that was competitive for exemple. Nobody can name any successful BR team beside LOUD (And VKS, but it was kinda LOUD hcore), same for Latam beside KRU and LEV
2021 :
Lets be honest, go back in 2021-2022, it's impossible to make a full region for SA, and even for NA I'm not that sure it's possible (especially while they are a huge crisis in NA LoL)
When you say VCT you mean T1 ? CIS will never have a T1 region for demographic region, but when the war is over they will definitly have a T2. If we talk about T2 I wouldnt be surprised if we have a 8th league this year to make the format easier (It can easer be CIS because this is a mess, Subsaharia, or officially split LNA and GCCI) because it will be easier for the format to have 8 region.
But yeat ATM I kinda agree that it's not possible to create another T1 region, as I say in my video it's dead for Americas, even for Korea i'm not convinced, 3 team seems ok for the moment, especially if none of them reach T1 threw ascention. I think the only short term solution in like... 2027, would be to make an "Undevelopped PC region T1 league", with MENA, Subsaharia and India, 3 team each doesnt sound that impossible, but doing that would be bad because they would stop to play good T1 team on stage.
I think an expansion to 16 team sounds more realistic, and il be the subject of my next vid
I hope one of this 2 team get ascended but lets be honnest :
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