Does SA has a good chance of getting to masters?

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Just wanted to know,coz according to their performance, they are somewhat close to challenging the best SEA teams.

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no, and not because they suck, but there are so many good APAC teams now with TS, PRX, Bleed, X10, DWG, ESC, VS, and others that I am prob missing

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apac has only sea and ocean region teams not kr and jpn

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APAC is SEA+OCE+SA+KR+JP

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NO APAC Challengers doesn't Include JP and KR they also have a separate LCQ as APAC North now
so APAC as 2022 is SEA+SA+OCE only

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its divided in north and south🤦🏻‍♂️

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This year I am not 100% sure although eg had showed great performace but still I wanna see how they performs against sea while both vlt and ge needs to have a coach to improve themselves to sea level, dont worry even if sa teams wont go to masters this year I am 1000% sure they will go in 2023

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hopium

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SKara

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While some may laugh judging by the performace from third party tourneys (eg was saving starts for vcc no way they put excali on skye in split xD) but what I said above is a fact,

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agreed. they play like 2-3 tourneys every month. they have to save strats for the main event. i think they can certainly beat tier 2 sea teams

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fracra

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https://twitter.com/hazedCS/status/1487989173156032516
just leaving this here, only exception was when team secret did it and it actually worked.

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SKara

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Lol I made my point go ask enigma antidote why he didnt let excali pick reyna and rvk on chamber in 3rd party tourneys and why in VCC against ge and vlt, resulting in eg defeating them dominately

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GE and VLT were in terrible form, almost losing to lesser known teams with the likes of god particles & reckoning esports. It's not a surprise EG would defeat them. SEA teams however are just built different, I doubt they have a chance against PRX TS XERXIA etc. rawfiul is looking sharp though, would like to see what he can bring to the table against sea teams.

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Wow you just said ge and vlt were in terrible form thats why godp and rge were able to almost defeat them instead of saying godp and rge did great despite having ge, vlt as their opponents and sea teams not god tiers they just got 1 year extra of experince even your s tier teams like onic/ boom/team secret loses to no namers like actionph/fallen5/LVR. Its no doubt sea>sa but they are still beatable, give us this year and we will see how strong sa really are + this enigma is just better than ge/vlt

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Just by watching the matches I could tell GE was not the same as the GE I saw in the apac lcq. Not trying to discredit god particles & rge however, even a lot of indian fans were talking shit about GE and VLT talking about "remove kappa" "vibhor in". Secondly, I have not seen the likes of onic, boom, or secret lose to aph, fallen5 or lvr. Except for one time in kjc playoffs where lvr beat boom. Heck, even lvr was very well known as I would consider them atleast tier 1.5 back then. I also hope SA and OCE would be able to put up a fight against SEA teams, makes everything a lot more interesting.

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Just by watching I could tell both godp and rge improved + eg were really saving strats for vcc belive it or not but after having excali and yb the executes were so good+look here even though it was morph impact who beat onic g but they were still lesser known team https://play.toornament.com/en_US/tournaments/5217634662805266432/stages/5217635400405712896/

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Excali's addition makes EG India's super team imo except for Rexy. RvK seemed a bit off form. But EG has got yb for coaching. He seems good and Anti also says he has a different point of view. So I would expect EG to improve much more.

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SA to SEA is like OCE to NA

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Nah, Oce would've probably made it through LCQ to Champions. Order and Chiefs both were really good and in form at that time.

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Respectfully, no, not really

EG and TE have been looking pretty good; however, SA has had a history of struggling with T2 SEA teams, let alone true T1 competition. Teams such as Secret, Paper Rex, Xerxia, and ONIC G will be the real competition and, personally, I don't see SA putting up much of a fight against them.

I'd genuinely like to see them take a slot, but tbh I'd give them less than a 5% chance of doing so

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is TODAK t2 or t1? i dont know SEA scene as much

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Todak is definitely a T2 team. They’ve pretty much been on a downward spiral since First Strike and get stomped whenever they play a real T1 team (ie: BOOM, Paper Rex)

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Maybe because we lose hope early?

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Sprouts

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Could definitely be. Is there any chance SA pros have some kind of mental barrier due to ping, similar to the fans? If there is, it could be a similar situation to TSM, where the belief that ping matters a lot is actually worse than the effects of the bad ping itself (obviously on a greater scale though cause 80+ ping is rough no matter what)

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ssw

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Even my self playing on Mumbai server I often see players start to throw or surrender .You just evolve playing the game it's not everyone understands.

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Bo0mShell

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Off topic but any info on KR OQ bracket release? Three days and still not released

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taejuny

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Liquidpedia has a list of the teams if you want to look at the rosters. Don't know about brackets.

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Bo0mShell

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Thank you buddy! That's all I really wanted.

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Not really, every SA team currently gets demolished by SEA

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"they are somewhat close to challenging the best SEA teams" haha when did that even happen?

#18

Slashyiguess

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downvoting for no reason, mfs just can't handle the truth 🤡

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Bo0mShell

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Learn to be a little polite. Everyone is on the same page here but only you got downvoted.
There's a reason

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cheaterr

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but he kinda has a point tho

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Bo0mShell

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That's what I said, everyone knows that and everyone here agrees. But only he got downvoted.
You cannot live the attitude "I am right so I can be rude"

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ItsMeDio

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no
no chance at all
VLT, GE, EG even struggling to compete against t2 SEA teams like Alter Ego, Kingsmen, Action PH, SBE, Bren, etc

and how they would beat teams like XERXIA, FS, TS, PRX, ONIC, & BOOM

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If forsaken comes back then Ofcourse yes otherwise No sorry

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isn't even funny anymore....

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no1xetafan

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Oh yes it is

#11

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fake flagger?

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seems like it.

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OzyMeister

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With current VLT GE lineup not a chance
Enigma has a small chance if APAC Challengers is LAN but still <10%

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yaiima0

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Maybe in the future, as of now they can’t really keep up with SEA teams.

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prolly like a 1% chance they can

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onlyfax

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They need to make apac playoffs on lan maybe in singapore if they can.

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trola

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we need to see their performance against T1 SEA team this year first, only after that we can see their potential.

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Close? Explain GLO-13AL Esport then

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Bo0mShell

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I agree that SA teams don't stand a chance against T1 SEA teams, but what's the point of taking in consideration something that happened more than 3 months ago??
GE is about to become a joke in SA itself if they don't do any changes.

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fatpoipoiiii

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"according to their performance, they are somewhat close"

Using that sentence, i consider their performance. What do u want me to consider then?

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Bo0mShell

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Recent performances which I agree are pretty awful too. Just saying talk recent. Not something that happened 3 months ago.

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fatpoipoiiii

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op didnt said anything about this "recent" performance. I commenting as a whole. My comment are straight facts. U make some remarks, u have to be responsible with that remarks. Have a good day sir

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Bo0mShell

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Definitely not Master 1. For Masters 2, depends what changes they make before VCC 2. If we see them try new things during VCC 2 I don't think we would see them in Masters.
Probably through LCQ

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No

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Shteam

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yep. close. Vivo keyd made Acend lost 1 game in champions.

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SA here refers to the subcontinent South Asia
not the continent South America

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We should refer South America as LATAM

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Bo0mShell

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Agreed. Where do I sign the petition?

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I thought it was South America

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all g

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jodbe_
Country: India
Registered: February 1, 2022
Last post: February 1, 2022 at 11:28 PM
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Bo0mShell

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11:28PM 2 hours ago means he is not even Indian lol.

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probably got off Bunks stream and made the account

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No SA team is going to quaterfinals also🙏

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utsav

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Ek aur baat ye jodbe_ bkl h dhanyawaad🙏

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Rakur

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kiyomasa . nande nande

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sp3cbro

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No , not this year. Our teams got clapped by SEA teams in Zotac cup;
VLT went down 2 -13 to FS.In such a scenario I don't see SA teams even making it to quarters in APAC playoffs

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Vividogre

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SA needs 2 years of time with a good coach and constant competition with t1 SEA teams to even have a chance to qualify for a Masters.

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can't even out from a group stage

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KEKW

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ssw

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People really post something and say there is really chance man.
Atleast have major shuffle in teams where everyone is confident in every role then maybe we can talk