yay/tenz | VLR.gg

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you really can't compare lol

-yay barely plays Jett

if u guys are watching, yay 75% awp. he barely rifles and mostly saves if 2 players are dead
-victor is an entry so yay don't have to worry

-tenz plays raze/jett but for some rez people still think tenz has no agent pool

wants to play chamber but shazam says no
main entry for the team

IMO el diablo is still the best but tenz is just so close, also it really doesn't feel like tenz gets team support with utility unlike yay

remember when yay was in the andbox and felt like he had to do everything by himself. samething with tenz at this moment

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rare w from mr. facts, they currently play different roles and their teams are poral opposites right now. Most people spend time criticizing sentinels work ethic, comps, teamwork, etc, and admire optic's style, and rightly so, but then compare yay and tenz as if their performances exist in a vacuum and aren't completely dependent on their teams to set them up and help them

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u also forgot the discipline and game awareness btw these 2

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yay is undoubtedly a better player in that regard. But the thing is TenZ kinda has to do stupid stuff for SEN to even have a chance just the Breeze game against LG is the biggest example. I dont think tenz can do what yay does if he is put in that role but the same goes for yay i dont think he would be able to do much better than tenz if he was on SEN playing that role.

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yay wins but tenz had pretty good game awareness during Iceland stage 1 idk whats happening since then

either he just overthinking

honestly, like yay/victor said chet helps them a lot

coach might be a problem

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agreed. he needs a coach or a good IGL to sit him down and tell him when he needs to slow down. cause no matter what people say tenz is an insane talent that still hasn't reached his peak yet. I wanna see him on a team where it doesnt feel like he has to do everything to win.

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I feel like tenz would be a good fit on T1 steel can help him the same way steel has helped a lot of NA pros.

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true maybe t1 and sen should swap curry for tenz and rawkass

oh wait...

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you just can't really do the whole tenz go kill strat anymore, in iceland tenz had an incredible performance the likes of which nobody will ever see again, and now he can't quite carry in the same way. they are both incredible players still but you cant really compare them anymore because thier roles are just so different

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rawkus says "go kill everyone" >_<

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Yay is above and beyond TenZ. The two should not be compared. I watched both their playstyles and TenZ is absolutely reckless.

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Yay isn't beyond compare. If you look at Masters 2 of last year; TenZ was on a level no one has been at since. Granted, the game was younger and the sample was small relative to other LANs, but the ceiling he showed is simply the best performance in Valorant history.

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When valorant was still at its newest with no teams having as much set plays, traps compared to now. it's insane how context matters. Look at tenz after SEN won masters. They completely fell off so did tenz and he often gets shitted on by util unlike players like yay who can find smallest gap to his advantage.

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I added that exact caveat to my previous comment my dude.

Also TenZ still looks really good more often than not (especially on Jett), he had a middling to bad performance at champions but that's about it.

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He had mid performance during masters berlin so...

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he didn't, he was like top 3 or something like that in acs, he had one horrible elim map against NV but that's about it

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That means he underperformed when it mattered the most

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his tournament was still really really good tho

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wardell > yay and tenz combined.

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yay shits on tenz every day of the week

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ogking

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not only yay is the better player but also is a better rifler and a better OPer

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factsonly

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u didn't even read shit and out here talking

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ogking

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too bad tenz is no where near close yay

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maybe fear inducing wise, yay is scarier, but TenZ is the better player in general, he just doesn't fit with SEN. HIs playstyle is so much more different than them it limits Tenz from his full potential.

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Tenz has never been better than yay ever since masters berlin.

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what are we talking about? Consistency?Fragging?Impact?Trophies?aim?
Never said Yay was a bad player, but TenZ ovr all is better, it's SEN that drags him down

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It's so fkin stupid to compare the two. Not saying either of the roles are easy but TenZ has to take a lot of 50/50 hence he dies a lot too.

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Tenz is the guy and yay is the girl in the "dubai porta potty" video

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u cant just say yay is better in the present scenario as optic has it form going on lmao
u see the stats of yay and tenz, tenz has an overwhelming lead into it
i agree sen is bit strugling but tenz hast struggled yet dude

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Nah it's pretty much 'if tenz performs sen win'
When he has a bad game things fall apart

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ogking

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He is better, no matter how much you like. he's more flexible and not only that he's better in everyway possible even Tenz rifling is not as good Yay's

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Tenz who ?

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W, yay is supported way better by his teammates, tenz just has to kill everyone for them to win.

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Name checks out

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true af

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in my opinion, yay is just the better payer, however, you can't really compare the two as they play completely different, mostly different agents. for the things we can compare though, yay is probably the better opper, and at least in his ranked games, it looks like is using aimbot with the vandal, so i personally think yay is just way better than tenz but thats not saying at all that tenz isnt good, still one of the best in NA and absolutely insane player but i think yay is just way better

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also tenz has team issues. SEN players are good, but they dont play like a team, watching them is like watching them play a ranked game. they don't have good enough teamwork or coordinated plays like optic does. yay always has a kayo or skye in his pocket to flash them and get the free kills. that is probs why SEN has been losing lately

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In my opinion and from what other pros have said, yay is a harder opponent to play against which is why everyone rates him so high, fear factor is part of the El Diablo name.

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Name checks out

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Really can't compare since yay is away above that 1 trick marchant's league

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for me yay is better but in order to compare we have to clone optic players and let tenz play with them

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He will ruin the team synergy

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He is like Ronaldo,will score goals but fuck up team in return

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messi > ronaldo

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Factos

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i wonder why the so called world's best player wasnt even nominated for best ligue 1 player.

#49

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I wonder why every team after Madrid that Ronaldo joined became shit after he joined. RIP Juve and Dybala and now MU and Bruno :skull: x7

#52

Tanzim

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i wonder why psg became shit. First lost the easiest t1 league ( ligue 1) to lille then out of champions league in round of 16. They were good with neymar and mbappe. As soon as messi joined the team became trash.

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W factsonly

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Yay is clearly on the better team and the better player in terms of fundamentals, TenZ has to basically hard carry Sentinels to even have a chance to win and needs to take way more risks and still succeeds, plus he has a hot gf so I think TenZ wins this here

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I cannot believe how far SEN has fallen to be compared to old ABX LOL ur not wrong tho. It feels like from the outside looking in, there's a huge disconnect from whoever SHaz/rawkus on the read of the meta and not just comps, but how their mid rounding is called just feel so outdated and readable. Overall a team diff and both amazing individual talents

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