forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't Tenz and his team struggle to compete after 2021 all the way up until 2024. I might have remember things wrong though its been a while.
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forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't Tenz and his team struggle to compete after 2021 all the way up until 2024. I might have remember things wrong though its been a while.
completely fair they're my second fav team I hope they do well as well
been saying that they've been underrated for a while glad people recently started putting them as a top tier team
he's top 2 between him and chronicle. And that depends on whether you value team success or individual performance more imo. Honestly the upcoming champs could play a huge part in whether Aspas or Chronicle is better.
icy, not even a question. People call him Tier 2 but the impact he provides for the team is invaluable even if it doesn't show up in the stat sheet.
when I'm in a hating aspas competition and my opponents are chrlxz, trembolona, and kanyefan 😱
yeah i can agree with that. Chronicle had more consistent and overall better performance. Sacy mostly peaked in 2022 Champs and while he still was a pretty good player after, he wasn't as good.
Lev, after that any teams that's not from Americas of EMEA
Vitality was a rare game from him, anyone knows that when he frags out like that the other team doesn't have a chance. Only problem is he does that once in a blue moon
he's improved, but he still has some of the worst aim out of all the igls
Honestly it depends. I feel once your team is so stacked with firepower already like fnatic, an igl who can't shoot as well, but calls really well is favored over an igl who shoots well, but can't call as good. Of course if boaster could shoot as well as he igls than Fnatic would be unstoppable, but that's besides the point.
I agree with half of what you said. Zekkens op has not been getting better lol.
I think he's better than sacy as well, especially individually. But not enough people talk about Sacy especially with how much he's achieved. They think the gap between him and Chronicle is infinitely large when they are both stellar supports with a similar level of achievements. Chronicle is better and more consistent, but more love needs to be given to Sacy as he is one of the greats.
yeah cause that's the overall narrative and what like half these people are saying in this thread. Chronicle carries his team to victories while Sacy gets carried. It's honestly wrong, but there's nothing I can do about it.
The real question to ask is if acend was the most accomplished team in 2021. And I would say yes they were. Results are the only thing that matter when it comes to success at the end of the day.
Sacy did his role well and saved Sen with his clutches in Madrid and was insane in Champs 2022. Where did this narrative come from that Sacy always gets carried to tournament wins? And Chronicle was never the second option or above in any tournament he won besides the one he won with Gambit (where he was the second option behind nats). He does his role extremely well, but he is not carrying Fnatic.
not to mention a good ol theme song that they make specifically for Champs every year
In Madrid, Sacy did his role and while he wasn't the 1st or 2nd option there have been majors that Chronicle has won where the same applies for him as well. I think you mean Loud 2022 by the way cause that was when they won Champs. And in that run, Sacy was putting up performances as insane as everyone else on the team. Just like Chronicle, he had insane performances in an already stacked team. Literally anyone on that team could have won the MVP. Around that time he was also seen as one of the best initiators in the world. I think you might need a refresher about Loud 2022 run, cause you are clearly underrating how much of an impact Sacy had in those games.
no one counts lock in as a major and it shouldn't be treated as such
I agree. The moose needs to be let loose.
Here's my completely unbiased take that totally makes complete sense:
90% Lev wins the grand final
50% Lev wins the grand final
10% Lev wins the grand final
in terms of achievements, who do you think wins?
? Chronicle has never been regarded as the carry/best player of his team. He can have ocasionally pop off performances and top the leader board, but sacy has done that in his stint at loud as well. I guess Chronicle is most consistent with those performances overall though.
Your point about consistency makes complete sense. Even without proof of consistency, I already believe that Chronicle clears Sacy as an overall player just from how good he is every time I've seen him play ever since he was on Gambit. Compared to Sacy who performed amazing in 2023 Champions, but didn't perform as well in other tournaments. This thread was more to bring more attention towards Sacy's achievements as they are not talked about nearly enough as Chronicle's.
Imo there are no other team achievements besides winning the tournament. Or at least the impact of those placements should be very low. That's just the way it is in every sport. Just as an example, no one congratulates Lebron for making so many finals in a row (in fact, they use his final losses to show he's not great which I don't agree with either). I guess it can show consistency, but yeah, second place is almost never talked about as team success due to how big of a gap there is between first and second place. Chronicle a hundred percent clears Sacy individually, however, legacy wise I think you can argue either way. Personally, I lean towards sacy because of the importance of Champs. Regardless, Chronicle is still the better player overall and this thread was just trying to show that Sacy should be talked about more as a great player.
c0m is a great secondary caller though although I do agree the increase in firepower would be noticeable. Guess it depends on how lev perform in Champs.
he was good only reason I would say he was worse overall at the duelist role (even jett) than zekken was due to the fact that he wasn't comfortable at entrying for his team.
then he's not the better jett. To be a good jett you need to be able to entry well and Tenz has stated multiple times that he doesn't feel comfortable doing so while zekken has shown that he can without a problem.
no doubt mr. aura himself will drop over 200 kills
Yeah I do agree that he played the biggest role as the second best player in the 2021 run (behind nats), but as you said, the competition back then was super low
don't think people realize bro had one of the worst maps of his career + another bad map and stil dropped 90
G2 have hidden aura. The opposition thinks they are safe, but when the match starts.... they already know they've lost 😈
People will get mad at you, but I agree. If lev don't get their act cleaned up they're not going to place in the top 4.
If the entire Lev team shows up (honestly a big if) this game is going to 5 maps
did you just say sayf? A guy who only plays duelists?
I'm not saying I agree if anything I think most people place too much of an emphasis on trophies but I digress + that doesn't apply to Sacy who played insane when Loud won and good when Sen won
They still played well enough + both those players contribute with their calling especially kingg who's their igl.
He basically plays whatever the fuck his team needs him to. Definition of a flex player.
lets give props to the overall best player in the series Mazino. Bro showed up on all 5 maps. His impact was huge this series.
no it's completely different. If you don't have an instant get away on op it's usually not worth it. There's a reason basically no team does it.
7/8
Comment might seem normal at first, but has diction that makes it seem like Tenz isn't as good of a player anymore (with the use of the term "downgraded" and "tragic"). Not a bad bait, keep it up buddy, you're doing numbers out here.
why is it the same 4 people baiting? Don't they have anything better to do?
I've seen enough send Turtle Troop to Champs instead of Sen
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