EMEA is a top tier region and this tournament is just another showing of that.

I expect nothing less from arguably the best region in Valorant overall.

Americas is bad too when did I say we aren't?

Americas is in the same boat if not worse imo

I can just imagine the threads when we win 10 years from now

Of course they can be happy and talk shit. But people saying this is = to masters when there are so many things that show that is not the case because 2 EMEA teams are in the finals is crazy.

Yeah I get what you mean all the EMEA fans saying they are the best after breaking their 2 year losing streak by winning an off season tournament does feel like an emotional response

Lev and EG bro trust 💀

all regions act similar to that when they win

Americas and EMEA act the worst though

On a real note, big ups for TH. Was sad they played like shit in Toronto but they finally look good again. Would be absolute cinema is Miniboo carries TH to a victory in the gf.

Also, I'm just saying EMEA is in the contention for most condescending. I thought it was Americas, but EMEA are giving them a run for their money.

Teams are stacked + prize pool makes this tournament enjoyable to watch but everything else makes it not as important as masters/champs.

And pretending like teams didnt try their ass of to win is so dumb loool.

Please let me know when I said this.

I mean all of Americas have cracked tier 2 talent, but obviously they are all unproven. And every region has that cracked tier 2 talent. It isn't looking too good rn with the players we currently have available right now, but it would be hilarious if Americas won Champs anyways.

Americas is horrible when did I say they weren't? In my opinion they are just as condescending as EMEA, like EMEA hasn't win anything in 2 years but Americas hasn't won in 1.5. They need to realize they haven't been a top region for a while. At least EMEA has prospects for the future lol.

yeah, they're horrible when did I say they weren't? This isn't about regions this is about the tournament itself being bad.

i mean they make it back in 2-3 months. It's a lot of money but a lot of money + the prestige of winning a masters trophy is much greater motivation for the players. in reality the 250k gap between masters and ewc doesn't make that big of a difference for the players (it's still more money, but per player the amount isn't huge), but no one cares about winning the ewc trophy while people care about winning for the masters.

No I treat all regions equally, I just think they deserve to be humbled a little bit no? Saying they're better than apac off a mickey mouse is crazy work.

it was never about prize pool dummy

you know many players can get tournament winnings in a few months right (100k) and that's assuming the org doesn't take any of the money. When prize pool is the only incentive to win, the tournament is mickey mouse by definition.

I mean one win in a mickey mouse tournament and they're feeling like this? Like they are better than everyone else? I just know for a fact they are going to bomb out in a tournament that actually matters (Champs). Just can't believe they need to be humbled after winning a Mickey Mouse tournament.

i've been waiting for you goat

doesn't change the fact that they couldn't win in 2 years and could only do so win the tournament status is questionable at best

format? horrible.
schedule? horrible.
production? horrible.

this tournament is by def mickey mouse

i mean i'm just looking at the tournament itself, like the format, production, schedule, etc. imo is the most fair way to judge it

ewc is mickey mouse and one tournament win in 2 years doesn't mean your region is on top no?

No one thinks that emea isn't competitive, but for people who use this tournament to say that emea clears other regions are either rage baiting or just dumb

nah, but if they do this in champs then yeah

tournament with bad everything but prizepool and people trying to make it seem like it's worth anything at all

no argument?

i'm ignoring everything else and just think the tournament itself is mickey, but if that's your only argument that's not a good look bro...

and yes the main reason players are trying to win is to win the trophy and the prestige that comes with it not for the prize pool. For a lot of teams at least. 100k per player sounds a lot and it is but many teams make that in a few months. And that's not even considering the fact that orgs take some of the winning money as well.

as if lev were ever contenders lol, it's not about the teams i'm rooting for it's about the tournament itself being mickey😂

because it's never the main reason why a player wants to win champs. They win champs because they want to win the champs trophy and for the prestige, there is none of that for ewc.

Also didn't meniton that they are playing on old meta and g2 were playing with a coach, but yeah it's Mickey

doesn't matter, only incentive to win is prize pool, qualifiers is online, after that it's only BO1's besides group stage (imo the only argument as to why madrid or lock in is mickey), and there is a fucking consolation final like what even is that lmaoooo

idrc who wins tbh but this tournament is the defintion of mickey mouse

only valid reason is prize pool, but when that's your only reason to win then by defintion it becomes mickey

I only think ewc is

genuinely, I have never though of Madrid or Lock In as Mickey

just get let the people know that this is a disneyworld tournament

Whatever region that is currently most likely to win this tournament is going to stake their life on saying EWC isn't Mickey Mouse and the other regions are going to say it isn't. I think it's Mickey as fuck and will always be of that opinion but it's kinda funny seeing people so desperate to push their agenda. Now it would be even more funny if EMEA do allat and still lose they Mickey Mouse tournament...

You are telling me that no matter the winner, all 500k gets sent to the players for all orgs? Source?

I think so, but the split between players and org depends on well, the org. And that does vary from org to org.

To be honest, the incentive is not even between teams. Money is given to the orgs and the orgs can decide what share they are giving to the players. If an org takes like 90 percent of the money the players are essentially playing for less than a month salary (might be hyperbole but you get the point). In my opinion, for a tournament to be considered to be actually important, it needs to have another incentive besides money.

Nah EMEA feeling too nice off an off season tournament

Wait so was he the problem or the solution? Feels like vlr switches up every 2 seconds on this.

EMEA in off-season tournaments are actually different

Bro named the only decent reason first and made the rest of the list ragebait

It's an off season tournament, prize pool might be similar, but it's prestige is no where close to a masters of champs. When the only incentive to win is prize pool, the tournament by default is pretty mickey.

Only against NRG

T1 Autumn

Valorant's level of play has been increasing ever year, but the biggest jump imo was from 2021 to 2022. Thus, I would say 2020-2021 is what would be considered the "plumber era".

Wolves flair is cool too

And why is it Lev?

I mean I really like wolves, so I do hope they start looking better soon. It's probably just a slow start just like how they had a slow start in Toronto.

Let's not act like wolves are looking good rn, FPX steamrolled them

lev is winning this match

c0m won't allow that to happen

Americas don't need to worry EG and Lev will bring champs home

yeah, I don't agree with him saying TL was meh because it looked like they weren't prepared when TL was forced in a situation where it was impossible for them to properly prep in the first place